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thenoflyzone Sep 8, 2022 11:35 AM

^

I think they just mean that through the codeshare, EK will get a bit more lift through AC. That's it. I wouldnt read too much into it.

The CTA hasn't given any indication that the bilateral is updated any further from the last update of 2018. With AC's 6x weekly frequencies to DXB this winter, I think all airlines between the U.A.E and Canada are now at capacity.

People_talking Sep 8, 2022 2:18 PM

Flew into Moncton yesterday and Canada Jetlines has fully built check-in counters at YQM with signage, computers, and everything else there. Are they flying to YQM or not? because it certainly isn't bookable.

YYCguys Sep 8, 2022 2:22 PM

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Originally Posted by People_talking (Post 9724650)
Flew into Moncton yesterday and Canada Jetlines has fully built check-in counters at YQM with signage, computers, and everything else there. Are they flying to YQM or not? because it certainly isn't bookable.

They seemed to change their mind about their inaugural route quite late in the game and probably had all the construction and set up underway when they changed their mind. Perhaps YQM will be reinstated in the near future, hence not dismantling everything.

hollywoodcory Sep 8, 2022 3:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9724459)
WS has quietly re-loaded YYC-AMS 3x weekly effective November 14.

Currently not showing on WS.com but is searchable on google flights/the GDS.

WS20 YYC 20:15 - 12:40+1 AMS 789 135
WS21 AMS 14:40 - 15:39 YYC 789 246

https://www.westjet.com/en-ca/news/2...s-to-amsterdam

Currently available until the end of the winter schedule.

MonctonRad Sep 8, 2022 3:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by People_talking (Post 9724650)
Flew into Moncton yesterday and Canada Jetlines has fully built check-in counters at YQM with signage, computers, and everything else there. Are they flying to YQM or not? because it certainly isn't bookable.

Who knows.

They decided at the last minute that their inaugural route would be YYC-YYZ.

It's a mystery. :rolleyes:

Dominion301 Sep 8, 2022 6:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 9724470)
Pem-Air partnered closely with Canadian Airlines. They were flying into Terminal 3 with Canadian handling the gate and checkin counter. When Canadian merged with Air Canada, Pem-Air switch to partnering primarily with American Airlines.

I think they did have an interline with Air Canada.

Ah thanks. In the 80s though I seem to remember them parking at old T2.

Dominion301 Sep 9, 2022 3:27 PM

FlyGTA now offer private jet service between YTZ and YOW multiple times per week:

https://flygta.com/ - just under $6,500 one-way!

I'm guessing they must try and sell one or two surplus seats to the public for a contract they must have with someone.

Dominion301 Sep 10, 2022 1:23 PM

As part of Transat’s latest quarterly report they announced their plans to acquire 4 321XLRs.

MonctonRad Sep 10, 2022 2:29 PM

Winter sun flight schedule has been released for YQM:

Quote:

Fly south with Direct Flights from Greater Moncton this winter!
SEPTEMBER 9, 2022

Greater Moncton, N.B., September 9, 2022 – The Greater Moncton Roméo LeBlanc International Airport (YQM) is pleased to announce that you can fly south this winter with direct flights from YQM to sunny destinations in Cuba, Mexico, Dominican Republic, and Jamaica. Beginning in early February there are options to leave for a variety of sun destinations five days each week this winter with Sunwing or Air Transat. Destinations include weekly flights to Montego Bay and Puerto Plata and, new this year, with Sunwing Airlines a weekly flight to Cayo Coco. As well, there will be flights twice weekly to Varadero, Cancun, and Punta Cana.

“Travel recovery is in full swing and we know travelers have been dreaming about returning to popular sun destinations this winter. We are thrilled to announce these dreams can now become a reality. Thanks to our partner airlines, Sunwing Airlines and Air Transat, we will offer flights to 6 destinations
weekly beginning in early February with 9 flights to sun destinations per week.
Adding Cayo Coco will allow for a direct flight to another destination in Cuba and we anticipate it will be very popular.”, said Courtney Burns, YQM President and CEO.

zahav Sep 10, 2022 3:02 PM

I worked at an airline when I was 22, first job after university when I wanted something fun to do before starting my "career". I was a passenger service agent, so did checkin, arrivals, baggage, and this was in the time before everything was kiosks. It was fun, but after a month or so I moved into operations (at my airline, operations were staffed by passenger agents, not ramp crew). So I did lots of weight and balance, and I literally had no training other than the notes of the person who came before me. I loved it, very challenging but rewarding. I would plan where the bags went, where specific types of cargo went, and when loads were light, I figured out which seats to block off, where people were distributed in the cabin based on the cargo, etc. It was so interesting. But ya, if people think that work is being done by people with ages of training, they're wrong lol... Sorry if that freaks people out, but it's how it is. Airline jobs pay crap, it's not an industry you join for the money, it's becase you want to work there and/or get flight benefits. For me it wasn't the flight benefits, I don't particularly like flying at all. It's the airport that I loved, doing the scheduling, gate assignments, staff distribution... Sounds geeky I know, but I loved it then, and still love it as a personal interest, since I haven't worked at the airport since January 2008 :)

hehehe Sep 10, 2022 4:43 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 9726988)
I worked at an airline when I was 22, first job after university when I wanted something fun to do before starting my "career". I was a passenger service agent, so did checkin, arrivals, baggage, and this was in the time before everything was kiosks. It was fun, but after a month or so I moved into operations (at my airline, operations were staffed by passenger agents, not ramp crew). So I did lots of weight and balance, and I literally had no training other than the notes of the person who came before me. I loved it, very challenging but rewarding. I would plan where the bags went, where specific types of cargo went, and when loads were light, I figured out which seats to block off, where people were distributed in the cabin based on the cargo, etc. It was so interesting. But ya, if people think that work is being done by people with ages of training, they're wrong lol... Sorry if that freaks people out, but it's how it is. Airline jobs pay crap, it's not an industry you join for the money, it's becase you want to work there and/or get flight benefits. For me it wasn't the flight benefits, I don't particularly like flying at all. It's the airport that I loved, doing the scheduling, gate assignments, staff distribution... Sounds geeky I know, but I loved it then, and still love it as a personal interest, since I haven't worked at the airport since January 2008 :)

Customer/public-oriented jobs are always the worst to work. Not surprised to see staffing shortages now. Who wants to drive all the way to the airport and work a crap job for minimum wage?

zahav Sep 10, 2022 6:24 PM

^^ exactly that. You have to at least like the airport environment, the airline itself, or love travel to work passenger service for an airline, because it certainly isn't for the $$. I had a coworker at the time who lived in Abbotsford and drove in everyday! And she didn't even drive, her brother drovr her in and picked her up every shift, and he didn't even work in Richmond or Vancouver! That seemed beyond insane to me, no matter how much you like the industry

hehehe Sep 10, 2022 9:53 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 9727186)
^^ exactly that. You have to at least like the airport environment, the airline itself, or love travel to work passenger service for an airline, because it certainly isn't for the $$. I had a coworker at the time who lived in Abbotsford and drove in everyday! And she didn't even drive, her brother drovr her in and picked her up every shift, and he didn't even work in Richmond or Vancouver! That seemed beyond insane to me, no matter how much you like the industry

Wow, that's definitely not worth it. I almost got a job at an airport but ended up working at a medical clinic nearby instead, which was still terrible. I wonder if most people at airports are av geeks then lol.

Also Lynx is starting 3x weekly YEG-YVR from Oct 31

hehehe Sep 15, 2022 9:17 PM

https://media.aircanada.com/2022-09-...eart-Aerospace
Air Canada to Acquire 30 ES-30 Electric Regional Aircraft from Heart Aerospace

whatnext Sep 15, 2022 9:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hehehe (Post 9732294)
https://media.aircanada.com/2022-09-...eart-Aerospace
Air Canada to Acquire 30 ES-30 Electric Regional Aircraft from Heart Aerospace

Huge lithium ion batteries on planes, what could go wrong?:runaway:

BenYOW Sep 16, 2022 2:18 PM

WestJet has announced its latest series of route cuts: Halifax to Ottawa, Montreal, and St. John's. With the previous announcement of the termination of Halifax to Sydney, I believe this is the end of all WestJet Encore operations in Halifax.

CBC News
Quote:

Flights between Halifax and Montreal will be suspended Oct. 28, while flights from Halifax to Ottawa and St. John's will be suspended in early January.

WestJet announced earlier this summer that flights between Halifax and Charlottetown, Fredericton and Sydney also would be suspended Nov. 15.

Denscity Sep 16, 2022 3:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenYOW (Post 9732833)
WestJet has announced its latest series of route cuts: Halifax to Ottawa, Montreal, and St. John's. With the previous announcement of the termination of Halifax to Sydney, I believe this is the end of all WestJet Encore operations in Halifax.

CBC News

Man Halifax just can't catch a break!

q12 Sep 16, 2022 8:00 PM

ONEX Airlines AKA Westjet is becoming a joke led by this guy:

CEO of Calgary based Westjet........

Quote:

“From a traffic perspective, Calgary – with a population of 1.5 million, a vibrant economy and vibrant culture – is an island. Take away air transport and it would probably shrink to a small village of traders and lumberjacks,” he says.
https://www.flightglobal.com/strateg...150173.article

whatnext Sep 16, 2022 8:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by q12 (Post 9733306)
ONEX Airlines AKA Westjet is becoming a joke led by this guy:

CEO of Calgary based Westjet........



https://www.flightglobal.com/strateg...150173.article

LOL, how to win friends and influence people in your employer's home town.

Thing is, he's not totally wrong. From PWA to today, Calgary has never been a huge market like YYZ or YVR. And he's absolutely right about taking WS back to its roots. Why Gregg Saretsky sought to abandon the proven success model of Southwest in favour of becoming Canadian Airlines V.2 is anybody's guess. But good luck to "returning to a low cost model" particularly in a time of inflation.

casper Sep 16, 2022 8:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 9733320)
LOL, how to win friends and influence people in your employer's home town.

Thing is, he's not totally wrong. From PWA to today, Calgary has never been a huge market like YYZ or YVR. And he's absolutely right about taking WS back to its roots. Why Gregg Saretsky sought to abandon the proven success model of Southwest in favour of becoming Canadian Airlines V.2 is anybody's guess. But good luck to "returning to a low cost model" particularly in a time of inflation.

At the time WestJet reached the limit of where it could go with the Southwest model. Having interline/codeshare arrangement with Delta, KLM and Air France was critical if WestJet wanted to interest business travelers.

WestJet has not abandoned those inter-connections. What they have abandoned is the asperations they had to be a major player between Canada and Europe or a dominate airline in central and eastern Canada.

Reading between the lines in this and other pieces I don't think the growth is going to be on the WestJet side. I think Swoop and Sungwings is where they are going to grow.


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