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thenoflyzone Dec 2, 2019 9:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 8764625)
Oh hi there AC, YEG is happy to take a 3 x weekly.

End of March is 4 months away. Seems to me if they were going to announce a new route to LHR for S20, they would have announced it by now.

Could very well be they lease the slot out, or double down on YYC-LHR. But again, if it’s the latter they are doing, seems to me they would have loaded the schedules accordingly by now. Hence why I’m leaning towards the former scenario.

Dominion301 Dec 2, 2019 9:57 PM

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Originally Posted by whywhyzee (Post 8764022)
AC was awarded the same amount of slots as last year (154) so they will either lease it or open up another frequency from somehwere. 5x daily from YYZ anyone?

The return of YEG-LHR perhaps now that WS is out of the picture? Most likely scenario I’d say is a 5th daily YYZ.

Has AC been given a “use it or lose it” exemption for YYT and YHZ while the MAX is grounded or are they temporarily leasing them out?

nname Dec 2, 2019 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8764793)
End of March is 4 months away. Seems to me if they were going to announce a new route to LHR for S20, they would have announced it by now.

Could very well be they lease the slot out, or double down on YYC-LHR. But again, if it’s the latter they are doing, seems to me they would have loaded the schedules accordingly by now. Hence why I’m leaning towards the former scenario.

AC had not made a single change to the summer schedule for more than 2 months now, except renumber current Air Georgian flights (7200-7499) into the Jazz range, which was done last week.

Not sure why, it thought it was due to the migration of reservation system, but that was done already...

So far, there had been little changes made for domestic, transborder, and express flights. And there are less Rouge changes than usual...

zahav Dec 3, 2019 4:11 AM

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Originally Posted by whywhyzee (Post 8764624)
You are correct. YVR is down from double daily to single daily. Numbers on the route this year we're horrendous, down by double digit percentages in terms of total pax. Wouldn't be surprised to see BA cut back as well given the results.

BA will not cut back this route, it does very well for them both for traffic and yield. That's why it is one of their A380 routes.

AC numbers weren't horrendous either, the double daily was just too much of a boost and they needed something in between double daily and daily, so they have upgauged to the much larger 777W

nname Dec 3, 2019 7:45 AM

Just as I complained about no change...

AC had add a new daily flight to CDG with A333, shared between YUL and YYZ. The time for the YVR flight had also been changed so the arrival match the new YUL/YYZ time.

So what's AC's plan there? Base on the current schedule, there will be 3 AC A333 (plus 1 77W) parked at CDG at the same time?

Code:

AC806        YVR 1545 - 1050+1 CDG        246
AC807        CDG 1230 - 1340 YVR        357

AC810        YUL 2155 - 1050+1 CDG        246
AC811        CDG 1700 - 1845 YUL        246

AC812        YYZ 2130 - 1050+1 CDG        x246
AC813        CDG 1700 - 1900 YYZ        x246

AC870        YUL 2050 - 0945+1 CDG        D
AC885        CDG 1445 - 1630 YUL        D

* the 77W flights to/from YUL and YYZ are not listed here

whywhyzee Dec 3, 2019 2:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8765124)
BA will not cut back this route, it does very well for them both for traffic and yield. That's why it is one of their A380 routes.

AC numbers weren't horrendous either, the double daily was just too much of a boost and they needed something in between double daily and daily, so they have upgauged to the much larger 777W

During the summer, passenger numbers on YVR-LHR fell significantly vs 2018. June was down 2%, July down 3%, August down 4%, and September down a whopping 17%. Over 10000 fewer passengers flew the route in September this year alone! That's 2% of the total annual passengers lost in one month alone! The route is, by empirical accounts, not doing well at all.

whywhyzee Dec 3, 2019 2:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8765198)
Just as I complained about no change...

AC had add a new daily flight to CDG with A333, shared between YUL and YYZ. The time for the YVR flight had also been changed so the arrival match the new YUL/YYZ time.

So what's AC's plan there? Base on the current schedule, there will be 3 AC A333 (plus 1 77W) parked at CDG at the same time?

Code:

AC806        YVR 1545 - 1050+1 CDG        246
AC807        CDG 1230 - 1340 YVR        357

AC810        YUL 2155 - 1050+1 CDG        246
AC811        CDG 1700 - 1845 YUL        246

AC812        YYZ 2130 - 1050+1 CDG        x246
AC813        CDG 1700 - 1900 YYZ        x246

AC870        YUL 2050 - 0945+1 CDG        D
AC885        CDG 1445 - 1630 YUL        D

* the 77W flights to/from YUL and YYZ are not listed here

I just want to clarify, based in that filing, there will be a second YYZ-CDG flight, 4x weekly. I ran a dummy booking, nothing is reflected yet. Do you know if this plan is set?

thenoflyzone Dec 3, 2019 3:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8765198)
Just as I complained about no change...

AC had add a new daily flight to CDG with A333, shared between YUL and YYZ. The time for the YVR flight had also been changed so the arrival match the new YUL/YYZ time.

So what's AC's plan there? Base on the current schedule, there will be 3 AC A333 (plus 1 77W) parked at CDG at the same time?

Code:

AC806        YVR 1545 - 1050+1 CDG        246
AC807        CDG 1230 - 1340 YVR        357

AC810        YUL 2155 - 1050+1 CDG        246
AC811        CDG 1700 - 1845 YUL        246

AC812        YYZ 2130 - 1050+1 CDG        x246
AC813        CDG 1700 - 1900 YYZ        x246

AC870        YUL 2050 - 0945+1 CDG        D
AC885        CDG 1445 - 1630 YUL        D

* the 77W flights to/from YUL and YYZ are not listed here

So YUL-CDG on AC goes 17 weekly.

AC884 YUL 1750 - 0630+1 CDG D B77W
AC870 YUL 2050 - 0945+1 CDG D A333
AC810 YUL 2155 - 1050+1 CDG 246 A333

AC871 CDG 1055 - 1220 YUL D B77W
AC885 CDG 1445 - 1630 YUL D A333
AC811 CDG 1700 - 1845 YUL 246 A333

YYZ-CDG goes 11 weekly.

Coupled with AF's increases to both YUL (21>>>24 weekly) and YYZ (10>>>14 weekly), and TS's incease on YUL-CDG (14>>>17 weekly), there will be a decent capacity increase from YYZ/YUL to CDG next summer.

Total of 58 weekly from YUL to CDG. If we count SS and LV to ORY, that's 69 weekly between YUL and Paris ! Almost 10 daily flights on average !

If YVR-CDG was doing good, daily service on the route would have been a priority for AC it seems, but the fact they decided to keep it 3x weekly (inaugural season was 4x weekly i believe) means the YVR market can't sustain anymore non stop service to Paris.

hollywoodcory Dec 3, 2019 4:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8765337)
If YVR-CDG was doing good, daily service on the route would have been a priority for AC it seems, but the fact they decided to keep it 3x weekly (inaugural season was 4x weekly i believe) means the YVR market can't sustain anymore non stop service to Paris.

Certainly doesn't help with WS going 6x Weekly on YYC-CDG.

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In other news YEG is finally getting its moment to shine with 2x Weekly DE YEG-FRA launching in June.
https://condor-newsroom.condor.com/e...for-booking-1/

p_xavier Dec 3, 2019 6:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8765337)
So YUL-CDG on AC goes 17 weekly.

AC884 YUL 1750 - 0630+1 CDG D B77W
AC870 YUL 2050 - 0945+1 CDG D A333
AC810 YUL 2155 - 1050+1 CDG 246 A333

AC871 CDG 1055 - 1220 YUL D B77W
AC885 CDG 1445 - 1630 YUL D A333
AC811 CDG 1700 - 1845 YUL 246 A333

YYZ-CDG goes 11 weekly.

Coupled with AF's increases to both YUL (21>>>24 weekly) and YYZ (10>>>14 weekly), and TS's incease on YUL-CDG (14>>>17 weekly), there will be a decent capacity increase from YYZ/YUL to CDG next summer.

Total of 58 weekly from YUL to CDG. If we count SS and LV to ORY, that's 69 weekly between YUL and Paris ! Almost 10 daily flights on average !

If YVR-CDG was doing good, daily service on the route would have been a priority for AC it seems, but the fact they decided to keep it 3x weekly (inaugural season was 4x weekly i believe) means the YVR market can't sustain anymore non stop service to Paris.

Finally some interesting times to get to/from CDG with AC.

thenoflyzone Dec 3, 2019 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8765391)

In other news YEG is finally getting its moment to shine with 2x Weekly DE YEG-FRA launching in June.
https://condor-newsroom.condor.com/e...for-booking-1/

Condor is also resuming summer seasonal MUC-YHZ after a 2 year hiatus. 1x weekly friday service on board B763. Service begins June 5, 2020.

DE2418 MUC1720 - 2010YHZ 5 B763
DE2419 YHZ2210 - 1015+1MUC 5 B763

q12 Dec 3, 2019 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8765834)
Condor is also resuming summer seasonal MUC-YHZ after a 2 year hiatus. 1x weekly friday service on board B763.

http://condor-newsroom.condor.com/en...for-booking-1/

Wow the list of non-stop European destinations from Halifax this summer continues to grow:

London Heathrow - Air Canada
London Gatwick - Westjet
Manchester - Westjet
Glasgow - Westjet
Dublin - Westjet
Paris - Westjet
Frankfurt - Condor
Munich - Condor

Reykjavik - Icelandair*
This route may return when the 737 Max 8 gets the green light to return to service. Although they will be up against some major competition for transatlantic passengers out of YHZ.

YYCguys Dec 4, 2019 7:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by q12 (Post 8765850)
Wow the list of non-stop European destinations from Halifax this summer continues to grow:

London Heathrow - Air Canada
London Gatwick - Westjet
Manchester - Westjet
Glasgow - Westjet
Dublin - Westjet
Paris - Westjet
Frankfurt - Condor
Munich - Condor

Reykjavik - Icelandair*
This route may return when the 737 Max 8 gets the green light to return to service. Although they will be up against some major competition for transatlantic passengers out of YHZ.

Manchester!!!! Cool! When did that get announced?

hollywoodcory Dec 4, 2019 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 8766319)
Manchester!!!! Cool! When did that get announced?

It hasn't been announced officially yet. Supposedly starting June 1 with daily service on 7M8.

plrh Dec 4, 2019 1:21 PM

Does Condor run a330s to YHZ?

q12 Dec 4, 2019 2:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by plrh (Post 8766381)
Does Condor run a330s to YHZ?

767-300ERs

thenoflyzone Dec 4, 2019 4:28 PM

YUL finally posted September and October stats:

September 2019

Total:1,802,620 +4.2%

Domestic: 659,793 +0.9%
International: 778,802 +8.4%
Transborder: 364,025 +1.5%

October 2019

Total:1,623,495 +1.4%

Domestic: 627,650 -1.3%
International: 622,168 +5.0%
Transborder: 373,677 +0.2%

YTD : 17,349,957 +4.4%

Source: https://www.admtl.com/sites/default/...et_2019_EN.pdf

Coldrsx Dec 4, 2019 5:52 PM

Frankfurt, 3 December 2019 - Condor is topping up its 2020 summer flight schedule: Germany's most popular leisure airline will be flying non-stop from Frankfurt to Edmonton in Canada for the first time as of June 2020. Flights to the capital of the Canadian province of Alberta can be booked from 349.99 euros per person one-way and are offered every Monday and Thursday.
New destination from Frankfurt: Edmonton
With the inclusion of the Canadian megacity of Edmonton in the 2020 summer flight schedule, Condor's Canada services will be expanded to a total of six destinations: In addition to Edmonton, Germany's most popular leisure airline will also be flying to Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver and Whitehorse from Frankfurt and Halifax from Frankfurt and Munich.
Edmonton is one of the northernmost cities in the world and is considered the gateway to the Rocky Mountains due to its geographical location. Situated along both banks of the North Saskatchewan River, Edmonton's summers are long, pleasant and with average temperatures of 20 degrees, only partly cloudy. The capital of the Canadian province of Alberta, Edmonton, offers many musical festivals and a variety of cultural activities for young and old, including more than 60 museums and galleries. In addition, numerous skyscrapers shape the image of the city, including the 130-metre-high Bell Tower in the centre of the metropolis

http://condor-newsroom.condor.com/en...h-for-booking/

yyzer Dec 4, 2019 6:00 PM

Big news for YYZ, Mississauga, Toronto, and the GTA... Bombardier will be opening a 1 million square foot factory at Pearson, to assemble their Global Business Jet, creating thousands of new high paying jobs here... :)

https://www.wingsoverquebec.com/?p=9...2hw07tLNH0dwaU

I think this will be at the site of the former McDonnell Douglas facility..

esquire Dec 4, 2019 8:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 8766636)
Frankfurt, 3 December 2019 - Condor is topping up its 2020 summer flight schedule: Germany's most popular leisure airline will be flying non-stop from Frankfurt to Edmonton in Canada for the first time as of June 2020. Flights to the capital of the Canadian province of Alberta can be booked from 349.99 euros per person one-way and are offered every Monday and Thursday.
New destination from Frankfurt: Edmonton
With the inclusion of the Canadian megacity of Edmonton in the 2020 summer flight schedule, Condor's Canada services will be expanded to a total of six destinations: In addition to Edmonton, Germany's most popular leisure airline will also be flying to Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver and Whitehorse from Frankfurt and Halifax from Frankfurt and Munich.
Edmonton is one of the northernmost cities in the world and is considered the gateway to the Rocky Mountains due to its geographical location. Situated along both banks of the North Saskatchewan River, Edmonton's summers are long, pleasant and with average temperatures of 20 degrees, only partly cloudy. The capital of the Canadian province of Alberta, Edmonton, offers many musical festivals and a variety of cultural activities for young and old, including more than 60 museums and galleries. In addition, numerous skyscrapers shape the image of the city, including the 130-metre-high Bell Tower in the centre of the metropolis

http://condor-newsroom.condor.com/en...h-for-booking/

Random that they opted to highlight the Bell Tower?!

Congrats to YEG!


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