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thenoflyzone Jul 26, 2021 7:37 PM

https://www.airport-technology.com/news/aci-europe/

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Airports Council International Europe (ACI Europe) has welcomed the European Commission’s (EC) decision to set the slot-use threshold at 50% for the upcoming winter 2021 season, calling it ‘pragmatic and proportionate’.

The non-profit organisation called the decision an important step in the restoration of slot usage rules as air traffic rebounds.

ACI Europe director general Olivier Jankovec said: “The aviation sector, having been brought to its knees by the pandemic, can and must now embrace and build upon the green shoots of recovery.

“And whilst a return to 2019 passenger levels remains a distant vision, our ‘new normal’ does increasingly come with growing levels of stability, thanks to vaccination, certification, and testing protocols.

“This means that a gradual return to slot usage rules, following much needed temporary relief in a time of crisis, is now appropriate.”

EC’s 50% slot usage threshold revises its previous temporary relief regulation.

However, Jankovec explained that the threshold set by the EC could even have been at a higher level.

He added that the agreed solution for W21 is a ‘solid first step’ with a further rise for the Summer 22 season and an expected return to the 80/20 usage rule in Winter 22.
Several airport, including LGW, aren’t too happy though. As it prevents competitors from entering the market on a permanent basis.

https://www.airport-technology.com/n...location-plan/

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The draft legislation will enable the operating air carriers to retain the rights to airport slots if it is returned for reallocation by 7 September 2021. They can again pick those in the next year.

Additionally, the carriers will be required to use only 50% of the slots that remain.

Coldrsx Jul 26, 2021 9:47 PM

'Delta is more than doubling the number of daily flights between the U.S. and Canada starting in September, eight to 19, resulting in a 150% increase in available seats. Customers will enjoy nonstop, easy access from multiple U.S. hubs to Canada’s largest business and leisure markets, including more flights to Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary and Montreal, as well as restarted service to Winnipeg. Toronto will see the largest increase, growing to 10 daily flights in September.'

https://news.delta.com/delta-doubles...s-us-travelers

YOWhopeful Jul 26, 2021 10:42 PM

I guess YOW no longer on Delta’s radar

Coldrsx Jul 26, 2021 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by YOWhopeful (Post 9350869)
I guess YOW no longer on Delta’s radar

Neither is YEG:shrug::(

hehehe Jul 27, 2021 1:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9350905)
Neither is YEG:shrug::(

It's a bit surprising that Alaska and United are the only ones left. I believe that at one point Alaska, United, Delta and American all flew to YEG. A shame

casper Jul 27, 2021 1:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9350784)
'Delta is more than doubling the number of daily flights between the U.S. and Canada starting in September, eight to 19, resulting in a 150% increase in available seats. Customers will enjoy nonstop, easy access from multiple U.S. hubs to Canada’s largest business and leisure markets, including more flights to Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary and Montreal, as well as restarted service to Winnipeg. Toronto will see the largest increase, growing to 10 daily flights in September.'

https://news.delta.com/delta-doubles...s-us-travelers

Surprising the focus on Toronto-LaGuardia especially given WestJet has slots their that it is going to have to start using fairly soon.

Disappointing destinations like YXE are not getting their Delta flights back so soon, however not unexpected. It is going to take time for those secondary markets to build back up. There is also the possibility as the Delta - WestJet partnership grows they may not re-enter those secondary market at all.

thewave46 Jul 27, 2021 9:06 AM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9351012)
Surprising the focus on Toronto-LaGuardia especially given WestJet has slots their that it is going to have to start using fairly soon.

Disappointing destinations like YXE are not getting their Delta flights back so soon, however not unexpected. It is going to take time for those secondary markets to build back up. There is also the possibility as the Delta - WestJet partnership grows they may not re-enter those secondary market at all.

This actually is a concern.

A number of US airlines are retiring their 50-seat CRJ200 fleets, or reducing them markedly. Why? They're too inefficient given the passenger loads they carry and they're not young planes anymore.

If the market can't support 76 seat aircraft - which would be CRJ700/900 or E175 sized - it's unlikely to get service back.

Delta's hubs aren't badly positioned for YOW and YEG service (DTW and MSP or SEA), but I'm wondering if the company wants Westjet to take care of their secondary and tertiary Canada flying, given that it probably has challenges ramping back up.

casper Jul 27, 2021 5:22 PM

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Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9351161)
This actually is a concern.

A number of US airlines are retiring their 50-seat CRJ200 fleets, or reducing them markedly. Why? They're too inefficient given the passenger loads they carry and they're not young planes anymore.

If the market can't support 76 seat aircraft - which would be CRJ700/900 or E175 sized - it's unlikely to get service back.

Delta's hubs aren't badly positioned for YOW and YEG service (DTW and MSP or SEA), but I'm wondering if the company wants Westjet to take care of their secondary and tertiary Canada flying, given that it probably has challenges ramping back up.

There are some routes well suited to the Q400 especially on the coast. SEA-YVR and SEA-YYJ are two examples. WestJet Encore would be a better fit on these than anything Delta has access to.

The same for some of the DTW routes into Ontario. They pulled out of London some time ago, but that would be more well suited to a Q400.

Beyond that WestJet does not have small jets. The C-series would have been a great fit for WestJet but they chose to go 737 instead.

Dominion301 Jul 27, 2021 6:44 PM

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Originally Posted by YOWhopeful (Post 9350869)
I guess YOW no longer on Delta’s radar

Ditto YQB & YHZ.

Dominion301 Jul 27, 2021 6:46 PM

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Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9351004)
It's a bit surprising that Alaska and United are the only ones left. I believe that at one point Alaska, United, Delta and American all flew to YEG. A shame

Same with YOW. Only UA and AA and committed to returning. I remember back when YOW had AA, UA, DL, US, CO & NW.

thewave46 Jul 27, 2021 6:53 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9351388)
Beyond that WestJet does not have small jets. The C-series would have been a great fit for WestJet but they chose to go 737 instead.

Boeing wouldn't have dealt Westjet as a good a deal on their 787s had they not been loyal 737 MAX customers.

I agree that the CSeries/A220 would have been a good fit to replace Westjet's 737-600s. Oh well, I guess they'll just make do with their somewhat larger 737-700s/MAX 7s.

I'm just thinking that Delta is pretty much counting on Westjet to get passengers from Regina/Edmonton/Ottawa to the next larger Canadian airport that has Delta service. So, that would be Winnipeg/Calgary/Toronto. I don't think Delta is really hoping to pick up many passengers except to secondary US destinations those people can't reach directly. Transiting the US for international travel isn't really a thing except for a handful of destinations.

casper Jul 27, 2021 7:19 PM

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Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9351481)
Boeing wouldn't have dealt Westjet as a good a deal on their 787s had they not been loyal 737 MAX customers.

I agree that the CSeries/A220 would have been a good fit to replace Westjet's 737-600s. Oh well, I guess they'll just make do with their somewhat larger 737-700s/MAX 7s.

I'm just thinking that Delta is pretty much counting on Westjet to get passengers from Regina/Edmonton/Ottawa to the next larger Canadian airport that has Delta service. So, that would be Winnipeg/Calgary/Toronto. I don't think Delta is really hoping to pick up many passengers except to secondary US destinations those people can't reach directly. Transiting the US for international travel isn't really a thing except for a handful of destinations.

There is still time to go buy the A220.

I think the issue is going to be where are these passengers going. Out of a place like YXE, the major US destinations are places like Las Vegas, Phoenix, LA, San Francisco, Miami, New York etc. If you have to connect through a WestJet hub you might as well continue on to your destination on WestJet. The only point of transiting through a second Delta hub would be to reach secondary destinations in the US.

thewave46 Jul 27, 2021 7:34 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9351505)
There is still time to go buy the A220.

I think the issue is going to be where are these passengers going. Out of a place like YXE, the major US destinations are places like Las Vegas, Phoenix, LA, San Francisco, Miami, New York etc. If you have to connect through a WestJet hub you might as well continue on to your destination on WestJet. The only point of transiting through a second Delta hub would be to reach secondary destinations in the US.

Exactly.

I don't think Delta really cares to play against the Canadian carriers for leisure destinations. The US carriers generally fly to their nearest hub city, which is often not generally that much of a destination for Canadians. I can't imagine that Detroit, Salt Lake City or Minneapolis are huge draws.

Delta's probably aiming for American customers, not Canadian ones. If they can get a few Canadians who don't want to transit Toronto or Vancouver that's fine, but I don't think it's their bread and butter.

I also think Westjet will stay cozy with Boeing for awhile. They had a chance to walk away from the MAX 7 order, but didn't. Running only one narrowbody type does keep training/staffing/maintenance costs down.

thenoflyzone Jul 28, 2021 1:33 AM

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Originally Posted by YOWhopeful (Post 9350869)
I guess YOW no longer on Delta’s radar

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9350905)
Neither is YEG:shrug::(

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9351465)
Ditto YQB & YHZ.

Guys, it's only been a week that the Canadian government added these airports to the list of airports capable of receiving international flights. Give it time. US carriers will return. Maybe not all of them, and maybe not on every single US-Canada route pre-pandemic, but most will.

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Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9351523)

Delta's probably aiming for American customers, not Canadian ones.

Bread and butter of US carriers on Canada runs is Canadian passengers.

Dominion301 Jul 28, 2021 7:23 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9351852)
Guys, it's only been a week that the Canadian government added these airports to the list of airports capable of receiving international flights. Give it time. US carriers will return. Maybe not all of them, and maybe not on every single US-Canada route pre-pandemic, but most will.



Bread and butter of US carriers on Canada runs is Canadian passengers.

I agree with you and believe most, if not all of those “suspended indefinitely” as they were announced a year ago, will be back eventually. I was merely adding the two additional ex-DL stations at the start of the pandemic that haven’t been brought back yet. I really think YWG was first to come back thanks to the 90ish year history of DL/NW at YWG.

Ironically in Ottawa’s case, DL was going to grow YOW capacity by 50% in summer 2020. When traffic returns to even say post 9/11 traffic levels, there will be a lot of traffic, especially out of YEG (via MSP) and YOW (via DTW and maybe LGA back too) that will no longer want to double connect to get to the plethora of secondary US destinations WS doesn’t serve via YYC and AC doesn’t serve via YYZ. I can’t imagine DL will want to hand all that traffic over to AA and especially UA. They might be alright with WS taking some of their former hub feeder traffic and letting WS do the flying. The 4x daily YYZ-LGA DL just announced is setting them and WS up for the JV attempt 2.0 as when they now have to relinquish slots, they’ll still have WS’ 8 daily slots which will then become metal neutral.

esquire Jul 28, 2021 9:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9352421)
I really think YWG was first to come back thanks to the 90ish year history of DL/NW at YWG.

NW service on the route started in 1928. I hope someone (airline? airports? cities?) do something to mark the occasion when the centennial comes up in a few years!

Nick Jul 29, 2021 12:01 AM

Eventually they will have a slot in their schedule that fits a MSP-YWG-MSP turn. It's too close to not have a route eventually

Coldrsx Jul 29, 2021 1:35 AM

YYC-YYZ on a 320 was 90%+ filled.

Security (no Nexus:() was about 57 seconds.

About half of the stuff in wing C was closed.

Denscity Jul 29, 2021 2:32 AM

A couple of Canada's cl-215s just landed at Castlegar to join the forest fire fight.
As well as a second Electra.

thenoflyzone Jul 29, 2021 4:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9352421)
The 4x daily YYZ-LGA DL just announced is setting them and WS up for the JV attempt 2.0 as when they now have to relinquish slots, they’ll still have WS’ 8 daily slots which will then become metal neutral.

No way in hell are DL/WS getting a more favorable outcome with their JV 2.0 attempt. It will be the exact opposite. WS will still be forced to give up their 8 daily slot pairs into LGA, as those slots originated from DL in 2011, when they were forced to give them up as part of the US Airways slot swap. Those slots are not going back into DL's hands.

Biden's agenda is pretty clear. Take an aggressive stance against antitrust immunity. They want to increase competition. Not diminish it, which is what JV's do.

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/co...eased-3294645/ (July 1, 2021)

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Increased antitrust enforcement is a hot topic in the nation’s capital this summer, with the House Judiciary Committee approving a package of legislation that would reshape the antitrust laws last week and an executive order aimed at more aggressive enforcement expected from the White House in the coming weeks.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...am-takes-shape (March 9, 2021, article moreso about Tech giants, but still relevant about their mindset vis a vis corporate consolidation)

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President Joe Biden’s plan to put two progressive antitrust scholars in top positions signals an aggressive approach to combating corporate consolidation and monopoly power


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