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Hollywood Graham May 27, 2017 5:09 PM

Pierce Arrow?

Originally Posted by Earl Boebert (Post 7815100)
The vehicle is possible a Pierce-Arrow. See

(probably mislabelled as a limousine)


for similar but not identical vehicles. The wheels appear identical.



The car on the rack is a Buick and is L.A. City Fire vehicle. Note seal on door which is L.A. seal and square E license which denotes a city owned license. L.A. Fire liked Buicks for their Chiefs and Captains.

tovangar2 May 27, 2017 6:28 PM


Originally Posted by HossC (Post 7816942)
Assuming that the numbering hasn't changed, 4001 W 6th Street was built by Safeway Stores Inc in 1941. There's a 1967 signage BP for a restaurant whose owner is listed as Mr Pocket Billiards. More recently it's been the Story karaoke bar (below, possibly after it closed), and now the Hourglass, complete with very dark paintwork which doesn't suit the building as well.

Thank you Hoss, that is an odd one.

EP Eiden designed the Safeway. It took out a 1922 commercial building by Hudson and Munsell (I would have liked to have seen that). No architect listed for the 1967 facade remodel (I'm trying to imagine the original paint job, something jazzy I bet). I thought the brick building to the left was older, but LADBS says 1922 (no permit image available).

HossC May 27, 2017 7:00 PM


Thanks, t2.


There are three images in today's Julius Shulman photoset, one black & white and two color, but they all show similar angles, so I'm just posting one. This is "Job 2616: Rowland H. Crawford, Murrell Building, 1958".

Getty Research Institute

I found Mutual Benefit Life at 600 S Harvard Boulevard, just a few blocks from the old Safeway store on W 6th that I posted earlier. The building is still standing, but it's had quite a makeover.

The nearer part still had an entrance on S Harvard Boulevard until at least late 2012. The view below is from 2011.

BifRayRock May 27, 2017 9:47 PM

The Outside Inn, Topanga, circa 1915

BifRayRock May 27, 2017 10:13 PM

Roosevelt Highway

Anyone for Helm's bread?

WigWag reminds everyone: "Properly torque those head bolts."


This race car could be a version of a steam powered "White Rocket" race car driven by Webb Jay but it is unclear.


Broad Beach near Trancas Canyon along the Roosevelt Highway (later Pacific Coast Highway) in Malibu, California, showing the mimetic architecture of a lighthouse-shaped beach house, known as Trancas Lighthouse, built for actress Pauline Frederick and the boat-shaped home built for businessman Freeman Ford.

Eat what you kill

HossC May 27, 2017 10:29 PM

More Outside Inn.

"Photograph of the cottages at the Outside Inn in Topanga Canyon, ca.1915. Three cottages are visible, partially obscured from view by dense trees. All of the buildings are simple single-story wooden structures with peaked roofs. They are built on three levels of a hill, and a low stone retaining wall supports a path leading up to them. A fence that appears to have been made from tree branches runs along the side of the path.".
USC Digital Library

"The Outside Inn, an inn located in Topanga Canyon on Topanga Canyon Boulevard between Highvale and Robinson Road. One of the inn's windows is open and light is shining from within. Two young boys are visible behind the foliage to the left of the photograph."
UCLA Library

Did you spot the kids in the tree?

tovangar2 May 27, 2017 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by BifRayRock (Post 7817133)

Could this be the remnants of the Outside Inn? Islandora/UCLA says it was between Highvale and Robinson. If this is it (it's a stretch), it's much altered:
google maps

Maybe 638, but there's too many trees to see what's what.

HBKid May 28, 2017 12:24 AM

Hi From New Poster: (Sorry if does not meet standards) The Outsider Starring McGavin?

I have read LANoir for years and always learn something interesting and always come back for more. Thank you to all the regulars on LA Noir for important info, great creative thinking, and inside gossip of southern California that I knew back in the day. I grew up in very conservative Huntington Beach, so LA was always the far away land of smog, sex, outrageous dreams and scandal.

You all probably already discussed this show and have seen these images, and I missed it, so please forgive a new poster.

"The Outsider,"a short lived 60's TV show I had never heard of, has some stunning if very low quality images from some YouTube videos which I did not post myself. They look like 16mm dupes (,

Please forgive the quality they are screen grabs from these low quality videos - and this is my first attempt!

You all know Darren from The Night Stalker of course.

I think this is remarkable but I don't know enough about downtown LA to identify these locations and buildings as the experts at the form can. Hope you have some fun with them and the low quality is not too much of an issue for you all and the copyright police permit this obvious fair use for educational and academic purposes.

ProphetM May 28, 2017 3:11 AM

HBKid, welcome!

Those old buildings on blocks are the Castle and the Salt Box, famously saved from the redevelopment of Bunker Hill and then lost to fire due to vandals/squatters at the site of Heritage Square, as they awaited placement & restoration. The other pics are around the civic center, including the building with all the pillars which is the Mark Taper Forum/Ahmanson Theatre complex, across from the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion. With those fountains in between, from which is afforded an unobstructed view all the way to City Hall down what is now Grand Park.

BifRayRock May 28, 2017 3:51 AM


Originally Posted by AlvaroLegido (Post 7816977)
How annoying to have cars going by - night and day - just below your rooms. In addition the garage looks very big and motors roar when climbing the ramp. During the early 1960s cars were still sacred stuff, no one would think this was disturbing.
Another thing : "centinela" means "watchman" in Spanish. Bad joke for a spanish guy above this entrance.

AL: your observations are valid, but this situation may be more common than you might think. It is easy to find countless apartment complexes with balconies directly above garage access. Forget about the cars entering at all hours. Many buildings now include noisy security gates that compound the car noise and exhaust. Then there are cars that double park in the driveway and people who think nothing of honking their horns to get the double parked cars to move. If you think this is annoying, a room in the Hulbert Apartments with a northern view facing Angel's Flight was probably no picnic either. (See next post) Wonder if there are any statistics for Hulbert residents going crazy?

Regarding your observation of "the sentinel", consider another common name, La Cienega and the possible double entendres. And then there is La Brea, the Tar Pit ;)

On the subject of garages, here is a curious row of them, without any location or date, other than "near" LA. Clearly an area in transition. No doubt all valuables were secure - until one left the premises. :shrug:

More garages? Open and closed! Incinerator-close! Laundry adjacent. (Who doesn't enjoy sheets with a fresh scent?)

333 N. Sierra Bonita, 1933 (Built in '28 as a four family flat. 5 room garage.)

It appears that the incinerator and clothes line were subsumed by the garages. Too bad the garage doors disappeared. Now the structure is merely a big car port.

BifRayRock May 28, 2017 4:20 AM

Hulburt Apartments, mentioned :previous: with a northern view probably saw and heard plenty of action, some of it unavoidable, even with the shades drawn. Probably resulted in frequent prayer for long periods of Angel's Flight maintenance (downtime). (Yes, the photos have been seen before, as has been mention of das Hulburt.)


1927 (Even noisier, with the express trolley! Ding Ding Ding or is it "Clang Clang Clang?":P)

Fascinating traffic signal. Looks quite primitive. Did it also emit any sounds? Bet it provoked a few impolite utterances when signaling STOP. ;)

Hollywood Graham May 28, 2017 5:15 AM

Early Signal
That is an early version of the Acme Semaphore Signal. I don't know for sure but I don't think they rang like the newer model did. Wish I had one...

Paul C. Koehler May 28, 2017 5:38 AM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6774594)
I searched the various flood photographs on NLA, and I believe this is a new one.
(found earlier in the week on ebay)

"Flood waters swirling over the intersection of 6th and S. Los Angeles Street in this city."



I don't believe this is 6th and Los Angeles Streets. The Southwest corner would be the PE building, the Southeast corner would be the PE overhead structure, Mail dock and surface yard. The Northwest corner would be the Santa Fe building and the Northeast corner Might be the Greyhound building.

Paul C. Koehler

Flyingwedge May 28, 2017 6:40 AM

NE corner of Temple and New High Streets
This Seaver Center photo is undated and has no identifying information, other than it shows a parade. After I
poked around a bit, I found that the photo shows 113 Temple, at the NE corner of Temple and New High Streets,
c. 1895-99:

P-010-0260Q at Seaver Center

In this closeup from the above photo, the left side of the sign reads, "Court House Exchange / E. M. Posson":

According to the LA City Directories, from 1895-99 E. M. Posson ran the Court House Exchange (retail
wines and liquors) at 113 Temple Street, which was at the NE corner of Temple and New High Streets:

1895 LACD @ LAPL

1899 LACD @ LAPL

On the Dakin Map below (1888; corrected to Sept 1891), 113 Temple is at lower left, above the "T" in Temple.
New High Street runs along the left edge of the map, and Main Street runs along the right edge:

LAPL / FW Photo

Here is the building with 113 Temple in a photo dated 1875. According to the photo's description, the building
was part of the Downey Block at the NW corner of Main and Temple. However, the structures were built separately
(perhaps they were connected inside?). Anyway, this building was torn down in 1905, as was the Downey Block:

CHS-8515 at USCDL

This c. 1876 photo, taken from LA High School, faces NE with New High Street in the foreground. At left, the steeply
slanted roof of St. Athanasius Church obscures the exact NE corner of Temple and New High, but you can see the rest
of the building, looking about the same as it does in the previous photo, with the Downey Block next door:

GPF.4857 @ Seaver Center

This c. 1875 image looks west on Temple from Main, with the Downey Block at right. Immediately behind the Downey
Block appears to be a one-story version of the two-story building at the NE corner of Temple and New High seen in the
other photos in this post:

SCWHR-P-034-033 at Seaver Center

Paul C. Koehler May 28, 2017 4:44 PM

Down the center of Long Beach Blvd. was the PE four track main line to Long Beach, San Pedro, Torrance Santa Anna and other cities on that section of track. The canted poles are holding up the four set of wire for the PE.

Paul C. Koehler

tovangar2 May 28, 2017 5:41 PM

Posson's 113 W Temple

Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 7817454)
This Seaver Center photo is undated and has no identifying information, other than it shows a parade. After I
poked around a bit, I found that the photo shows 113 Temple, at the NE corner of Temple and New High Streets,
c. 1895-99:

P-010-0260Q at Seaver Center

That was a really neat bit of sleuthing Flyingwedge.

Here's one more look at 113 Temple, tucked into the Downey Block, from a courthouse panorama of about 1898 taken by William Henry Jackson (1843-1942), as previously posted by MichaelRyerson:
MichaelRyerson / Denver PL (detail)

Thank you for this one MR, I've referred to it repeatedly.

HenryHuntington May 28, 2017 6:21 PM


Originally Posted by Paul C. Koehler (Post 7817438)
I don't believe this is 6th and Los Angeles Streets. The Southwest corner would be the PE building, the Southeast corner would be the PE overhead structure, Mail dock and surface yard. The Northwest corner would be the Santa Fe building and the Northeast corner Might be the Greyhound building.

Paul C. Koehler


Paul, I believe we're looking north on Maple Ave. as it crosses E. 6th St. Photo appears to have been taken from the PE elevated structure. The building behind the parking lot at the left of the intersection was the Union Labor Temple. Other than the configuration of the streets, nothing remains from this scene.

HossC May 28, 2017 7:00 PM

Another single image from Julius Shulman today. It's "Job 2204: George Samaniego, Screen Actors Guild, 1956".

Getty Research Institute

The Screen Actors Guild was at 7750 Sunset Boulevard. The older GSV images show the building as Bug Music.

Sometime between 2011 and 2014, the building became home to an advertising agency called A/V Squad. Like the Safeway building yesterday, this one also got a dark paint makeover.

By the end of 2014, the building acquired it's current, smarter logo. It's a shame that the stonework got covered up, but many of the other period features survive.

tovangar2 May 28, 2017 7:43 PM


I loved that building. The stone, lettering and tile work made it such a landmark. It's really is diminished now.

SAG (now SAG/AFTRA, part of the AFL-CIO) moved to the Prudential Building on the Miracle Mile:

Paul C. Koehler May 28, 2017 8:02 PM


Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 6821943)
I found this the other night with the rainy Vermont slide and the Capitol Records Vine St. slide.

I've been trying to read the various programs listed on the marquee above the front doors. The center one is Dolores something...and...well... it's a bit difficult isn't it.

Any help would be appreciated.

CBS Columbia Square at 6121 Sunset Blvd.

At first I thought that was a Dept. of Forestry truck, now I'm thinking it might be a Ma Bell truck. (it comes down to whether that's a bell or a pine tree in the circular logo)
I never expected Bell telephone trucks to be GREEN!

Actually it's a Pacific Bell truck, during that time frame they all had that custom body.

Paul C. Koehler

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