SkyscraperPage Forum

SkyscraperPage Forum (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/index.php)
-   Supertall Construction (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=323)
-   -   NEW YORK | Central Park Tower (Nordstrom)| 1,550 FT | 131 FLOORS (https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191095)

manchester united Oct 17, 2011 9:20 PM

Is it true that also this tower will be a supertall ?

RobertWalpole Oct 17, 2011 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manchester united (Post 5447447)
Is it true that also this tower will be a supertall ?

It should be. It has a lot more air rights than One57, which Extell also is developing a few sites to the east.

babybackribs2314 Oct 18, 2011 4:54 AM

I heard a rumor from an inside source-obviously no guarantee-that the tower will be ~90 floors. We shall see...

If it's true, that should yield a roof height around 1,250', although that doesn't account for any potential architectural elements on top.

RobertWalpole Oct 19, 2011 1:31 AM

More demo permits were filed with the DOB on 18 Oct. 2011:

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Wo...70&requestid=2

reencharles Oct 19, 2011 2:33 AM

Wow, 1250 feets? I find it very unlikely for this area. I believe it will be somewhere between 1083 feets.

It would be great to have a building on top of 1050 feets facing the central park. And surely this building would yield many sales because of this incredible view (The example of his "brother" One57 of the same company. The Extell is amazing!

RobertWalpole Oct 19, 2011 2:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reencharles (Post 5448934)
Wow, 1250 feets? I find it very unlikely for this area....

If it's "as of right," they can build as high as they please.

reencharles Oct 19, 2011 3:25 AM

This is the question. How high they want. :shrug:

But it would be fantastic to have a building with about 350 meters in this area. Especially with the loss of height of the Tower Verre for Midtown.

RobertWalpole Oct 21, 2011 1:31 AM

Demolition work was proceeding when I walked by on 20 Oct. 2011.

RobertWalpole Oct 24, 2011 3:41 PM

Barnett's success with One57 bodes well for the rumoured 90-story, 1250 foot tall 225 W57th!

http://therealdeal.com/newyork/artic...ot-source-says

babybackribs2314 Nov 7, 2011 8:05 PM

Demolition is now well underway--the two buildings in black netting on 57th are now the same height. Passed by last night but didn't get any pictures as it was too dark.

Zapatan Nov 8, 2011 3:06 AM

if they're allowed 30% more air rights than One57, couldnt they go to 1300 feet?

Danielson27 Nov 8, 2011 3:23 AM

Did they use all the air rights for One57?

RobertWalpole Nov 8, 2011 3:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 5472118)
if they're allowed 30% more air rights than One57, couldnt they go to 1300 feet?

It depends how they use the space. They could make a huge retail base which would consume a lot of space and therefore, reduce the height. That's unlikely though.

Peace amigo. :cheers:

RobertWalpole Nov 17, 2011 6:13 PM

I walked by on 17 Nov 2011, and demolition was proceeding. Extell has only 97 apartments to sell at One57, and based upon redhot sales at lesser developments, the world's "one percent" will buy them quickly. Therefore, Barnett will want to get this 300m+ tower rising once the site has been fully cleared.

RobertWalpole Nov 30, 2011 1:33 AM

Work on this site was in full swing on 29 Nov. 2011. The school, which was located at 220 W58th (on the northeast portion of the site) is gone, as is 217W57th. 221 W57th is nearly gone, and demolition is proceeding on 225 W58th.

NYguy Dec 8, 2011 11:56 PM

December 8, 2011

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/140197277/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/140197280/original.jpg

RobertWalpole Dec 9, 2011 1:06 AM

I look forward to another masterpiece!

njcco Dec 9, 2011 1:39 AM

That is going to be a MASSIVE tower!
 
That is a really wide and deep mid-block lot. I hope the design is inspired like One57 and not like the assumed horror at 432 Park...

RobertWalpole Dec 9, 2011 2:35 AM

This is what the south side of the site looked like on 6 Aug. 2011. 217 W57th is now completely gone, only 2 of the 14 floors of 221 W 57th remain and 3 of the eight floors that are tentatively planned to come down on No. 225 have been dismantled.

Dan Burnett
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/4259/photo6hp.jpg

This is what the north side of the site looked like on 21 Aug. 2011. This building, which formerly housed Landmark High School, has been completely razed.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6207/...b336456a_b.jpg
RoldanTTLB

pico44 Dec 9, 2011 7:21 PM

Wow, this is just a gigantic plot of land. Considering the height we're getting at the much smaller Carnegie57 and Drake sites, would it be out of the question to see something 1500+ here? Maybe even higher?

yankeesfan1000 Dec 9, 2011 8:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pico44 (Post 5510781)
Wow, this is just a gigantic plot of land. Considering the height we're getting at the much smaller Carnegie57 and Drake sites, would it be out of the question to see something 1500+ here? Maybe even higher?

The air rights acquired allow for something in the 1200s if I'm not mistaken. Given the let down of the Drakes design, I'm not so concerned with height here, more about the quality of the design itself.

babybackribs2314 Dec 9, 2011 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yankeesfan1000 (Post 5510882)
The air rights acquired allow for something in the 1200s if I'm not mistaken. Given the let down of the Drakes design, I'm not so concerned with height here, more about the quality of the design itself.

They could build a 2,000' tower if they wanted, they only have 1.3 MSF of air rights, though. Something 1,500'+ is certainly possible--look at 432 Park and how they used the air rights there--but I would say something below that is more likely (1,200-1,300 is my best guess).

reencharles Dec 10, 2011 3:26 AM

Man, I'd be very happy with a tower 1080 feet (320 meters) on this site, but I'd be even happier if she had be 1148 feet (350 meters).

But I think for this site, what most counts would be a good design.

pico44 Dec 10, 2011 1:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pico44 (Post 5510781)
Wow, this is just a gigantic plot of land. Considering the height we're getting at the much smaller Carnegie57 and Drake sites, would it be out of the question to see something 1500+ here? Maybe even higher?


I apologize for asking a question that had already been answered at the top of the page.

599GTO Dec 11, 2011 6:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reencharles (Post 5511329)
Man, I'd be very happy with a tower 1080 feet (320 meters) on this site, but I'd be even happier if she had be 1148 feet (350 meters).

But I think for this site, what most counts would be a good design.

Absolutely not. Midtown needs to reclaim having the tallest building in New York. 2,000' is more like it but I guess I could live with 1,500' to the rooftop.

Rey88 Dec 11, 2011 7:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 599GTO (Post 5512580)
Absolutely not. Midtown needs to reclaim having the tallest building in New York. 2,000' is more like it but I guess I could live with 1,500' to the rooftop.

Yes, a possible 2,000' tower in competition with the 432 Park Avenue tower.;)

kickser Dec 11, 2011 7:52 PM

There is another plot across 57th street/Morton Williams Supermarket which belongs too Extell too. What do they plan for it?

Crawford Dec 11, 2011 8:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kickser (Post 5512640)
There is another plot across 57th street/Morton Williams Supermarket which belongs too Extell too. What do they plan for it?

I don't know if you're referring to the same site, but Extell also owns some properties on 57th between 5th/6th.

So are you referring to a fourth site, or this site closer to 5th?

THE BIG APPLE Dec 11, 2011 9:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kickser (Post 5512640)
There is another plot across 57th street/Morton Williams Supermarket which belongs too Extell too. What do they plan for it?

If you go up just a bit you'll see that Morten Williams is in one of the buildings being demolished. It is located in the old 225 W 57 building, the one being demolished to make way for this building. So you are talking about this building. But the supermarket is not leaveing (atleast not just yet).

RobertWalpole Dec 14, 2011 6:24 PM

221 W57th is gone!

Duck From NY Dec 22, 2011 6:20 AM

Anyone else have ants in their pants waiting for the design?

If they're going to build something taller than the ESB in Midtown, I'd prefer it to be in North Midtown.

arkitekte Dec 22, 2011 7:04 AM

^^^It should be an amazing design with some nice height. They've got the footprint for a nice street interaction. I can't wait to see the design.

Dylan Leblanc Dec 22, 2011 9:01 AM

yes I am looking forward to seeing the design for this tower as well, especially after the dull box the other supertall, 432 Park Ave., has become

RobertWalpole Dec 29, 2011 12:15 PM

It seems that the last tenant in 225 W57th is leaving!

Morton Williams Gourmet Store to open in Manhattan

CHAINSTOREAGE.com
DECEMBER 12, 2011

New York City -- The Feil Organization announced a lease has been signed with Morton Williams for a gourmet specialty food store at 140 West 57th Street in Manhattan.

Morton Williams will occupy three levels totaling 14,984 sq. ft. at the Landmark office building. The New York-based grocer operates 12 stores in New York City, Westchester and New Jersey. The 57th Street location will be the company's thirteenth store.

sbarn Dec 29, 2011 5:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertWalpole (Post 5531287)
It seems that the last tenant in 225 W57th is leaving!

Morton Williams Gourmet Store to open in Manhattan

CHAINSTOREAGE.com
DECEMBER 12, 2011

New York City -- The Feil Organization announced a lease has been signed with Morton Williams for a gourmet specialty food store at 140 West 57th Street in Manhattan.

Morton Williams will occupy three levels totaling 14,984 sq. ft. at the Landmark office building. The New York-based grocer operates 12 stores in New York City, Westchester and New Jersey. The 57th Street location will be the company's thirteenth store.

Great news! I wonder when they will release a design? For some reason I'm guessing they will keep us waiting for quite a while like One57.

manchester united Dec 29, 2011 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertWalpole (Post 5531287)
It seems that the last tenant in 225 W57th is leaving!

Morton Williams Gourmet Store to open in Manhattan

CHAINSTOREAGE.com
DECEMBER 12, 2011

New York City -- The Feil Organization announced a lease has been signed with Morton Williams for a gourmet specialty food store at 140 West 57th Street in Manhattan.

Morton Williams will occupy three levels totaling 14,984 sq. ft. at the Landmark office building. The New York-based grocer operates 12 stores in New York City, Westchester and New Jersey. The 57th Street location will be the company's thirteenth store.

Therefore we will have 2 Morton Williams supermarkets on the 57th street ?

NYguy Dec 30, 2011 12:23 AM

I missed something here. When did this one become over 1,200 ft? Any sources on this height?

reencharles Dec 30, 2011 2:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5531896)
I missed something here. When did this one become over 1,200 ft? Any sources on this height?

Well, not quite sure about the height. But always there was the comment in this topic, this building will be higher than the One 57 (with 30% more air rights).
Just look at the previous page.

NYguy Dec 30, 2011 5:16 AM

I think it's still too premature for a height, the tower is still in development status, not officially a proposal even. But we'll see.

RobertWalpole Dec 30, 2011 11:39 AM

Extell has the only new product to offer in the uber-luxury market. Hence, Barnett is eager to proceed with 225 W57th.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...NewsCollection

NY REAL ESTATE RESIDENTIALDECEMBER 30, 2011.Mere $110 Million
Penthouse Near Carnegie Hall Gets Ever-Higher Asking Price.

By JOSH BARBANEL

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/i...1229191359.jpg

Quote:

It may be the most expensive home listing ever in Manhattan: $110 million for a glass-walled penthouse overlooking Central Park on top of what will soon be the borough's tallest residential building.

The prize for that eye-popping price tag is a six-bedroom apartment covering 10,923 square feet at One57, a tower under construction by Extell Development Co., on West 57th Street opposite Carnegie Hall. The $110 million figure is nearly 12% above an earlier asking price for the unit, according to documents filed with the New York state attorney general.

The richer listing price is one result of a recent deal to sell the 20th-floor penthouse owned by Sanford I. Weill, the former chairman and chief executive and chairman of Citigroup Inc. The Weill apartment—at 15 Central Park West, a few blocks away from One57—went into contract for $88 million, a record.

Now some brokers say the Weill sale may give a jolt to an already strong high-end market. Extell is betting that other buyers are willing to pay many millions more than previously thought for a chance to live in the clouds above Central Park.

The One57 tower eventually will rise to more than 1,004 feet, including a curved, glass top covering a cooling tower, when the building opens in 2013. It would be the tallest residential development in New York, though even taller residential buildings have been proposed, but not yet begun.

Dylan Leblanc Dec 30, 2011 12:21 PM

:previous:

The penthouse listed for $110 million at One57 is on the top two floors of what will be a 90-story building. It has a 57-foot-wide, double-height "grand salon" facing Central Park.

WOW!

RobertWalpole Dec 30, 2011 12:27 PM

I thought the same thing. That must be amazing.

NYguy Dec 30, 2011 2:57 PM

Quote:

It would be the tallest residential development in New York, though even taller residential buildings have been proposed, but not yet begun.
We may not be able to say that for too much longer. 2012 could be a very interesting year.

NYguy Dec 30, 2011 10:24 PM

It will be interesting to see when Barnett decides to start here. He has shown a willingness to get things going without financing, and financing is already in place for One57. In the meantime, site prep continues...

(December 30, 2011)

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/140634263/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/140634264/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/140634265/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/140634266/original.jpg

hunser Dec 31, 2011 12:07 PM

^^ Damn, this one and One57 are pretty close. It will be quite a sight once both towers are finished.

Also, it seems to me that Barnett is today's Trump. So far he's shown off his ability to get things done.

RobertWalpole Dec 31, 2011 1:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5532845)
It will be interesting to see when Barnett decides to start here. He has shown a willingness to get things going without financing, and financing is already in place for One57. In the meantime, site prep continues...

(December 30, 2011)

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/140634263/original.jpg



The netting is up on the last occupied structure on the site, 225 W57th, and it's ready to come down once MW relocates to 140 W57th.

manchester united Dec 31, 2011 7:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobertWalpole (Post 5531287)
It seems that the last tenant in 225 W57th is leaving!

Morton Williams Gourmet Store to open in Manhattan

CHAINSTOREAGE.com
DECEMBER 12, 2011

New York City -- The Feil Organization announced a lease has been signed with Morton Williams for a gourmet specialty food store at 140 West 57th Street in Manhattan.

Morton Williams will occupy three levels totaling 14,984 sq. ft. at the Landmark office building. The New York-based grocer operates 12 stores in New York City, Westchester and New Jersey. The 57th Street location will be the company's thirteenth store.

I think that the MW stores will be again 12, because the 140 west 57th street simply store will replace the 225 west 57th store.

RobertWalpole Dec 31, 2011 7:33 PM

I agree.

J. Will Dec 31, 2011 8:32 PM

What going up from Extell right across the street from this site?

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=250+We...WcJdECabVvjtsg

scalziand Dec 31, 2011 8:58 PM

^IRCC, that's part of the 440 Central Park South development.


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:30 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.