im sorry...but what does BK means again?

I don't have any interest in talking about LA. I was just responding with my OPINION that it is difficult to "manufacture" a street scene.

I think there is a misconception that Pecto is what revitalized downtown. Obviously downtown started making a comeback after Horton Plaza was built, but downtown residential took off before Petco was ever approved. Yes it created synergy making things happen faster, but it was more like the third major catalyst.

bankruptcy

We've got the whole gang here tonight...lol

True. Little Italy, Marina, Gaslamp would probably have taken off by themselves. Petco is certainly responsible for everything east of 6th Avenue.

^and im damn proud:tup:

GANGS ALL HERE!

I think petco was a bigger player than people give it credit for. Maybe not as a "primary" for ALL of downtown, but especially for East Village.

I absolutely agree with you about East Village

^i dont think people give Horton Plaza enough credit as the should...dweller is right about that revamping downtown...


(East Village is a different story...and i agree that Petco played a huge role there...we would never ever see the types of towers going up there right now had it not been for Petco Park)

i dont think any building will be going on next to the theater as it is surrounded by streets on all sides with the exception of 4th and B. While the building LOOKS really bad, I dont think its so close to collapse that anyone needs to worry about it. If the Theater remains as is, I don't think the revitalization project will stall at all.

While on the subject, I think that whole block could be used better. I think if anything, they should work with the owners of 4th and B and tear that ugly building down. They can just re-incorporate the club into whatever they decide to build there.

I know it was mentioned that the California Theater is historic and all, but I really can't think of any way to use the existing structure positively.

^a hotel i think is (or was) the plan for the theater...


(correct me if im wrong)

There are a lot of things which played a part... the plunge that many new restaurants took, the convention center expansion & surrounding hotels, the trolley service area expansion, etc

It all goes back to the amenities...people followed them...Petco was just another amenity albeit a large one. Staples is the posterchild for how a sports park isn't enough by itself

Horton Plaza......in a way, yes. But the redevelopers of DTSD had a big part in pushing a lot of seedy businesses out of town. That's the way a lot of people viewed San Diego in the 80s and 90s. A place for porn shops etc.

Let's not forget the Convention Center. I think this had equal, if not greater, impact than Horton Plaza.

thats true, i see your point:)

Given the location, I would make it a Mixed-Use tower. At least that's how I'd do it. Think about it, it's almost in the CBD, it's merging with the area that getting some new Residential Towers, there are no Major or first-class hotels around...it's in an excellent location which will be even better once the surrounding blocks are cleaned up. Ground level retail...an awesome club on the back side....That block could be worth A LOT!

^if only someone would take the time...:(

I used to go down to Cuban Cigar factory back in '97 and the area had already come a long way.

Anyone used to go to Little Havana?

^no...but 5th and Island reeks from all the smoke that comes out of place...