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Cirrus Mar 30, 2011 8:27 PM

I found this list of RTD light rail stations ranked by average weekday ridership and figured y'all might like to see it.

It's from 2007, so a little dated, but whatev.

Code:

Rank        Station Name                Total       
1        16th Street Stns        17527
2        Colfax at Auraria        14117         
3        I-25 & Broadway        12017
4        18th Street Stns        7123       
5        Englewood                5831       
6        Nine Mile                5722       
7        Littleton/Mineral        5611       
8        Alameda                5473
9        Colorado                4602
10        Southmoor                4585
11        Union Station                4173
12        Lincoln                4075
13        Convention Center        3827       
14        University of Denver        3799
15        Littleton/Downtown        3574
16        30th & Downing                3574
17        10th & Osage                3364
18        Arapahoe Village Cntr        2664
19        Dry Creek                2146
20        Evans                        1912
21        Belleview                1711
22        Yale                        1383
23        Orchard                1250
24        25th & Welton                1242
25        Oxford-City of Sheridan 1196
26        Louisiana-Pearl        1187
27        Auraria West                1124
28        Dayton                        1116
29        County Line                1066
30        Pepsi Center/Elitch’s        936
31        20th & Welton                924
32        27th & Welton                907
33        29th & Welton                635
34        Invesco Mile High        498
       
        Total:                        130891


glowrock Mar 30, 2011 9:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cirrus (Post 5222275)
I found this list of RTD light rail stations ranked by average weekday ridership and figured y'all might like to see it.

It's from 2007, so a little dated, but whatev.

Code:

Rank    Station Name        Total   
1    16th Street Stns    17527
2    Colfax at Auraria    14117     
3    I-25 & Broadway    12017
4    18th Street Stns    7123   
5    Englewood        5831   
6    Nine Mile        5722   
7    Littleton/Mineral    5611   
8    Alameda        5473
9    Colorado        4602
10    Southmoor        4585
11    Union Station        4173
12    Lincoln        4075
13    Convention Center    3827   
14    University of Denver    3799
15    Littleton/Downtown    3574
16    30th & Downing        3574
17    10th & Osage        3364
18    Arapahoe Village Cntr    2664
19    Dry Creek        2146
20    Evans            1912
21    Belleview        1711
22    Yale            1383
23    Orchard        1250
24    25th & Welton        1242
25    Oxford-City of Sheridan 1196
26    Louisiana-Pearl    1187
27    Auraria West        1124
28    Dayton            1116
29    County Line        1066
30    Pepsi Center/Elitch’s    936
31    20th & Welton        924
32    27th & Welton        907
33    29th & Welton        635
34    Invesco Mile High    498
   
    Total:            130891


Plus I'm willing to bet that the majority of the Alameda numbers are simply people wanting to use I-25/Broadway but find no available parking...

No question, the Mile High and Pepsi Center/Elitch's stations are dead for much of the year, but special events turn them into some of the busiest stations at any given moment in time...

Also, I'd bet that the County Line Station is now substantially more heavily used as a result of the bridge connecting it to Park Meadows...


Aaron (Glowrock)

CharlesCO Mar 31, 2011 9:10 AM

Question: who uses the Nine Mile station? I always thought it was a dead station just acting as a placeholder until the H line will eventually be extended to connect with the East line to the airport. But that data suggests that it's almost as busy as the Englewood station. Who uses it? Doesn't it have reduced frequencies, too?

glowrock Mar 31, 2011 1:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesCO (Post 5223070)
Question: who uses the Nine Mile station? I always thought it was a dead station just acting as a placeholder until the H line will eventually be extended to connect with the East line to the airport. But that data suggests that it's almost as busy as the Englewood station. Who uses it? Doesn't it have reduced frequencies, too?

Tons of people use that station, CharlesCO. Especially all those people in the SE metro area that commute into downtown or the Tech Center. I used to ride that stretch of LRT quite often when I lived in SE Aurora...

Aaron (Glowrock)

taylor23 Mar 31, 2011 2:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesCO (Post 5223070)
Question: who uses the Nine Mile station? I always thought it was a dead station just acting as a placeholder until the H line will eventually be extended to connect with the East line to the airport. But that data suggests that it's almost as busy as the Englewood station. Who uses it? Doesn't it have reduced frequencies, too?

I have used it a few times and always felt fortunate to find a parking spot. It is a busy station and is why I thing the Illiff extension is a good idea.

trubador Mar 31, 2011 9:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taylor23 (Post 5223210)
I have used it a few times and always felt fortunate to find a parking spot. It is a busy station and is why I thing the Illiff extension is a good idea.

is there going to be a garage and/or more parking on Illiff?

CharlesCO Mar 31, 2011 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glowrock (Post 5223172)
Tons of people use that station, CharlesCO. Especially all those people in the SE metro area that commute into downtown or the Tech Center. I used to ride that stretch of LRT quite often when I lived in SE Aurora...

Aaron (Glowrock)

Thanks for the info. I guess it's just far busier than I thought and serves a bigger population.

Quote:

Originally Posted by taylor23 (Post 5223210)
I have used it a few times and always felt fortunate to find a parking spot. It is a busy station and is why I thing the Illiff extension is a good idea.

When does the Iliff station open? Is it opening before the rest of the H line all the way to Peoria and the East Line CRT?

bunt_q Mar 31, 2011 11:03 PM

Iliff can get done now with the $300m RTD has "left over" from Fastracks I. Not sure the timeline, but it's a while off.

What happens after that is still an unknown... and election-dependent.

Wizened Variations Apr 1, 2011 1:21 AM

With comments
 
Cheated here...quoted comment
Thanks you, Cirrus

1 16th Street Stns 17527 <-morning and evening commuters
2 Colfax at Auraria 14117 <-college and buses)
3 I-25 & Broadway 12017 <-not too much parking, mostly switching
to 'other line' and buses.
4 18th Street Stns 7123 <-closer to where I work
5 Englewood 5831 <-kids meet there, a lot of parking, quite a
few buses stop there.
6 Nine Mile 5722 <-Parker Road, Smoky Hill, wish Fastracks
would have gone their way
7 Littleton/Mineral 5611 <-surprising how many commuters come from
West of the South Platte.
8 Alameda 5473 <-Broadway Station North
9 Colorado 4602 <-interconnetions with local business and the
mighty 40 bus.
10 Southmoor 4585 <-a fairly dense, knowledgable community
east and south east.
11 Union Station 4173 <-lots of teens and 20s hang out between
light rail station and 16th when it is warm.
Shortcut to the Boulder buses. Business
commuters that work the north end of
16th.

12 Lincoln 4075 <commuters to downtown! who wish the
rail was longer and faster

13 Convention Center 3827 <special events and close by commuters
14 University of Denver 3799 <best way to cheaper housing
15 Littleton/Downtown 3574 <synergy from ACC and local commuters
16 30th & Downing 3574 <end of the line for now-catch local
buses to the north
17 10th & Osage 3364 <lots of teenagers, commuters within
a 2 km radius or so, not too many
"whoops I picked the wrong train"
types yet
18 Arapahoe Village Cntr 2664 <-major bus feeder
19 Dry Creek 2146 <-commuters to, and, downtown
commuters
20 Evans 1912 <-lots of college kids, blue collar
commuters
21 Belleview 1711 <-the bridge is not too long, so there
are some downtown commuters
22 Yale 1383 <-local residents to downtown and
Colorado
23 Orchard 1250 <-very tiring place to commute from
24 25th & Welton 1242 <-gentrified commuters and locals
25 Oxford-City of Sheridan 1196 <-local business north of Oxford, some
commuters to DSU and downtown
26 Louisiana-Pearl 1187 <-blue collar and teenagers
27 Auraria West 1124 <-only college kids and a few
professors
28 Dayton 1116 <-full of potential, a long way off
29 County Line 1066 <-the mall is close by :)

CharlesCO Apr 1, 2011 2:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunt_q (Post 5224117)
Iliff can get done now with the $300m RTD has "left over" from Fastracks I. Not sure the timeline, but it's a while off.

What happens after that is still an unknown... and election-dependent.

Oh right...I keep forgetting that the extension to Peoria is not a done deal...though I have confidence in Denver's increasingly left-leaning voters in 2012.

dmintz Apr 3, 2011 4:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnyderBock (Post 5211929)
The initial ridership doesn't warrant double track from federal Center to Jefco Court. However, the ROW is fully being constructed for double track. It will simply be a matter of laying down a second track at some point in the future, when the demand warrants it. meanwhile, it helps save a nice amount of funding, to help the other corridors out some.

Can you imagine if highways such as 225 and 470 were built according to demand, rather than the highways themselves creating demand? i still can't believe RTD couldn't get the west line all the way into downtown golden, the one area along the line with enough density to support anything other than a park-n-ride.

bunt_q Apr 3, 2011 6:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmintz (Post 5226873)
Can you imagine if highways such as 225 and 470 were built according to demand, rather than the highways themselves creating demand?

Umm, they are.

dmintz Apr 3, 2011 5:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bunt_q (Post 5226941)
Umm, they are.

470 was built long before highlands ranch even existed. highways drive development, not the other way around. transit, unfortunately is held to a different standard.

SnyderBock Apr 3, 2011 7:31 PM

They built 470 as only a 4-lane highway. It needs to be a 6-lane highway. It didn't need to be a 6-lane highway 20 years ago. they saved money back then, by only building it 4-lanes. Now they have to make it 6-lanes. The West Corridor is 2-tracks 90% of the way, all the way to Federal center. It doesn't need to be 2-track from federal to Jefco, because ridership numbers showed only slightly increased ridership from frequency increase under 15min. Therefor, a cash tight budget can save a nice amount of funds and only build this stretch 1-track. It is designed to be 2-track; simply to be upgraded in future. There is nothing wrong with this, your complaints are unwarranted.

dmintz Apr 3, 2011 8:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnyderBock (Post 5227313)
They built 470 as only a 4-lane highway. It needs to be a 6-lane highway. It didn't need to be a 6-lane highway 20 years ago. they saved money back then, by only building it 4-lanes. Now they have to make it 6-lanes. The West Corridor is 2-tracks 90% of the way, all the way to Federal center. It doesn't need to be 2-track from federal to Jefco, because ridership numbers showed only slightly increased ridership from frequency increase under 15min. Therefor, a cash tight budget can save a nice amount of funds and only build this stretch 1-track. It is designed to be 2-track; simply to be upgraded in future. There is nothing wrong with this, your complaints are unwarranted.

I don't care so much whether the track is 1 or 2 lanes. but can you imagine if route 6 had stopped at the fed center instead of going all the way into golden because some study said not enough people would use it when it was originally built?

SnyderBock Apr 4, 2011 10:04 AM

I can imagine today, if hwy 6 was being built for the first time, the residents of Golden would heavily oppose it going into Golden. There is opposition against light rail going into downtown Golden, because people claim it is already too congested with highways. I'm sure, the light rail will eventually be extended by a station, further into Golden. The Gold line EMU is also designed to one day be extended into downtown Golden via Coors Brewery. Whereas the West light rail line would be extended down from Jefco Court to a station near the south end of downtown Golden or possibly the Colorado School of Mines area.

bcp Apr 4, 2011 2:32 PM

it just seems to me that it would make WAY more sense to have the end of the line for the west line be somewhere near Red Rocks Amphitheatre...huge ridership in the summer and much less drunk driving / hassle.

Cirrus Apr 4, 2011 2:48 PM

dmintz is right on this one. 470 created its own congestion.

The Dirt Apr 4, 2011 4:01 PM

Weird. I really thought that there was consensus about this issue on these boards. I mean, all kinds of transportation expansion causes growth. Whereas highways promote auto-oriented sprawl and expand by widening, rail transit promotes dense areas around stations, and expand by increasing frequency and possibly station lengths/number of train cars.

Brainpathology Apr 4, 2011 4:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dirt (Post 5228106)
Weird. I really thought that there was consensus about this issue on these boards. I mean, all kinds of transportation expansion causes growth. Whereas highways promote auto-oriented sprawl and expand by widening, rail transit promotes dense areas around stations, and expand by increasing frequency and possibly station lengths/number of train cars.

I thought there was agreement on this too. I do agree with the nitpick that it would be nice if mass transit were built in anticipation of growth more instead of reaction to it. Though the TOD and rezoning around the lines are what make me say "nitpick" instead of something stronger.


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