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spoonman Nov 6, 2014 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 6798123)

Do you guys think this Embarcadero Phase 1 is really a game changer? How much will it transform the waterfront? Maybe once Lane Fields park is complete it will all fit in much better.

I think the embarcadero is a "nice to have" but Lane Field will be a game changer in a largely neglected area.

spoonman Nov 6, 2014 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 6794468)
This is your answer...

http://www.sandiego.gov/planning/com.../14septmin.pdf

3. Qualcomm/Camino Del Rio N project
Marco Sessa, from Sudberry Properties introduced developers and architects for the development around Qualcomm Way and Camino Del Rio, called Discovery Place.
The project meets the existing zoning regulations so the project was not brought before the MVPG for approval.
The site will be composed of three businesses:
 A drive through Starbucks
 An ifly indoor skydiving business
 A 135 room Springhill suites hotel

I would expect a Springhill Suites to be somewhere between 4-6 floors.

Here is what the Indoor Skydiving Facility will look like in Mission Valley at Camino Del Rio/Qualcomm Way/8FWY. This will be next to a Springhill Suites that is also in development. The one pictured is actually in Dallas, but it will look the same.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/...or-attraction/

http://media.utsandiego.com/img/phot...053cbc530c46a8

mello Nov 7, 2014 12:01 AM

Damn talk about a cluster of density, Mission Valley gettin Chunky! Costa Mesa and Century City better look out lol

SDfan Nov 7, 2014 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 6798223)
Damn talk about a cluster of density, Mission Valley gettin Chunky! Costa Mesa and Century City better look out lol

I would agree with you, but Century City has near 500ft buildings... :(

MV is closer to 150-200ft max.

SDCAL Nov 7, 2014 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by spoonman (Post 6798149)
I think the embarcadero is a "nice to have" but Lane Field will be a game changer in a largely neglected area.

I think NEVP 1 is a game changer in the sense that it's a crucial part of the framework needed to make Downtown truly expand to the Bay. I think it's more than just nice to have, even though right now it might not seem like much more. As lane field and others proceed and when NEVP 2 is complete I think it will make more sense in terms of unifying that whole stretch along the Bay.

SDCAL Nov 7, 2014 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SDfan (Post 6798247)
I would agree with you, but Century City has near 500ft buildings... :(

MV is closer to 150-200ft max.

Even San Fernando Valley has a >500 ft building (Universal City Plaza 506 ft). It's sad that buildings in outlying areas of other cities can be built taller than buildings right in San Diego's downtown :yuck:

SDfan Nov 7, 2014 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 6798123)
SDCAL:
Do you guys think this Embarcadero Phase 1 is really a game changer? How much will it transform the waterfront? Maybe once Lane Fields park is complete it will all fit in much better.

It's a fancy pave-way with overpriced swan neck street lights, but I'll take it because it's a hell of a lot better than the crumbling sidewalks and parking lots surrounding it.

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Also what about an MLS Stadium at the MTS Busyard? Would you be willing to sacrifice downtown space for that? More home games and international friendly matches too. If not downtown where would be a good place for MLS Soccer Specific Stadium? Chula Vista Bayfront? Convince DOD to give up the 120 acre lot on the very NW Corner of Miramar road right before the 805?
No. :haha: But thank you for asking! <3 you mello

I'd be fine with a soccer stadium in an already developed lower density location, perhaps in Miramar or Southeast San Diego. Actually, somewhere along the Orange line would be ideal. I just drove east on Market, and then east on Imperial and it's amazing how much of the city is underdeveloped out there. It's a whole other world, places with transit bisecting dilapidated neighborhoods just waiting for the right economic climate to grow.

SDfan Nov 7, 2014 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SDCAL (Post 6798259)
Even San Fernando Valley has a >500 ft building (Universal City Plaza 506 ft). It's sad that buildings in outlying areas of other cities can be built taller than buildings right in San Diego's downtown :yuck:

I would love (LOVE) if San Diego built a >500' building outside of downtown. I can just imagine Qualcomm saying fukc it, let's just go up here than out over there.

*delusional dreams*

spoonman Nov 7, 2014 12:32 AM

^ Good point

SDfan Nov 7, 2014 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SD_Phil (Post 6797721)
I used to live right by this, what has replaced it?

Some more mid-rise residential from what I remember reading. I don't think there was a rendering out yet.

Derek Nov 7, 2014 1:00 AM

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Originally Posted by nezbn22 (Post 6797787)

Awesome! Thanks.

SD_Phil Nov 7, 2014 6:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SDfan (Post 6798281)
Some more mid-rise residential from what I remember reading. I don't think there was a rendering out yet.

Thanks!

I have fond memories of very drunkenly ordering, walking to, and then gorging at food from that place. Good times.

mello Nov 7, 2014 6:55 AM

Regarding MV I was joking guys, an 80 Foot skydive center and suburban style hotel are nothing. Of course MV will never have a cluster like Century City. But with the big projects announced lately it will get very dense and the traffic could get so bad it will force people to use transit.

About the Soccer Specific Stadium wouldn't they need about 40 acres? I agree with you about Market and Imperial but I don't think there are any parcels that large. You need the Stadium and parking.

Just took a long walk downtown. That Courtyard Marriott is only about 45 feet wide! That is going to be interesting. The Lane Field park looks like it will be very long and narrow will they build the entire park with Phase 1 of Lane Field or wait till the other tower goes up. Electra has an art gallery at its base pretty classy.

BOSA please break ground on PAC Hwy we need something with curves on the water front I'm getting bored with the view along the water front row time for a new tower to come along.

spoonman Nov 7, 2014 3:51 PM

UTC would be a much better comparison to Century City as it is more clustered and has high rise residential. Of course as was pointed out CC has taller buildings, although we had seen proposals for buildings in UTC that are even taller than what is currently there.

In it's own right, Mission Valley is quite impressive with numerous buildings in the 5-20 story range. As was suggested, you could easily put Mission Valley up against Costa Mesa, and Mission Valley is continuing to double down on density. Recent developments, while not always transit oriented, continue to add to the density. Most of the valley is or will be multi-story with the exception of some retail, services, etc.

nezbn22 Nov 7, 2014 4:53 PM

North Embarcadero Phase 1 isn't a game changer in and of itself, but it's a key domino that needed to be knocked down in order to get other, bigger dominos falling. No one wants to be the first to build in a rundown area for fear that others won't follow. But now that the County Waterfront Park is done and Phase 1 is finishing, the area looks a little less crappy and a lot more welcoming. I don't think they would've started Lane Field without those two public projects. And I'm convinced (without any real evidence) that Bosa is waiting to make sure there's real progress around him before he breaks ground on Parcel 9 (Broadway & Pacific Highway).

The real game changer is the Navy Broadway Complex. If/when that gets started is a whole different conversation, though...

mello Nov 7, 2014 7:38 PM

I would hardly call the area run down now, that isn't what BOSA is worried about. Even if he broke ground today wouldn't his building and Phase 2 of Embarcadero be finishing around the same time? You have Lane Field across the Street and like I said that will have a nice park in front of it. The Headquarters is a short walk from Parcel 9. Obviously the Navy land is a big eyesore but BOSA is waiting on something else not seeing how his surroundings shape out.

When you think about it, the NBC will block most of the South facing views of his Pac Hwy tower anyway so it would be a better selling point to go with sales now while all that land is wide open.

nezbn22 Nov 7, 2014 8:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 6799337)
I would hardly call the area run down now, that isn't what BOSA is worried about. Even if he broke ground today wouldn't his building and Phase 2 of Embarcadero be finishing around the same time? You have Lane Field across the Street and like I said that will have a nice park in front of it. The Headquarters is a short walk from Parcel 9. Obviously the Navy land is a big eyesore but BOSA is waiting on something else not seeing how his surroundings shape out.

When you think about it, the NBC will block most of the South facing views of his Pac Hwy tower anyway so it would be a better selling point to go with sales now while all that land is wide open.

Trust me, a well-designed NBC is a much better selling point than the dilapidated warehouse-looking buildings that offer views for a limited period of time.

And with regard to Phase 2, I'd be SO excited if I thought that would be done in the next couple years. But frankly, I'd be surprised if they broke ground in the next couple years. It's taken them more than 2 years to finish Phase 1, and it's not exactly a monster project. Last I heard, Phase 2 hadn't been scheduled, and they weren't sure about the source for funding.

I live near all this, so I'm super excited about any news involving development on the western waterfront. But I'm trying to be realistic about the timing of it all. At some point, that area will be really freaking awesome. The NEVP will extend north past the Waterfront Park. Anthony's will be completely redone. Both Lane Field hotels will be up and running. They'll tranform Navy Pier into Veteran's Park and knock down that god-awful structure next to the Midway (and potentially add a god-awful sculpture, but I digress). The NBC will be built (Manchester will outlast and outspend his legal adversaries). And Bosa will put two towers SE of Broadway and Pacfic (one is planned and ready, but he also owns Office Depot which certainly isn't a long-term option). Oh, and they'll redo Seaport Village, too (current lease is up in 2018, and I bet they'll make some big changes then).

All that may take decades, though. And that's precisely why I have an irrational hatred for the California Coastal Commission.

eburress Nov 7, 2014 9:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 6798123)
SDCAL: I think we are all a bit disappointed with the height of Sempra but 7th and Market directly behind it almost a sure bet to be taller than 400 feet and the new Hilton going in at 24 floors close by will give a good variety of height to that area. I was really hoping the Sempra building would be mixed use and add a hotel component on top to bring the height up significantly.

Do you guys think this Embarcadero Phase 1 is really a game changer? How much will it transform the waterfront? Maybe once Lane Fields park is complete it will all fit in much better.

Also what about an MLS Stadium at the MTS Busyard? Would you be willing to sacrifice downtown space for that? More home games and international friendly matches too. If not downtown where would be a good place for MLS Soccer Specific Stadium? Chula Vista Bayfront? Convince DOD to give up the 120 acre lot on the very NW Corner of Miramar road right before the 805?

If not a new Chargers stadium, my vote in that spot would be an NBA/NHL-caliber arena to replace the extremely ghetto Sports Arena (or whatever Indian casino or Bail Bond store it's named after at the moment).

staplesla Nov 8, 2014 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mello (Post 6799337)
I would hardly call the area run down now, that isn't what BOSA is worried about. Even if he broke ground today wouldn't his building and Phase 2 of Embarcadero be finishing around the same time? You have Lane Field across the Street and like I said that will have a nice park in front of it. The Headquarters is a short walk from Parcel 9. Obviously the Navy land is a big eyesore but BOSA is waiting on something else not seeing how his surroundings shape out.

When you think about it, the NBC will block most of the South facing views of his Pac Hwy tower anyway so it would be a better selling point to go with sales now while all that land is wide open.

I just called the Port office and inquired about Phase 2 of the North Embarcadero Visionary Plan. The director stated it isn't scheduled, there is no funding, and it would probably be years before the bids were put out.

mello Nov 9, 2014 8:39 PM

If there is no timetable and funding for Embarcadero Phase II where do the people trying to block Navy Broadway Complex because they want to see those 14 acres turned in to a grand park think the money will come from?

Their argument is completely irrational and obstructionist because the plan they are proposing would not happen for another 30 years if ever Where on earth do they think the money will come from to turn that in to a Park? :shrug:

This is San Diego people at their worst, that area is no one's "Backyard" it is a blighted horrible eyesore on our waterfront and they are simply trying to stop thousands of jobs from moving forward and huge progress for absolutely no reason. What a disgrace.


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