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Besides, the lots associated with those businesses are so small that most customers are already parking on the street, if they arrive by car at all. Many businesses in the area such as Short Leash, Moira, Pomo, Milk Bar, and the Breadfruit don't have any parking lots of their own, yet they seem to be doing well. The possible improvement will come if more customers of those businesses, enticed by all that's going on Downtown, decide to live within walking / bicycling distance of their favorite places, eliminating their need to drive to these destinations and possibly even their desire to own cars in the first place. Finally, it astonishes me that someone in a forum devoted to urban development thinks that it's automatically bad to have more cars than spaces. In fact, that's often a sign of a successful urban neighborhood worth visiting. It's a long read, but I strongly suggest Donald Shoup's "the High Cost of Free Parking" for a good explanation of some of these concepts. |
I wouldn't think it is a bad move to build a tower with a light amount of parking if this were Chicago, NYC, etc. but as a phoenix native who has been downtown for well over a decade, I know that people around here have cars and the reality is there needs to be a place to keep them. The people visiting them have cars and their vendors have cars.
For the sake of this conversation I'm trying to distinguish between what I'd ultimately enjoy seeing (a neighborhood full of walkers, cyclists, and no need for much parking) and the reality of what the city's inhabitants will require (a place to put their car). What you're describing is this ideal world that doesn't yet exist and is probably a number of years away from even being possible. Anyway, I'm just parroting what the guys in the neighborhood are complaining about, 99% of the thoughts I've shared in this thread aren't my own opinions I'm just providing some insight to those who I know are interested in knowing why things are at a stand still. Finally, it astonishes me that someone in a forum devoted to urban development is so willing to turn a blind eye to the worry that is in the mind of the local business owners who were pioneers in the neighborhood and helped sculpt it into what it is today. Losing a patio for two years that represents approx. 40% of the capacity of a business is potentially fatal to the business and it's chalked up to a "casualty" because everyone wants to see a crane in the sky. Hard to take a side on this one. |
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Patios are a completely separate issue. As I said earlier, that may be a legitimate concern. |
Shifting from the issue of parking, on which biggus & I will most likely never agree, to patios, I have a question:
Is there some safety concern that will require closure of the Angels Trumpet patio during construction, or is there simply a perception that customers won't want to be on the patio if there's construction next door? Personally, I'd love to sit on that patio enjoying a beer and some brisket while cheering the crane. |
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Went by Derby and it looks like the lot has been gravel-filled and they appear to be preparing to rebuild the sidewalks. I'm wondering if this means Derby is on hold or cancelled due to the lawsuit?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they wouldn't be building sidewalks first before building a highrise, right? :shrug: |
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Then again, I think we've I'll learned here, some of the developers are less than genius and don't often make the best decisions. |
Gravel fill is not abnormal, it's often compacted into the dirt to create a more stable platform. I expect to next see drilling, remember there's not going to be a below grade floor in this building.
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The project is on hold. It's not dead, but work won't be moving forward right now. Maybe in a couple months.
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Unless this is just your opinion. |
Exactly, what's your source? Because it doesn't match what my sources say, and they're pretty damn good on this topic.
Not that I'm one to argue with Dale and Brennan, especially when the past information posted by this user has been spot on. |
The fence has been removed and the section of paved alley as well as the sidewalks they tore up have been replaced, this is consistent with a scrapped project and aligns with the city's requirements to put it back as they found it.
Word is the numbers don't work with no GPLET and it looks like the GPLET program is about to see a serious change in policy. I consider this one dead unless something crazy happens. Prestige Worldwide is obviously on top of things. |
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Wonder what this means for Circles project and if the fear of another lawsuit over GPLET use signals its doom and demo. |
My guess is it will have a trickle-down effect on high rise development, building with sticks at a maximum height of 5 floors is still fairly inexpensive.
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Sad to think some people will consider retaining dirt lots as "preserving the character" of Roosevelt Row and a victory overall. This is such a backwards mentality to have in a booming time like this.
I don't want to be a Debby-downer, but I hope this won't prevent any further high-rise developments. |
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