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UrbanImpact Sep 15, 2011 1:48 AM

MIAMI | Resorts World | HEIGHT ? | Multiple Towers
 
Genting unveils plan for Miami bayfront resort
BY ELAINE WALKER
MIAMIHERALD.COM

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/1...for-miami.html

Plans for Genting Group’s new bayside resort in Miami include 5,200 hotel rooms, 50 restaurants and bars, 60 luxury shops and massive convention and ballroom space. It is being called one of Florida’s largest projects ever.

Imagine swimming from Biscayne Boulevard to Biscayne Bay where The Miami Herald now sits.
A 3.6-acre outdoor lagoon — equivalent to 12 Olympic-size swimming pools and surrounded by natural sand beaches — is the centerpiece of the $3 billion master plan unveiled Wednesday by the Genting Group for Resorts World Miami.
The massive 10 million-square-foot mixed-use development that draws its inspiration from the region’s coral reefs is unlike anything South Florida has seen before in terms of sheer magnitude and design. With plans for four hotels, two condominium towers, more than 50 restaurants and bars and a luxury retail shopping mall, it’s being billed as one of the largest projects in Florida history. And that’s without the casino Genting hopes to be able to include in the project.
“This will put Miami on the map and make it a destination,” said Bernardo Fort-Brescia, co-founder of Arquitectonica, which is designing the project. “Miami has not seen resorts of this importance, Orlando has and maybe Las Vegas. This will make Miami more than competitive. It will have an advantage.”
Resorts World Miami’s four hotel towers with more than 5,200 rooms would increase Miami-Dade County’s hotel room inventory by just over 10 percent and give large groups a reason to come to Miami for events that could be held in the property’s convention and meeting space. The project’s largest hotel would have about 2,000 rooms, making it about 25 percent bigger than the Fontainebleau Miami Beach, currently the largest hotel in the market. The second and third largest hotels would be just slightly smaller than Fontainebleau.

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Official Website: http://www.rwmiami.com/media_gallery.html
Renderings from the site:

http://www.rwmiami.com/Images/galler...Night_View.jpg
http://www.rwmiami.com/Images/galler...top_Lagoon.jpg
http://www.rwmiami.com/Images/galler...mPark_View.jpg
http://www.rwmiami.com/Images/galler...seway_View.jpg

UrbanImpact Sep 15, 2011 1:51 AM

Here is how Genting describes its planned resort:
Cost: $3 billion
Site: 13.9 acres
Square feet: 10 million
Floors: 65
Construction jobs: 15,000 direct and indirect
Permanent jobs: 30,000
Convention and meeting space: 700,000 square feet (including ballroom)
Ballroom: 200,000 square feet (billed as the largest in the United States)
Hotels: Four – super luxury, contemporary, convention and family
Hotel units: 5,200
Residential units: 1,000
Swimming lagoon: 3.6 acres and 1,000 feet-long
Retail: 250,000, square feet
Restaurants: More than 50

RobertWalpole Sep 15, 2011 2:57 AM

AMAZING!!! :cheers:

Can someone annotate an overhead/aerial shot of Miami to show where it will be located vis-a-vis the rest of downtown?

Travis007 Sep 15, 2011 3:47 AM

Looks absolutely massive, and will definitely be iconic. Although I don't fancy the side profile of the shorter, fat towers much.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Sep 15, 2011 4:14 AM

BUILD IT NOW!!!!! Finally America's getting something ground breaking!

sobchbud1 Sep 15, 2011 4:24 AM

Video Link

N830MH Sep 15, 2011 4:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sobchbud1 (Post 5411764)

Wow!!! Sounds great!!! It's absolutely so gorgeous!!!! I can't wait see it!! I bet alot of those tourist are very excited to opened it up a new Resorts World. I looking forward to see the action. Says Goodbye to old Miami Herald. They going to be demolition and old Omni Terminal, too. Says adios!!!

patriotizzy Sep 15, 2011 5:17 AM

The greatest proposal I have seen after the WTC! Amazing. Please let this go through!

Illithid Dude Sep 15, 2011 5:36 AM

Quite the proposal. This is like a pre-bust proposal. How tall will it be?

UrbanImpact Sep 15, 2011 11:18 AM

So far all we know is 65 Floors, and I'm not sure if that includes the 8 story podium.

Prahaboheme Sep 15, 2011 12:44 PM

Breathtaking, and refreshing. Miami has deserved something of this caliber for over a decade.

RobertWalpole Sep 15, 2011 1:36 PM

Miami is emerging into a word-class city. It's already probably the most international US city after NY, LA, SF and DC.

UrbanImpact Sep 15, 2011 1:49 PM

Location thanks to QuantumX on skyscrapercity.com

Look below Midtown, above the CBD and Arena

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6207/...5e4a5b15_b.jpg
3036854888_5711a8e906_o by Quantum2010, on Flickr

yaletown_fella Sep 15, 2011 2:10 PM

I'm not huge on twisty modern design but I think this is absofruitly incredible! I'm especially envious of the HUGE vertical mall podium. Congrats Miami!

gramsjdg Sep 15, 2011 4:10 PM

Based on a cursory floor count, It appears that we're looking at 65 floors plus the 8 floor podium. So I'm thinking this puppy could be around 900 ft. Maybe a little more as those podium floors look pretty tall.

Cool design :tup:

UrbanImpact Sep 15, 2011 4:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gramsjdg (Post 5412128)
Based on a cursory floor count, It appears that we're looking at 65 floors plus the 8 floor podium. So I'm thinking this puppy could be around 900 ft. Maybe a little more as those podium floors look pretty tall.

Cool design :tup:

The area that it's in has a height limit of 649ft due to the airplane fight paths to MIA.

We can only hope for an amendment to the restriction.

NYguy Sep 16, 2011 5:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UrbanImpact (Post 5411581)
Genting unveils plan for Miami bayfront resort
BY ELAINE WALKER
MIAMIHERALD.COM

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/1...for-miami.html

http://www.rwmiami.com/Images/galler...Night_View.jpg

I love it.

From the video...

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18602...2-T1200800.jpg

Complex01 Sep 20, 2011 12:41 PM

Love that pool. It is an interesting design. Very Kewl...

:yes:

streetscaper Sep 20, 2011 3:54 PM

umm.... WOWWWWW

Coldrsx Sep 22, 2011 10:16 PM

Corrected

Here is how Genting describes its planned resort:
Cost: $3 billion
Site: 13.9 acres
Square feet: 10 million
Floors: 65
Construction jobs: 15,000 direct and indirect
Permanent jobs: 30,000
Convention and meeting space: 700,000 square feet (including ballroom)
Ballroom: 200,000 square feet (billed as the largest in the United States)
Hotels: Four – super luxury, contemporary, convention and family
Hotel units: 5,200
Residential units: 1,000
Swimming lagoon: 3.6 acres and 1,000 feet-long
Retail: 250,000, square feet
Restaurants: More than 50
funded by 25,000kg of yayo

Dale Sep 22, 2011 10:17 PM

Coolest project ever.

N830MH Sep 23, 2011 7:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 5420049)
Corrected

Here is how Genting describes its planned resort:
Cost: $3 billion
Site: 13.9 acres
Square feet: 10 million
Floors: 65
Construction jobs: 15,000 direct and indirect
Permanent jobs: 30,000
Convention and meeting space: 700,000 square feet (including ballroom)
Ballroom: 200,000 square feet (billed as the largest in the United States)
Hotels: Four – super luxury, contemporary, convention and family
Hotel units: 5,200
Residential units: 1,000
Swimming lagoon: 3.6 acres and 1,000 feet-long
Retail: 250,000, square feet
Restaurants: More than 50
funded by 25,000kg of yayo

Wow! That was best ever I've heard it before. Isn't that 65 floors instead of going up 80 or 90 floors? Why not have to additional more floors?

scalziand Sep 23, 2011 6:13 PM

Shouldn't that be llello?;)

Coldrsx Sep 23, 2011 9:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scalziand (Post 5421054)
Shouldn't that be llello?;)

touches nose

Aleks Sep 23, 2011 9:49 PM

while i like the concept, imo it looks too messy for me. other than the curves, these towers aren't related whatsoever. absolutworld looks amazing because both towers are related. these... not so much. it's a bunch of blobs stuck on top of another blob.

the towers might work if they were a continuation of the waves in the podium. they'd be more vertical and less oval. and if they wanted a centerpiece they could leave the tallest at the end.

the podium doesn't bother me as much. it could use some setbacks here and there and it'd be amazing if they could have waterfalls and hanging gardens all around. i hate presentations where they say'inspired by nature' but there's not much nature going on.

Dale Sep 23, 2011 10:10 PM

Hehe, tough crowd. You'd give a coral reef the third degree.

sobchbud1 Sep 30, 2011 3:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 5420049)
Corrected

Here is how Genting describes its planned resort:
Cost: $3 billion
Site: 13.9 acres
Square feet: 10 million
Floors: 65
Construction jobs: 15,000 direct and indirect
Permanent jobs: 30,000
Convention and meeting space: 700,000 square feet (including ballroom)
Ballroom: 200,000 square feet (billed as the largest in the United States)
Hotels: Four – super luxury, contemporary, convention and family
Hotel units: 5,200
Residential units: 1,000
Swimming lagoon: 3.6 acres and 1,000 feet-long
Retail: 250,000, square feet
Restaurants: More than 50
funded by 25,000kg of yayo

I appreciate the attempt at humor :), but in reality this 3 bil project will be funded by a 43 bil resorts/gaming company that recognizes the possibility that Miami's already formidable tourism cache has the potential to justify such an investment. It speaks to the fact that Miami is an international lure and is a leader in the tourism industry, which is as much an industry as any other no matter how much people on these forums try to dismiss or denigrate it. The "yayo" days are past by a couple decades.... water under the bridge.... old news. It's just not prevalent in our economy as these vestigial perceptions persist in promoting. In reality the drug trade has moved to greener, easier pastures. Miami is no longer the center financially or geographically. I concede that it isn't gone, we're the center of finance for Latin America after all, but this notion that drug traffic is the driving force for everything down here is patently false. <steps off the soapbox>

Dale Sep 30, 2011 4:09 AM

In other words, Genting could buy Edmonton. :cool:

NYguy Sep 30, 2011 7:14 AM

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2011-09...enting-casino/

Three Miami mayors block Genting casino

http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e14//7296886.28.jpg
Joe Carollo warns that Genting's plans for the Miami Herald property will gobble up public land.

By Francisco Alvarado
Sep 29 2011

Quote:

Joe Carollo's Chevy Impala idles at a red light on North Bayshore Drive at NE 14th Street. Dressed in a neat white polo shirt tucked into pressed khaki pants, the former Miami mayor is on a short tour of what could be the most ambitious redevelopment project in the city's history. "Here is where the Genting Group wants to put a fountain," he says with a scowl.

The light turns green. As Carollo cruises toward 1 Herald Plaza, he points to the perimeter of the Miami Herald's employee parking lots. "Those sidewalks belong to the city," Carollo asserts. "In their promotional video, Genting is building over them and this street I'm driving on."

He makes a left past the Omni Metromover station. "That land is owned by the taxpayers too," Carollo declares, gesturing toward the station. "In their presentation, Genting's big lagoon starts where that bus depot and the Metromover station are located." By his calculation, the Malaysian gaming giant's planned megacasino resort will gobble up six acres of publicly owned land and millions of dollars more in air rights.

"This company is like Hernán Cortés marching through Mexico, and the Herald is like the Miami Dolphins cheerleaders," Carollo says, his hands squeezing the wheel. "They are on the sidelines, yelling, 'Go! Go! Go!'"

caltrane74 Sep 30, 2011 1:24 PM

Very amazing design....

I can already see it starring in Miami Vice 2!

brickell Sep 30, 2011 3:35 PM

Should read "3 Miami mayors mad that they're also not on the take"

Dale Sep 30, 2011 3:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brickell (Post 5428737)
Should read "3 Miami mayors mad that they're also not on the take"

They're probably waiting on a call from Genting (that they're not going to tell us about later).

bobdreamz Sep 30, 2011 8:22 PM

Joe Carollo is mad at Gentling? Maybe he can throw "terra cotta" bird house at them like he did to his wife when he was Mayor & was charged with domestic violence! Carollo was a joke of a Mayor & his opinion is worthless.

NYguy Oct 1, 2011 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobdreamz (Post 5429051)
Joe Carollo is mad at Gentling? Maybe he can throw "terra cotta" bird house at them like he did to his wife when he was Mayor & was charged with domestic violence! Carollo was a joke of a Mayor & his opinion is worthless.

He looks like the type waiting to be cut in on the deal...


JDRCRASH Oct 3, 2011 2:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yaletown_fella (Post 5412005)
I'm especially envious of the HUGE vertical mall podium. Congrats Miami!

Yeah me too; we need more of those in the US.

sobchbud1 Oct 7, 2011 10:51 PM

The Miami Herald
Posted on Thu, Oct. 06, 2011


Court ruling allows legislators to expand casino gaming in South Florida

By Mary Ellen Klas
Herald/Times Tallahassee Bureau
TALLAHASSEE A Tallahassee court cleared the way Thursday for legislators to expand gambling in South Florida without a referendum vote, while two key sponsors of a casino bill finished drafting their proposal to allow three resort casinos to operate in Miami-Dade and Broward counties.

The ruling by First District Court of Appeals Judge Marguerite H. Davis was a victory for Hialeah Racetrack and serves as a promising omen for the push by the world’s largest gaming companies to bring resort casinos to Florida.

Davis affirmed a lower court decision, saying the law passed by the Legislature allowing Hialeah Racetrack to offer slot machines was constitutional. She rejected the argument by Flagler Gaming Centers and Calder Race Course, which argued that when voters approved slot machines in Miami-Dade and Broward in 2005 and 2008, they intended to limit the number of permits to the seven pari-mutuels that were currently operating.

Davis said voters did not intend to give the entities “a constitutionally-protected monopoly over slot machine gaming in the state.”

The ruling was hailed by Rep. Erik Fresen, R-Miami, and Sen. Ellyn Bogdanoff, R-Fort Lauderdale, who want legislators to approve their proposal to build three resort casinos in Miami Dade and Broward Counties without first having to seek voter approval. They have filed identical proposals to invite companies to submit bids for three casino licenses to a newly-created Florida Gaming Commission. Each of the bidders would be required to show that they will invest a minimum of $2 billion in capital in each facility.

This gambling commission, which itself will be carefully vetted, will evaluate the bids and select the winners based on a scoring scale that gives preferences to proposals that create the most jobs and complete work the earliest, Bogdanoff said.

The bills also require that the multi-billion dollar resorts give gambling a low profile. Each resort is restricted to using no more than 10 percent of the total square footage for the Las Vegas-style games, such as slot machines, roulette wheels and craps tables. The gambling space also must be segregated from other attractions — so that a visitor can attend the resort without having to see the gambling machines, Fresen said.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/0...#ixzz1a3DtZlf7


It seems that it's full steam ahead at this point! I wouldn't underestimate and bet against the resolve and resources of the companies bidding to get it done above board or under the table. It appears they're lining their ducks rather nicely as the Indians might be included in the conversations. Imagine, there may well be 2 projects totaling 6 billion in investment racing to the finish line!:psycho:

N830MH Oct 10, 2011 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobdreamz (Post 5429051)
Joe Carollo is mad at Gentling? Maybe he can throw "terra cotta" bird house at them like he did to his wife when he was Mayor & was charged with domestic violence! Carollo was a joke of a Mayor & his opinion is worthless.

Yes, he did. He will spent 30-days in county jail. His behavior is not acceptable. He should keep hands off from her.

Quote:

Originally Posted by caltrane74 (Post 5428617)
Very amazing design....

I can already see it starring in Miami Vice 2!

Hey! Sounds like that, huh? :tup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 5428516)
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2011-09...enting-casino/

Three Miami mayors block Genting casino

http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e14//7296886.28.jpg
Joe Carollo warns that Genting's plans for the Miami Herald property will gobble up public land.

By Francisco Alvarado
Sep 29 2011

Ah, yes. I remember where I visited at Miami Herald before. I haven't see it recently. I know where it is but, its near her old store is right on Biscayne Blvd. She works at Boulevard Liquors for 15 years before she retired. I do miss South Florida very much.

MolsonExport Oct 11, 2011 12:35 AM

fantastic.

brickell Oct 27, 2011 3:19 PM

Miami casino would be bigger than Vegas competitors
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/2...gger-than.html

excerpt
Quote:

Genting expects to spend almost twice that amount. The company, Southeast Asia’s largest casino operator, ignited the gambling frenzy in May by paying $236 million for The Miami Herald’s downtown headquarters. Genting agreed to let the Herald remain in the building rent-free for two years, and then began buying up surrounding real estate, including the Omni retail and hotel complex.

Nearby in Miami’s Park West neighborhood, local developers and the Las Vegas Sands casino company reportedly are planning a gambling resort to rival Genting, and other large land owners, including the Fontainebleau, also want their sites considered. But only Genting has drafted renderings for its proposed resort: six undulating towers rising as high as 58 stories with a mix of apartments and hotel rooms, with an outdoor lagoon, artificial beaches, and 50 restaurants throughout the campus.

With 5,200 rooms, the proposed Genting complex would be as large as any hotel in Vegas, according to data available on casinocity.com, a leading industry site. The country’s largest hotel, the MGM Grand, has 5,044 rooms, and Mandalay Bay boasts 4,756.

Two casinos in the Genting complex would dwarf anything offered on the strip. Plans call for a primary casino measuring about 550,000 square feet in a tower on the Herald site, plus an additional 250,000-square-foot casino in a building on the Omni location, said Sergio Bakas, the Arquitectonica architect supervising the design. He said he expected Resorts World Miami to be the largest casino resort in the world if current plans are approved.

The combined 800,000 footprint is large enough to hold the combined casino floors of three of the biggest in Vegas: the Bellagio, Mandalay Bay and the MGM Grand. Current design assumptions call for about 8,500 slot machines, Bakas said, far more than the 2,500 found at the MGM Grand, the largest casino in Vegas. The 50 restaurants Genting plans for the site roughly doubles what is available in the typical Vegas Strip hotel.

“It certainly seems aggressive,’’ said Brian MacGill, managing director for gaming and lodging for Janney Capital Markets in Philadelphia. “If a casino has 15 or 20 restaurants, that’s considered a lot.”

Dale Oct 27, 2011 5:45 PM

Anyone care to predict odds on gaming passing in the state legislature.

brickell Oct 27, 2011 7:59 PM

Odds are getting better every year, but no idea if this is the year that'll do it. The fact that the state passed the racino resolution is a good sign though.

simms3_redux Oct 29, 2011 2:34 PM

Ew Miami can have this project. Personally, I think it is TOO big. All the towers look virtually the same, the podium is like 6 city blocks with no breaks, and I don't even much like the design. I'm going to be brutally honest here. I tend to dislike big urban master-planned infill projects, but this one is the worst.

The WTC site is done beautifully. Many different famous architects collaborated and the site has meaning and connects what was to what will be.

Atlantic Station in Atlanta is one of my least favorite projects - ever - because I believe it took away focus from Midtown, my own neighborhood (I am biased here), but it was phased with varied architecture and street context. It also did a good job harking back to the massive steel mill that was there, Atlantic Steel (remnants of which are still all over at the shops and in public squares there).

Both of the above projects are very public friendly projects, granted one is horribly cookie cutter (AS) and the other one has limits to how much of the public can enjoy it at a time (WTC site).

This project, the Genting Project, is all about gambling, luxury, and tourism. It does not address the street. It does not directly benefit residents of Miami by catering to their needs. It is not a "public"project or community. It is horribly massed, poorly designed, and simply too large. I don't like one aspect of it. I do like Brickell Citi Centre, however, for all of the opposite reasons I don't like the Genting shit.

Dale Oct 29, 2011 5:20 PM

I know I need street interactivity or I'll die.

*sarcasm*

N830MH Oct 30, 2011 7:06 AM

How long they will approved it? When they will start construction new Resort hotel?

brickell Nov 1, 2011 3:24 PM

Micky Arison warns of traffic nightmare if casinos come to downtown Miami
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/10/3...k=omni_popular

Quote:

Miami Heat owner Micky Arison warned Monday that massive casino resorts in downtown Miami would likely cause traffic nightmares, turn off local basketball fans and generally disrupt Miami’s urban revival.

“We’re on a roll, and I’m not sure this is the right way to continue it,” said the CEO of Carnival Corp. and majority owner of the Heat. “I just don’t know how Miami can handle that kind of traffic.”

Arison’s comments represent the most critical yet from South Florida’s corporate elite as the region considers a plan that could bring the world’s largest casino to the Miami waterfront. It also reveals an interesting subplot to the ongoing gambling debate, since the leading casino operator pursuing a Miami site also controls one of Carnival’s top rivals, Norwegian Cruise Line.

simms3_redux Nov 2, 2011 10:25 PM

^^^Yes, the latter part of that is very juicy indeed! Go Micky and Carnival :)

N830MH Nov 3, 2011 7:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simms3_redux (Post 5465823)
^^^Yes, the latter part of that is very juicy indeed! Go Micky and Carnival :)

Let's go get'em!!! They got trying to fought newest resort hotel.

NYguy Feb 2, 2012 6:02 AM

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/02/0...-district.html

Miami arts district master plan is ‘aspirational’

http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/...I3ff.Em.56.jpg

By ELAINE WALKER AND ANDRES VIGLUCCI
02.02.12

Quote:


The idea for the master plan began long before The Genting Group purchased The Miami Herald property in May 2011 for $236 million and then unveiled its vision for a $3.8 billion Resorts World Miami, a mega mixed-use destination resort. But the need for a plan gained importance as Codina and Arsht Center leaders grew concerned about future development that would be dramatically out of scale with the surrounding neighborhood.

The plan focuses only on the west side of Biscayne Boulevard and doesn’t address the Genting proposal. The plan includes the area between Interstate 395 and Northeast 14th Street and between North Miami Avenue and Northeast 2nd Avenue.

While Codina met with Genting officials to discuss the vision, he said he didn’t get any commitments. The Malaysian company is waiting for news on whether the state is going to allow a casino resort.

“You tell me when it’s going to happen and the size,” he said. “I don’t know the uses. It’s very hard to deal with it in those terms. Genting to me is an important property owner, but there are a lot of important property owners in the area.”

To create the master plan, the Town Square group turned to Pelli, the original architect for the Arsht Center. Pelli’s hiring was made possible through a $300,000 grant Town Square received from ArtPlace, a federal initiative aimed at revitalizing urban cities by using the arts to spur economic development. The Knight Foundation is one of ArtPlace’s supporters.

“The prediction that this center was going to spur development has come to pass,” Pelli said. “This is an idea of what the area might look like 40 years from now. This could be a path of how it could be developed to achieve a very vibrant neighborhood.”

Zapatan Feb 2, 2012 11:05 AM

wait where did that rendering come from?

what happened to the plan from the first render? it was soooo cool!

scalziand Feb 2, 2012 4:25 PM

The buildings in the original render are still there on the right hand side. They just aren't highlighted the same way.


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