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Based on what I have read ( http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...rticle1264739/ ), the downtown portion of Hamilton need to be renewed with new investment since the steel plants have significantly downsized. It seems like a good idea. In my opinion the owner of the Tiger-Cats is being unreasonable. Since the owner is a resident of the city, he should want to do all that he can to improve the fortunes of the city. They are already located in an industrial east end location (Ivor Wynne) so it seems to me that a west downtown location would be a step up. Personally, I think that the owner is out of touch with reality, the downtown is relatively close to highways but it sounds like he wants to be directly next to a highway. I would think that there would be better and easier connections to the downtown location and it is much closer to McMaster University. (just my personal opinion, I lived there for several years but that was 20 years ago). The Rogers Centre has worked well in downtown Toronto so why wouldn't a stadium work in downtown Hamilton? (Does someone have an address for the new stadium - I haven't been able to find an address for the West Harbour location in any of the articles that I have read) |
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Nice - I think he got it right on.
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I think Bob Young is essentially slapping the city of Hamilton across the face and saying the downtown doesn't meet his high standards. It sounds like his chosen location is closer to Stoney Creek than Hamilton (I guess through amalgamation they are now the same city). |
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The only thing that I think is a mistake is that the city is trying to build an iconic stadium that seats 15,000 which is expandable for the Tiger-Cats, whereas I think they could go with a more practical design that seats 30,000 (eliminate all the fancy curves and glass) for the same amount of money. I would agree with this argument, if that is your point but as far as location goes you used a couple of exceptions like the Dallas Cowboys Stadium and the Giants Stadium and ignored all the others (the majority) that have been built in downtown locations. In a suburban location people will drive to the stadium, park, watch the game and then get back in their cars and go home. This doesn't provide much benefit to a city. In the case of Hamilton, I hope that they boot Bob Young out of the city and find a more deserving owner. If they lose the Tiger-Cats then another owner can get an expansion team. PS: Neither of us know enough to be commenting on this. My only point is that a downtown Hamilton location would seem to be a very good location. Having lived in Hamilton for a few years, I can't see anything wrong with such a location. Hamilton has a lot of one way multi-lane streets (it provides great traffic flow through the city). I assume this is why people can only get into the stadium from one direction. However, this is the case with most locations in the downtown Hamilton core (because of all the one way streets) - people just go around the block so that they are going in the right direction. I wonder about the reporters that wrote these stories because they are filled with exaggerations and twisted facts that I would expect of the Save the View group in Halifax. |
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^And virtually all MLS stadiums are built in the suburbs.
Arenas and baseball stadiums go in urban areas. Soccer/Football stadiums generally don't. You can't use something sparsely used as a magnet to downtown. Common sense. |
Most popular team in the CFL is the SK Roughriders... their stadium is downtown in a province where everybody drives everywhere.
I think it is rediculous to discuss Moncton getting a team... honestly this is a joke to me. I wouldn't (and I hope other Nova Scotians wouldn't) support any sports franchise located there. I doubt a Moncton team would last financially. Driving 5 hours to see a team that doesn't even rep my province is laughable... I'd rather fly from Halifax to Montreal to watch the Als in a real city. |
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And for the record, if Halifax got a team I would drive down a couple times a year to catch a game. Moncton's not so bad a city.........give us a break! :tup: |
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I see no reason why a stadium should be in the suburbs with a large parking lot when there is room in the downtown area and it can utilize public transit and parking. If a stadium is located in the suburbs then there is a good reason for it to be sparsely used as you stated. This is the reason to put it near the downtown area where it will get maximum use. I see no common sense in locating a stadium on the east mountain. Having lived in Hamilton, getting from the lower area of Hamilton (west Hamilton, downtown and east Hamilton) is a long trek by bus. Since there is room in the downtown area (and it is not a frightening place like it is made out to be in a few articles) why not put it downtown? When I lived in Hamilton 20 years ago the west end and downtown were good parts of town. Hamiltonians should be peeved at Bob Young not the city of Hamilton. I think getting peeved at the city is just a knee jerk reaction. The city of Hamilton is investing a large amount of money ($50 million dollars) so they should choose the location. If they can't get a benefit from the stadium then why should they even bother to help finance it? |
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Regina (more similar to a Green Bay franchise in Canada, although Edmonton is clearly Canada's Green Bay) can support a team because Saskatoon is so close and its all within the province. Its like when people talk about Halifax getting an NHL team... there are other cities in line. We aren't even on the radar in my opinion. Everybody should wait their turn. Moncton is always trying to "out do" Halifax, when clearly it isn't in a position to do so. |
Meanwhile, HRM just issued a tender for a rink for the Common to be used in the Canada Games -- another $1.0 to $1.5 million. Add to that the same amount earlier this week for the Khyber and you have a good start on funding for a stadium, and that is just one week's worth of questionable spending. Throw in some proper internal economy measures and you could have the thing paid for within the year.
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I agree that Halifax should be able to support a team. You just need to have a stadium, a proactive civic administration and an ownership group. Moncton (1) has a stadium (admittedly inadequate), (2) has a proactive civic administration but (3) does not have an ownership group (yet). We do have about a half dozen individuals in the city worth $100M or more so that might not be an insurmountable obstacle. Both cities should try for teams. Our catchment area is dissimilar enough to yours that there is not much overlap. The rivalry between two Maritime teams could be quite intense. I have always said that if Moncton gets a team first, a team in Halfax would follow in short order. The reverse however would not necessarily be true. A team in Halifax might block an NB franchise forever. |
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