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UPChicago Dec 23, 2015 4:18 PM

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Originally Posted by untitledreality (Post 7278664)
+1

But really, I would be fine with anyone of these seven other than Adjaye and SHoP.

Any particular reason?

ardecila Dec 23, 2015 6:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Randomguy34 (Post 7278583)
I'm surprised no one here has expressed love for David Adjaye

Nothing against Adjaye, he's a great architect... but he's been the presumed favorite for awhile due (sadly) to his skin color.

I'm glad they are holding a competition - not sure if this is a sham or not, but at least they are giving the appearance that they want to choose the best overall scheme and not just an architect who will give them liberal street cred. (Adjaye could very well have the best design, I would be very happy if he did...)

It's hard to come up with criteria for the design when the U of C still won't say whether they want to use the Washington Park or Jackson Park site, and is requiring the finalists to prepare designs for both.... this unfortunately will encourage the finalists to design an object building that is not linked to its site closely and will stand apart from its surroundings. The stringent NARA security guidelines also don't help. That would be a terrible shame, given Obama's personal focus on building and integrating communities.

Jibba Dec 23, 2015 7:03 PM

I'm surprised to see DS&R on the short list, and I'd be surprised again if they're chosen. Their designs tend to not have the gravitas that this project needs, IMO.

UPChicago Dec 23, 2015 7:59 PM

If anyone is objecting to Adjaye because he is black, come the fuck off it. I'm sure if he wins it will be a reason to discredit his win.

The Lurker Dec 24, 2015 8:46 AM

Stand down. Nobodys racist. I like black buildings every bit as much as white ones

untitledreality Dec 29, 2015 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 7279178)
Any particular reason?

Adjaye's work is too simplistic for my liking, they are not projects which can be revisited and rediscovered, time and time again. I also feel that his track record with large commissions is spotty.

As for SHoP, you just never know what you are going to get. There are plenty of great ideas floating through that massive office of theirs, but since you don't know outright who will lead the design, you cannot know which direction the project will take.

XIII Dec 29, 2015 5:37 PM

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Originally Posted by untitledreality (Post 7282495)
Adjaye's work is too simplistic for my liking, they are not projects which can be revisited and rediscovered, time and time again. I also feel that his track record with large commissions is spotty.

As for SHoP, you just never know what you are going to get. There are plenty of great ideas floating through that massive office of theirs, but since you don't know outright who will lead the design, you cannot know which direction the project will take.

SHoP is tricky, some of their stuff is good, but lots of it looks like sliced minimalism with bigger budgets and more gimmicky tchotch tacked on to the facade.

Love it or hate it, but Adjaye would be a good addition to the Vinoly, Jahn, MAD, Foster, possibly BIG, Gang and (arguably) Stern super group that's coming through in the next few years. He would add to Chicago as a global architecture destination as opposed to just an american one, as well.

LouisVanDerWright Dec 29, 2015 9:31 PM

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Originally Posted by XIII (Post 7282971)

Love it or hate it, but Adjaye would be a good addition to the Vinoly, Jahn, MAD, Foster, possibly BIG, Gang and (arguably) Stern super group that's coming through in the next few years. He would add to Chicago as a global architecture destination as opposed to just an american one, as well.

Man, Chicago is really falling behind the rest of the world when it comes to design isn't it?

RobEss Dec 30, 2015 3:57 AM

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XIII Dec 30, 2015 3:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LouisVanDerWright (Post 7283175)
Man, Chicago is really falling behind the rest of the world when it comes to design isn't it?

Sarcasm? Or referring to architects?

pico44 Jan 19, 2016 8:52 PM

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Originally Posted by UPChicago (Post 7279428)
If anyone is objecting to Adjaye because he is black, come the fuck off it. I'm sure if he wins it will be a reason to discredit his win.


:rolleyes:

Tom Servo Jan 19, 2016 9:52 PM

This forum never stops amazing me. Everyone's dismissal of David Adjaye is frankly disheartening. I realize he's no Adrian Smith or whatever goofy skyscraper architecture you guys are all into, but come on. The Sugar Hill Housong Project in Harlem is one of the best buildings in New York. He's also the genius behind the new African American Art museum in DC, which I've only seen pictures of but looks like another grand slam.

We'd be so lucky to get an Adjaye designed Presidential Library. Don't be absurd guys.

:koko:

http://static.dezeen.com/uploads/201...d-Adjaye_3.jpg
dezeen

http://www.adjaye.com/site/assets/fi..._project_1.jpg
adjaye

bcp Jan 19, 2016 9:58 PM

who gives a crap what skin color the architect has...but damn, shouldn't these things only go to Americans?

ardecila Jan 20, 2016 12:00 AM

^ That. Sadly, the architectural profession has strikingly few African-Americans, and virtually none of them have risen to the profession's top tier.

Adjaye is a great architect. But we shouldn't pretend like an Adjaye victory in the Obama competition would be some kind of marquee victory for civil rights.

That being said, Adjaye as an Englishman often pairs up with Phil Freelon, who is a pretty decent African-American architect and strives to hire talented young black designers.

Skyguy_7 Jan 20, 2016 12:01 AM

^^You'd hope so, but don't count on this administration. Are there any Illegal Alien architecture firms? Because I'd bet my money on the library being awarded to them.

All that aside, Adjaye does some pretty cool work.

ardecila Feb 11, 2016 7:20 PM

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Washington Park Has the Edge for Obama Library, Adviser Says
February 11, 2016


On Thursday, Paul Goldberger, former architecture critic for the New Yorker and an adviser to the Obama Foundation, told architecture site Common Edge that Washington Park was a better fit for the library and many of those around Obama recognized that.

“The Washington Park site is the more exciting possibility, because it is the less conventionally ‘presidential’ site,” Goldberger said. “Most of the people close to him feel the same way.”

He [added] both the president and first lady Michelle Obama leaned toward modern and refined designs in architecture.

“They like modern things quite genuinely,” Goldberger said. “They do not want a traditional building. I don’t want to cite any particular architect, for obvious reasons, but there’s a certain kind of, let’s say ‘tailored modernism,’ that they respond best to.”
Interesting. Glad the Washington Park site is favored. Much more opportunity for urban regeneration and transit access.

Also, it sounds like there is at least one or two architects that are the favorites. If I had to guess, Renzo Piano and maybe Williams/Tsien best fit the "tailored modernism" epithet. I would love to see Williams/Tsien land this project, as Renzo Piano has little knowledge of American urbanism specifically and tends to repeat himself while Williams/Tsien are American themselves and develop a different language for every project.

marothisu Feb 11, 2016 7:46 PM

Really glad to hear that the WP site is favored. It has much better transit access and it also is closer to some other interesting projects that Theaster Gates and U of Chicago have been doing the last few years.

Via Chicago Feb 11, 2016 9:16 PM

sorry if ive missed it, but what has Theaster Gates done besides the Stony Island building?

marothisu Feb 11, 2016 9:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Via Chicago (Post 7332739)
sorry if ive missed it, but what has Theaster Gates done besides the Stony Island building?

Damn, I'm disappointed more people on here don't know. He gets the most credit for the Stony Island Arts Bank, but that's definitely not the first thing he's done or possibly the largest. He did the Dorchester Projects which is still ongoing and close to the bank. IMO that's actually cooler than the bank, honestly (but the reading room in real life is pretty impressive there)

All of his sites in Chicago so far (minus a few businesses he opened which I list later):
https://rebuild-foundation.org/sites/

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/08/us/08cncculture.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...111-story.html

He also opened the Currency Exchange Cafe in Washington Park, next to the U of C Arts Incubator. He also just recently opened a book store next to that and I believe there are plans for a music venue:

http://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader...ashington-park
http://southsideweekly.com/gates-to-...shington-park/

Honestly, he's probably my favorite person in the city of Chicago currently. His Washington Park stuff along with the U of C Arts Incubator is semi close to the Washington Park site.

Via Chicago Feb 11, 2016 9:34 PM

Cool, the Dorchester Project rings a bell. Is there any way to visit or is it an appointment only sort of thing?


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