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ethereal_reality Mar 24, 2021 8:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossC (Post 9227801)
I checked the CDs and found that in 1929, The Freezer had ice cream shops at 3641 W Pico, 7435 Sunset Boulevard, 3801 W Washington Boulevard, 402 S Western Avenue and 1124 Vine Street. The last address is just north of Santa Monica Boulevard. A year later, they were listed as Freezer Sweet Shops at 751 S Alvarado, 3475 Beverly Boulevard, 1881 Colorado Boulevard, 6244 Pasadena Avenue, 3641 W Pico, 7435 Sunset Boulevard, 3801 W Washington Boulevard, 402 S Western Avenue and 1124 N Vine.


Here is the 3641 W. Pico location.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/ByaKfA.jpg
w & p




And there is a survivor in the photograph. (no, not the people)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/bOiWUB.jpg



1257 4th Avenue

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/jjs6Yw.jpg
here.


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odinthor Mar 24, 2021 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9227877)
Here is the 3641 W. Pico location.

[...]

And there is a survivor in the photograph. (no, not the people)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/bOiWUB.jpg



1257 4th Avenue

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/jjs6Yw.jpg
here.


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And possibly another survivor, just possibly, is the palm at center below (if it has had a hard life and has grown rather slowly, not at all unlikely):

https://i.postimg.cc/RZB815k1/PicoPalm.jpg
gsv

Sakhal Nakhash Mar 25, 2021 8:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9228072)
And possibly another survivor, just possibly, is the palm at center below (if it has had a hard life and has grown rather slowly, not at all unlikely):

https://i.postimg.cc/RZB815k1/PicoPalm.jpg
gsv



Oh! You just reminded me of the old San Pedro St. / Hammel / Arcade Depot / Exposition Park / Colosseum Palm. 🌴
I had to go back and read up on all of it again.
B.T.W., did anyone ever figure out what the sign on the palm as it stood outside the depot said?

Bristolian Mar 25, 2021 4:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaster (Post 9227052)
I have lived in LA for over 40 years.

It always astounds me when I see photos from the past that the men are often wearing overcoats, hats, heavy suits, long sleeved shirts, ties, vests, etc.

Was the weather in LA cooler back in the 30's/40's and 50's?

These days, Philip Marlowe wouldn't need to wear his trench coat more than a couple days a year.

I think it boils down to fashion and the customs of the era. Marlowe's look was a part of who he was.

Here's another L.A. area private detective who's heyday was about 40 years after that of Marlowe. Jimbo's wardrobe seems much better suited to the Southern California climate but his ever present sports jacket is not something you see too often outside of a formal setting these days, another 45+ years removed.
I think also, the general auras of each character, despite being set in the same area are vastly different. One generally worked in the dark and the other lived at the beach.

https://i.imgur.com/lFOFAw0.png?1Pinterest

Also, mystery location anyone?

ethereal_reality Mar 25, 2021 11:43 PM

.Here's a sweet photograph of someone's mother in Long Beach. (c.1940s)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/O0PFI9.jpg
eBay

. . . . . . . . .It says 'Mother' in the foliage.:previous:




Here's a better look.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/I1lZEh.jpg
eBay


If you look closely you can see a couple of sailors walking in front of the Cinderella Ballroom. On the left we see the Alamo Apts.


OK, glance at the smaller photo again. I'm intrigued by the tall pole with all the spotlights. What are they lighting up? (what are they aimed at) :shrug:. . . I don't think it's the Cinderella Ballroom.


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odinthor Mar 26, 2021 12:10 AM

:previous:

e_r, that's my bailiwick--the lights are aimed at the front of the Municipal Auditorium:

https://i.postimg.cc/Dz0kzxC3/LBCivic-Aud.jpg
https://losangelestheatres.blogspot....rium-1932.html

CityBoyDoug Mar 26, 2021 3:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by odinthor (Post 9229217)
:previous:

e_r, that's my bailiwick--the lights are aimed at the front of the Municipal Auditorium:

https://i.postimg.cc/Dz0kzxC3/LBCivic-Aud.jpg
https://losangelestheatres.blogspot....rium-1932.html

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EF1UYtl3d...-LBPL_3730.jpg
1975 Long Beach
The stage part of the old auditorium was left in place and the new seating area auditorium/lobby was added on in the same footprint as the old building.

CityBoyDoug Mar 27, 2021 12:28 AM

https://youtu.be/46s00KC812M

Here's a film from the later 1940s.....a time travel Trip in Burbank, California, Residential Area Ride late 1940s, we can clearly see what is happening in broad daylight,

We also see a lot of those old wet-garbage cans [lined with newspaper]. My mom taught me how to line the can when I was 4 years old. It was one of my boyhood chores.:tup: When trash burning was banned, everyone bought the large barrels we see today. Life changes.

odinthor Mar 28, 2021 5:25 PM

From a Los Angeles Times article on small pieces of real estate.

Reference to 440 N. Figueroa is inexplicable; they're obviously talking about 440 N. Los Angeles St.:

https://i.postimg.cc/9Qs1bkFp/440-NL...AT-48-1-26.jpg
LA Times, 1/26/1948

Now let's go back to 1882. We're looking north up Calle de los Negros from that irregular piece of open land where Aliso St., the aforementioned Calle, and what was then the north end of Los Angeles St. come together. In the distance upper left we see the old Lugo house's peak. Just out of frame at mid-left is Coronel Corner. Is the walkway in front of J. Kennedy's humble structure at right foreground the sliver-parcel that the above article is referring to? The site is well-placed to have served as the public hay scales at that busy intersection.

https://i.postimg.cc/T2Q9F13h/440-NL...-USC-c1882.jpg
From the USC collection; detail

Noir_Noir Mar 29, 2021 2:20 PM

:previous:


On the 1921 Baist map the only building on a sliver of property in that location is numbered 410 N. Los Angeles Street.


https://i.imgur.com/dggsoJM.jpg
digitallibrary.usc.edu


Tie-in with Lucille P. Cate, there's this John R. Cate hay business at 410 N. Los Angeles Street .

https://i.imgur.com/DFtXX6h.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org



Look out!!!!!

Runaway horses and wagon near the hay scales in 1876.

https://i.imgur.com/DWwUrs5.jpg
cdnc.ucr.edu - Los Angeles Herald, 20 January 1876

ethereal_reality Mar 29, 2021 3:08 PM

:previous:

odinthor and Noir Noir's posts reminded me of this old post from 2013. To this day I've never been able to find #424 in any photographs of Calles de los Negros. (unless I did & forgot about it)

Be sure to read the long article. It's quite descriptive.


Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6108246)


odinthor Mar 29, 2021 10:03 PM

Glancing around for Ballerino data, I ran across the locations of some property he owned at the time of his death, which might be of interest:

https://i.postimg.cc/qvsYbpnM/Ballerino-LAT-09-7-14.jpg
LA Times, 7/14/1909

^^^ Note that the Sheriff had been for years a close friend of this King of the Cribs.

This adds some information:

https://i.postimg.cc/PxxR5Z7P/Ballerino-LAT-09-7-29.jpg
LA Times, 7/29/1909

A decade earlier, he had also owned this impressive tract:

https://i.postimg.cc/Jn2dD0wK/Baller...r-01-11-13.jpg
LA Herald, 11/13/1901

Bartolo Ballerino had been born in Chile ca. 1831, and was in L.A. by 1856, in which year he wedded Miss Maria Ampara Salcido in L.A.

pip Mar 30, 2021 5:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 9230387)
https://youtu.be/46s00KC812M

Here's a film from the later 1940s.....a time travel Trip in Burbank, California, Residential Area Ride late 1940s, we can clearly see what is happening in broad daylight,

We also see a lot of those old wet-garbage cans [lined with newspaper]. My mom taught me how to line the can when I was 4 years old. It was one of my boyhood chores.:tup: When trash burning was banned, everyone bought the large barrels we see today. Life changes.

That was a great video! Thanks

ethereal_reality Mar 31, 2021 3:32 PM

:previous:

Thanks for the additional information on Bartolo Ballerino, odinthor. . .very interesting. (the name Bartolo Ballerino sure rolls nicely off the tongue)



mystery location.


Armless lady visits Los Angeles.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/GZQy2R.jpg
eBay


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/3...923/CfHuAW.jpg


I thought the building at far left might be the old Queen of Angels Hospital but I don't recall a church ever being in front of it. (I think that's a church)

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ethereal_reality Mar 31, 2021 4:30 PM

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Before we get too far removed from Samarkand/The Freezer posts I wanted to point out another unknown location.


It appears in a short film from 1927 titled Hollywood the Unusual. (which we have seen earlier in the thread)

I thought we might be able to figure out this particular location because of the various clues.

Here's a screengrab.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/4gl3JP.jpg






Watch the complete video below.

I just noticed the short film was directed by William Taylor. Do you think that is murder victim William Desmond Taylor?

Video Link


The video is truly wonderful.




Hollywood the Unusual was originally posted by Handsome Stranger back in 2011.
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CityBoyDoug Mar 31, 2021 6:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip (Post 9233119)
That was a great video! Thanks

I posted that video link because I thought ER would like it. He usually likes my posts.

JimCraig Mar 31, 2021 10:16 PM

[QUOTE=ethereal_reality;9234463].

It appears in a short film from 1927 titled Hollywood the Unusual. (which we have seen earlier in the year)

I just noticed the short film was directed by William Taylor. Do you think that is murder victim William Desmond Taylor?


Doubtful - if the film is from 1927. William Desmond Taylor was murdered February 1, 1922.

Mackerm Mar 31, 2021 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9224474)
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mystery location / illicit gambling / where is this?


Over the man's right shoulder you can see a possible clue which is pretty much the only clue in the entire bunch of photographs.







A closer look at the clue.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/NhPpJy.jpg

I know what it looks like to me. What does it look like to you?








Now let's look at the rest of the snapshots.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/belfZj.jpg


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The clue is also in the bottom right picture. To me it RESEMBLES the viaduct for the recently demolished 6th street bridge. That viaduct was much higher than most others, had the same slight arching, and had 3 support piers in each row.

But it did NOT seem to have a lower viaduct immediately in front, which blows up that theory pretty nicely.

Here's a link with some old pictures: https://bridgehunter.com/ca/los-angeles/sixth-street/

Sakhal Nakhash Apr 1, 2021 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mackerm (Post 9235001)
The clue is also in the bottom right picture. To me it RESEMBLES the viaduct for the recently demolished 6th street bridge. That viaduct was much higher than most others, had the same slight arching, and had 3 support piers in each row.

But it did NOT seem to have a lower viaduct immediately in front, which blows up that theory pretty nicely.

Here's a link with some old pictures: https://bridgehunter.com/ca/los-angeles/sixth-street/

It looks like 7th street to me, and it would have been a few blocks from this location.

Sakhal Nakhash Apr 1, 2021 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9234463)
.

Before we get too far removed from Samarkand/The Freezer posts I wanted to point out another unknown location.


It appears in a short film from 1927 titled Hollywood the Unusual. (which we have seen earlier in the year)

I thought we might be able to figure out this particular location because of the various clues.

Here's a screengrab.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/4gl3JP.jpg






Watch the complete video below.

I just noticed the short film was directed by William Taylor. Do you think that is murder victim William Desmond Taylor?

Video Link


The video is truly wonderful.




Hollywood the Unusual was originally posted by Handsome Stranger back in 2011.
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Is it just me, or was that Zorro on top of the Egyptian Theater?
And perhaps I'm mistaken, but I think I saw Crossroads of the World identified as apartments?
Though, it has been about 10 years since I've walked through there.


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