If the UK left the EU what would the consequences be?
If the UK left the EU what would the consequences be?
16 November 2009 By Chris Bowlby http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/8359160.stm Quote:
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it's not going to happen. there's what, 2 million Brits outside the UK living in the other EU nations, and something like 2.2m non-british EU citizens in the UK. do people expect all these people to lose their jobs, homes and the lives they have built for themselves and immediately move back to the country of their birth? the majority of british trade is also with the EU nd being in that bloc gives us greater weight to negotiate freedom of movement for goods, capital and people with other nations - such as Canada and South Korea - which is exactly what the EU is doing at the moment. it just makes no sense to leave at this point. however i can see the UK opting out of more and more EU directives, as it currently does with the Euro and Schengen.
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When is Europe going to merge into a super state ala the US but with more home rule clauses in a new constitution? That is the real question.
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A constitution isn't really needed, maybe a new treaty in 10 years. We should now focus on development in the east and unifying of foreign policy I think. Also letting a real European identity cultivate. |
^wishful thinking that is far from virtual every poll around...
There is no doubt that Europeans like cooperation, but there is VERY far from an advanced trade union to a single state... ( as the Lisbon showed were the politicians didn't even dare ask the public about it ) And if anything globilization will make us get rid of the dead weight such as Southern Europe and many of the Eastern states that Brussels & co were in such hurry to incorporate before they were ready... and if that isn't happening nations will simply leave rather than getting dragged down - just wait and see :) Quote:
And hopefully a few more so we could get a the Nordic Council updated to a union with like minded and equal nations with a common interest :) Then Turkey, Greece and Romania could inherit it while France and Germany merge and Belgium was split between the Netherlands and France :) ( the Netherlands and UK can join the NU too, if they promise to get rid of their pesky beer brands :D ) |
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Actually you are far from the general opinion for your age group. Bordering on delusional even, we've already established that over the years. Your "Nordic Union" bullshit in this last post is just more evidence to these delusions. Not...gonna...happen... |
Some positive effects for EU-Europe can be expected if Britain leaves.
The UK would be hit pretty hard. Probably international investment would dry out. The major European headquarters in London would start to relocate to Paris, Frankfurt, Berlin. The integration process wouldn´t be so much hampered anymore, as the UK has since its membership worked the hardest to avoid any major developments. Quote:
My biggest hope though and the most crucial element to develop an EU European identity would be the creation of a high quality 24 h TV channel which is prominently installed in all member countries. The sense of common agendas would increase. The knowledge and the trust among EU citizens would increase as well. Apart from all political initiatives the missing pan European media is the biggest problem. Without a common media (TV and radio) a true sense of EU identity can hardly be achieved. |
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Let's see how it looks in 5 years :) ( my guess... EU stagnant, half the nations with terrible economics draining the system, even lower support for anything hence no new moves other than the central bank being pissed doing damage control.. and a split Belgium lacking a government again... oh year and maybe even a reduced number of Euro countries - certainly no Euro's in any Scandinavian nation ) As for nations leaving...the EU is a card house, it only takes one.. ( go UK you can do it! ) :) |
Delusions...:koko:
It's been 5 years and here we are with a common currency that has stood the test of time and crisis. More countries joined and even more are lined up to join (including Denmark where a majority wants to join). Lisbon Treaty passed and overall further integration on all fronts. And here you are talking about splitting Belgium, merging France and Germany, countries leaving the EU to make their own union. Still after 5 years living in a fantasy world... The EU is going nowhere, you better get used to it. |
^at no point have there EVER been a majority for the Euro here! ( why no politician have ever dared even touch the topic ) but hey don't take it from me.. let's see in 5 years shall we :) ( hopefully we'll get to downvote it like the Swedes by then :) )
And as for the rest no point in debating that either, we know we'll never agree so we might as well just let time tell :) What we probable can agree on is that the old ways with a manufacturing based southern Europe is gone and will never return and they can't live off vegetables and fruits - so unless they act fast and modernize they ( and thus the EU ) will face some hard time ahead... The US may live above it's means, but at least it's modern and diverse... what will get Eastern and Southern Europe going again? - the initial investment interest is gone.. now it's up to themselves now.. |
I would at least expected you to be knowledgable about your own domestic politics...guess not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_...uts_referendum (hint: you will get your referendum before fall 2011). And don't bullshit us about your politicians not daring to touch the subject, as Rasmussen himself said that Denmark is in fact already using the euro only you call it the kroner (which is true) :haha:. Among other statements from all sorts of politicians. There most definately is a political debate, but I guess it is easy to deny if you are living in fantasyland. Among your other delusions, you're also delusional about "southern Europe". Spain and Italy have very diverse economies at least on par with Denmark (not comparable though because Denmark is a small nation). They are not "living of fruits and vegetables" anymore then Denmark is living of dairy products...:rolleyes: Parts of Spain and Italy are as modern as Denmark, so don't wank yourself of just yet...Where's Denmark's HSR or skyscraper? |
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5 years of claims and no referendum yet ( and no interest what so ever from the Government in one ) so lets see shall we :) Quote:
We are ( as I have informed you about many times ) getting our new note series these years ( from 9 to 11 ) - not especially pretty sadly, hopefully the next series will look better and be of polymer ) Quote:
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Denmark came out of 2009 with the second higher surplus on record - Greece is going belly up screaming for help ( just as Portugal and many of the Eastern European nations are ).. Quote:
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BTW to be technical - the 180km/h we use is technically HSR by US standards :D As for skyscrapers... well you didn't hear about our supertall project ( Thors Hammer??? ) 632m of pristine Danish design right smack in the middle of the habour! :D ( nah we'll see Scrapers the same year we'll see Euro's here... good luck to my grandchildren ) Anyways mate we have been trough this countless times over the years - I'm not about to go into another one of these.. So far it has followed my prediction - and if we give it another 5 years we can see it continues that way - personally I see no change in sight ( heck the left side ( former reds ) is close to taking government and they oppose it even more than the current government, but hey... time will tell :) Have a nice night, it's about bedtime for me.. :) |
I bet, by 2020 we have 30 member states (Iceland, Croatia, Serbia new) and 25
countries in the Eurozone. |
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http://politiken.dk/politik/article710127.ece And actually the krone is pegged to the euro, but we've been down that road before with you...:ohno: Quote:
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Now back in reality more countries have joined the euro and the EU and the Lisbon Treaty passed. I guess even with euronotes in your wallet in a few years you will still fantasize about getting the krone back... |
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Like the UK did Denmark can leave it at any time we want to and we are in no way bound by neither value nor agreement.. it makes sense ( or it did before the Euro nations started strugling ) hence it was done.. But now where it have forced us to keep lovering out interest rate and with this hole Greece thing it might be smarter for us to let our currence go back up to it's real value ( but that is up to the experts, if nothing else the current value is beneficial to exporters.. ) Quote:
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My prediction is as it has always been that Denark will stand on the sideline until a nation ( most likely the UK ) leaves and we will see our chance to do the same and team up with Norway :) ( since then serious talks about unifying the 3 Scandinavian nations have come out, so who knows Kalmar Union might get a second chance.. :) Quote:
We got the same treatment when we down-voted the Maarstrict... so no politician dare try that again ( but some parts they have to why much of the Lisbon was changed to specificly avoid that as it was clear how it would go here if we got the chance ) Anyways mate, I don't think we'll achieve anything we haven't in the last 5 years so let's give it another 5 and see shall we :) |
i dont see why the UK or denmark would want out of the EU. i can understand some economic and sovereignty issues but i suspect in the coming years, the EU will be where all the cool kids want to hang out..being that as more regional economic powers become global economic powers (china, brazil, india in addition to the US and japan), it would be wise for relatively smaller states to band together. denmark is small potatoes when view globally.
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Oh I don't want to acheive anything with you but to expose your delusions.
If I learned anything is that you have many, ranging from climate change to the EU to city sizes (Copenhagen being bigger than Barcelona and all...) Here you are totally smug and confident "let's give it another 5". Don't you realise how ridiculous that sounds? What do you think will happen? Oh yeah: -Belgium splitting up... -France and Germany merging... -UK leaving the EU, after which Denmark finally can because that is what Danes want... -euro collapsing... -reinstatement of the Kalmar Union... -"team up" with Norway... It's hard to pick the most ridiculous delusional one. Back in reality we have: -further integration like the past 30 years -more countries joining the euro like they intent to -Denmark making a decision about joining the euro, after which Sweden probably will also -Iceland joining the EU and euro like they intent to Keep on dreaming about the EU collapsing and the resurrection of ancient unions as an alternative! |
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We have our social system, we have our worker rights and wages and we have fought very hard to get them to those points - what benefits there is from a national point to be an EU member is jeopardizing our social system.. I know European nation can come off quite similar from a far, but on the ground there are great differences and I think Danes are the best ones to decide what is best for the Danes in the future.. and unlike nations such as Germany and France that has gone trough defeat after defeat and is now searching for an identity and to restore their place on the globe, we do have a place, we do know who we are, we have an identity and we like being what we are.. I don't have any beef with the EU as a trade union, but when we constant have to fight legal cases with even basic stuff such as banning transfat acids or having charity to be taxfree then it is more harmful than beneficial to us and I would prefere to get out unless it relaxed a bit.. If I ever put kids in this world I want them to grow up in a nation build on our values that works hard to do the best for them, nor farmers in France or factory workers in Poland.. If the Kingdom subsequently lose out from that stance, so be it - there is more to life than money and might and many nations get's off fine with a fraction of what we have.. as long as people have a place to sleep and food to eat we'll get by, it wouldn't be the first time the Kingdom faced hardship, nor overcame it.. Quote:
As I have also made clear I am very welcoming of referendums, only problem is that the politicians knows the feelings of the Danes and don't dare.. ( we saw that at the European Parliament elections where a majority of Danes voted for EU opposing parties to represent them ) But sooner or later they will have to and I will get to post an "I told you so" post here with a smug smile on my face... Until then I don't see any reason in debating it as we have shown many times before there is no value to it - our opinions differs greatly - let it stay there, it's not like I'm gonna make an Eu sceptic out of you nor you an pro EU fan out of me.. So mate, let's give it some time and see what happens... okay :) |
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