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Avianca is pulling out of O'hare entirely, ending non-stop service to Bogota and Guatemala City this summer. that will leave ORD with non-stop service to only one SA city: Sao Paulo on United. |
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another new international route for ORD has been approved by the USDT!
Chicago - Chengdu via Hainan Airlines. Chengdu is deep into the interior of china. currently all of ORD's flights to china serve more coastal markets (beijing, shanghai, & hong kong). no word on when service might start. https://twitter.com/airlineroute/sta...816861185?s=21 |
http://studiogang.com/project/ohare-...lobal-terminal
It's interesting to see the pictures paired with the sectional diagram of the terminal. Also, arriving and departing passengers are segregated on different levels as they go from landslide to airside and vice versa. International arrivals travel via the second story sterile corridor to customs which is next to baggage claim, while domestic passengers travel via ground level. It also looks like the retail roofs are doubling as the floor for the sterile corridor in some sections, but I could be seeing that wrong... Overall, I have to say that Studio ORD's design excels at crowd control and foot traffic flow. |
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just keeping some tabs on upcoming changes in ORD's international service:
adds: Puerto Vallarta - seasonally on Volaris (starts May 5th) - UA, AA, and Frontier all currently fly to PV seasonally from ORD Athens - seasonally on AA (starts May 10th) Chengdu - on Hainan (starts May 10th) Lisbon - on TAP (starts June 1st) Barcelona - seasonally on Norwegian (starts on june 7th) - AA currently flies to Barcelona seasonally from ORD Querétaro, Mexico - on Volaris (starts on June 16th) - Volaris currently flies this route out of MDW, but is switching it over to ORD Tel Aviv - on El Al (starts March 22nd, 2020) deducts: Bogota - Avianca (ends on May 1st) Guatemala City - Avianca (ends on June 1st) - AA will continue to fly to Guatemala City from ORD while the Bogota loss is not cool, on balance the new international pick-ups are a very big net positive for ORD. |
Not an exact comparison, but you get the idea.
http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/t...B25C9233E7.jpg Ugh, photobombed by photobucket |
Foster was my first choice because of the airfield views - I really hated Gang's design because it was all about the interior. It's a fantastic interior no doubt, but the airfield facing windows are short and it doesn't seem like aircraft will be visible from a distance unless you're at the gate. I can tolerate feeling like I'm in a mall, as long as I see the planes.
The planes that will park at terminal 2 will be the greatest feats of aviation engineering, they will be the largest planes used for international flight, and they will carry flags from all over the world. The aircraft should be seen and celebrated - the airport is about THEM -magnificent ships that traverse the world at unimaginable speed and height. Instead, Gang made the airport about her/her team, or about trees and wood, or whatever the hell they were thinking of - but it sure wasn't aviation. Terminal 2's location near the two most active parallel runways would've been great to see simultaneous takeoffs and landings as well. Gang missed an opportunity to capture the grandeur of aviation. As domestic flight has become a miserable experience, international trips, and the aircraft that make those trips, are the last remaining experiences in civil aviation that still carry some golden age romance to them. Studio ORD doesn't capture any of it. https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnb...g?v=1510065573 |
i fully agree. Foster of all the proposals was really the only one that tried to at least rekindle and honor the romance and nostalgia of air travel, and tried to forge a connection between the traveler and what it was they were actually participating in. who needs CNN blathering at the loading gates when you can disconnect from that nonsense entirely and just enjoy the simple childlike pleasure of watching planes takeoff and land. thats why i voted for it as well. it directed itself, and the air traveler, outward rather than inward. im still fairly bummed thats not the one we'll be getting. i think it had the most potential to truly set itself apart as something really unique and showstopping on the global stage. Gang's design i just dont feel reaches those heights, and at the end of the day will just blend into the background as a "new modern terminal" in a sea of new modern terminals but without anything super declarative to say about itself, especially in the context of aviation. it ticks the boxes of everything the selection committee wanted, but dosent rise above that in the intangible way that great works of architecture do.
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i was pretty close to doing that new Lisbon route. during the times i was looking to go in August it was simply much cheaper to do a layover, but if you go in October its seriously affordable (like $600 round trip)
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Column: An escalating problem: Jeanne Gang's O'Hare design looks anything but stress-free, especially for wheelchair users
By Blair Kamin Chicago Tribune April 4, 2019 https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...406-story.html "Gang proposes to have departing travelers ride up escalators to a raised check-in and security floor, then take escalators down to gate level." --- Studio ORD's design is looking more like a total clusterf*** and Kamin is trying to sink it. I hope he does. Has she ever been on an international flight or stood in line to check in bags? International passengers, especially families, have carts loads of luggage when they are checking in. A family of four with 2 kids and six suitcases going to get dropped off will have to wait in the most massively backlogged elevator line, ever, because the elevator will be the only way to get those luggage carts up to that level, especially with kids. The most basic principle of any design is to NOT have to do that with luggage carts. What a joke. Lightfoot needs to re-open the process, OR select the plan that was done by a real, accomplished, airport terminal design firm (foster). It boggles me how disconnected these architects are from reality, and the fact that they couldn't hire an airport consultant to come up with practical considerations. |
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His point was that THIS design, which Gang discussed at length, was the one accepted. It isn't just conceptual, and even if it is, a MAJOR part of the design is the airy and open arrivals hall, which can only happen with raising the departure level.
That said, with the important exception of differently abled people, I think he is clutching his pearls a bit. He worries about not only those in wheelchairs and with other limits to mobility, but the general traveler. Well guess what? I am a general traveler and when I take the Blue Line I take THREE escalators or sets of stairs to get to the departure level. I do think he doesn't like the Gang design generally and especially dislikes the selection process and is using his column to rile things up, which is irritating. |
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Every single disabled O'Hare traveler must change levels at some point in the process. The main advantage of the Gang design over others is that travelers are separated based on their direction of travel to ease congestion and collisions. And all the gates in T2 are equidistant from T1 and T3 gates. Not to mention families with kids and lots of luggage tend to bring the family car, which means you either have to put ticketing on the skybridge level, or you force them to take an elevator down to the 2nd level. |
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The opinions laid out by Kamin are garbage. Aaron (Glowrock) |
The Schipol train station in Amsterdam has these awesome ramp escalators that are really easy to use with luggage.
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I'm getting the feeling that a number of people are peeved she was picked, but not for any really defensible reason. Hence that whiny Kamin screed about how we need to not have escalators in an airport already FULL of them.
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"Wait, you mean I can't go from my private car to my first class plane seat all on one level? How barbaric!!" |
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ORD Springtime airline equipment change news:
Finnair is back using their A330's on service to ORD from Helsinki. British Airways A380 is back on the London route. Iberia will upgrade to a A350 next month. Lufthansa has already upgraded 1 flight to the A350. KLM is now using the 787 9 on Chicago route along with 777-300 and 747. TAP starts service June 1st with A330 service to Lisbon |
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Chicago O’Hare The BA A380 will fly to Chicago O’Hare daily on flights BA213 & BA212 for the summer season from Sunday 31 March 2019 to Saturday 26 October 2019. Will BA order more Airbus A380s? This decision rests with BA’s parent company, International Airlines Group. It has options for a further 7 aircraft, which it has not yet exercised. IAG had expressed an interest in leasing second hand Airbus A380s, but nothing has come of this. ... https://londonairtravel.com/2019/01/...bus-a380-2019/ |
So I think I remember reading somewhere saying that Emanuel wanted to select the full O'hare expansion designs before he leaves office, including the mid-field terminals. I also thought I remember reading where the would essentially be a consolation prize for those who didn't win the main terminal design.
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Asiana Airlines Cuts Chicago, Other Unprofitable Routes
This is a bit of a blow to what has been a rather good year for ORD. I wonder if United may consider taking up this route seeing as Asiana is a fellow Star Alliance member? "Asiana Airlines will be discontinuing their flight between Seoul Incheon and Chicago as of October 27, 2019." https://onemileatatime.com/asiana-ai...chicago-route/ |
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Quote: Asiana is in financial trouble, because of the mother group Kumho. They are cutting the Seoul-Chicago route, not because the occupancy rate is too low to make profit, since it has average of 80% of occupancy, but because their occupancy rate for SFO and LAX is average of 90%, so Chicago route is not so profitable compare to LAX and SFO route. Another reason is there is severe competition with Korean Air for Chicago route. So they want to cut it after summer high season, when so many Korean students return to US schools. |
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When will construction start
Don't see any specific time lines on the ORD21 website about when specific phases will start.
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Not ORD or MDW news but Chicago-Rockford Intl, Pinnacle/Amazon is adding another 500 jobs.
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Now all we need is a regional airport authority to take over control of all three airports like they do in every other big city metro area in the USA so they can work together rather than against each other. |
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Ideally the State of Indiana could step in and offer to help fund a speculative terminal (on the south side of the airfield, with a skybridge over the toll road to South Shore platforms) in exchange for one or two board seats being stripped away from Gary... they just cut a similar deal with South Shore, an honest-to-god commercial airport along the South Shore could seriously boost ridership and justify the state's investment in the railroad. |
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I cant believe that it is the fault of the Gary (GYY) governance that this airport has not matured. The GM at GYY is the former GM at RFD so he knows the market. Why have vacation airlines of Allegiant and Apple rejected GYY? SWA could set up shop their, Frontier, Spirit even Delta could operate out of GYY. I think it is simply the marketplace at work. The market around GYY is non-existent, the closer to GYY the fewer flying passenger. As the crow fly further from GYY the closer the resident is to other more attractive airports, including South Bend on the eastern side of GYY. The fact is that SWA and Frontier and Delta are finding that Milwaukee Mitchell is more to their liking to access a much larger base of passengers. And they do not see the need to add another port in the Chicago region. Delta is at ORD, MDW and MKE. AA & UA & Frontier are at MKE and ORD. SWA is at MDW & MKE. Even Volaris operates at MKE and MDW. Nothing is preventing any operator from setting up shop in GYY - nothing is attracting them either. |
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Now, if Indiana could get their act together and the prices were cheap enough traffic would emerge. While Gary withers away, there is a huge population in the surrounding areas, and the option of quick transit into Chicago after a cheap-o flight could work. Certainly, I'd rather see Gary develop than to bring Peotone back to life - I thought is was dead, but now some are talking about it again. |
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Peotone is also in the path of the worst weather around the Chicagoland area. To bad the foolish lawmakers in Indiana cannot come to an agreement for northern Indiana and the Gary airport. That airport could become a cashcow, but instead they live and love central and southern Indiana and neglect the north. Maybe that's for the best as do we really want Indiana getting part of the Illinois tax base?? |
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O’Hare western access tollway planned for field where Flight 191 crashed 40 years ago 40-acre parcel where American Airlines jet went down is critical in plan for long-promised entry to airport By David Roeder@RoederDavid May 24, 2019, 11:01am CDT https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/I7Ds...3_100005.0.jpg Quote:
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