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casper Sep 28, 2021 6:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9409351)
Swoop adding YYZ-PUJ 2x weekly: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...823323997.html

Yawn!

Wonder if the "swoop" model even works. When I think of PUJ I think of bundled packages from AirTransat or Sungwing. Not clear I would buy the air and hotel separately.

Calfan12 Sep 28, 2021 7:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 9409514)
There is similar restriction in Canada. Currently China-Canada flights are allowed at most 6x weekly from each side (Before the restriction, China operates 12x weekly while Canada operates 2x weekly... Canada should still have 2 unused frequency, not sure if it's allocated to AC or WS). China doe not allow Canada to operate non-stop flights into Beijing (which AC wants), and thus Canada also does not allow China to operate non-stop flights to Beijing (result in cancellation of inbound non-stop flights YVR->PEK on CA and YYZ->PEK on HU).

Air Canada is the only Canada airlines that that has China nonstop flights✈️. The unused frenqencies are allocated for to AC.

WestJet is more focus on Mexico,Sun destinations & Europe currently for its international flights currently.

hehehe Sep 28, 2021 9:50 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 9409613)
Wonder if the "swoop" model even works. When I think of PUJ I think of bundled packages from AirTransat or Sungwing. Not clear I would buy the air and hotel separately.

They're partnering with Sunwing I believe.
https://www.flyswoop.com/news/sunwin...rs-with-swoop/

JakeLRS Sep 29, 2021 2:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9409351)
Swoop adding YYZ-PUJ 2x weekly: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...823323997.html

Yawn!

YHM has been getting the leftovers again...

Its like we've seen this before when two other carriers moved from YHM to YYZ...

Calfan12 Sep 30, 2021 9:05 AM

Lufthansa's Munich - Vancouver route got extended end of March 2021, 3x weekly using the A359. https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/s...521923590?s=20

Interesting Lufthansa Vancouver- Munich Germany flights are year round from Western Canada. There must be enough passengers & cargo demand to make it work.

That’s why I would not be surprised *if* WestJet (WS) starts up Summer Seasonal Calgary- Munich Germany flights from Western Canada using its 787’s up to 2-3 weekly to compete with Lufthansa on it eventually. WestJet doesn’t have Germany flights yet, but Munich is more likely for them rather than competing with Air Canada on Calgary-Frankfurt routing.

Tg11 Sep 30, 2021 11:14 AM

I wonder about other airlines then like Alitalia, KLM or American Airlines

thenoflyzone Sep 30, 2021 1:05 PM

Lufthansa Group (not just LH) has seen North Atlantic ticket sales triple, now that Canada is open to fully vaccinated travellers and the US is opening up as well come November.

LH Group flights that are resuming in Canada in the next month.

-Austrian resumes YUL tomorrow. Initially 3x weekly, up to 4x weekly as of November.
-LH resumes MUC-YUL on Oct 31. 5x weekly

And now LH MUC-YVR going year round. All signs LH Group is trying to capitalize on the rebound that is happening in the TATL market. In the US, they are seeing strong demand to NY and Florida.

By comparison, Asia-Pac region for LH group (and most European or NA carriers, to be honest) is dead.

Come November, LH Group will have more flights to New York and ORD than to the entire Asia-Pac region combined.

thewave46 Sep 30, 2021 1:32 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9411310)
Lufthansa Group (not just LH) has seen North Atlantic ticket sales triple, now that Canada is open to fully vaccinated travellers and the US is opening up as well come November.

Come November, LH Group will have more flights to New York and ORD than to the entire Asia-Pac region combined.

The US I could understand, especially the southern states for the winter. Winter tourism in Canada? Aside from the mountains? I have a harder time with believing that.

It's also fun to wonder where the baseline for triple is as many airports in Canada have posted absolutely huge year-over-year gains due to having basically no passengers from the year prior.

Alexcaban Sep 30, 2021 1:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9411262)
Lufthansa's Munich - Vancouver route got extended end of March 2021, 3x weekly using the A359. https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/s...521923590?s=20

Interesting Lufthansa Vancouver- Munich Germany flights are year round from Western Canada. There must be enough passengers & cargo demand to make it work.

That’s why I would not be surprised *if* WestJet (WS) starts up Summer Seasonal Calgary- Munich Germany flights from Western Canada using its 787’s up to 2-3 weekly to compete with Lufthansa on it eventually. WestJet doesn’t have Germany flights yet, but Munich is more likely for them rather than competing with Air Canada on Calgary-Frankfurt routing.

Compete with what exactly? MUC is a Star hub, WJ has absolutely no feed on the otherside, and I'm pretty sure YYC doesn't have the market to fill a 789 on just O&D to MUC.

thenoflyzone Sep 30, 2021 2:44 PM

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Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9411334)
The US I could understand, especially the southern states for the winter. Winter tourism in Canada? Aside from the mountains? I have a harder time with believing that.

It's also fun to wonder where the baseline for triple is as many airports in Canada have posted absolutely huge year-over-year gains due to having basically no passengers from the year prior.

For Canada, the majority of the demand is probably the other way around for winter. Canada>Europe. The fact Europeans can now travel to Canada shouldn't be brushed under the table either. There was pent-up demand for sure. Either way you slice it, LH group is seeing something, considering the aforementioned routes are all starting in Oct, usually a weakish travel month.

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Originally Posted by Alexcaban (Post 9411347)
Compete with what exactly? MUC is a Star hub, WJ has absolutely no feed on the otherside, and I'm pretty sure YYC doesn't have the market to fill a 789 on just O&D to MUC.

Exactly. Unlike AMS/CDG/FCO, where WS has a codeshare or interline partner, they have none of that at MUC. So they would need to rely purely on O&D alone from western Canada to MUC to fill the flight. With LH just upping YVR to year round, it will be hard for WS to penetrate that market and gain a significant share of the pie, without onward feed.

London, England can work with O&D alone. Not sure MUC can from YYC. They'll probably have more success with a route like BCN, where leisure demand from Canada far outweighs MUC.

Alexcaban Sep 30, 2021 5:36 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9411422)
For Canada, the majority of the demand is probably the other way around for winter. Canada>Europe. The fact Europeans can now travel to Canada shouldn't be brushed under the table either. There was pent-up demand for sure. Either way you slice it, LH group is seeing something, considering the aforementioned routes are all starting in Oct, usually a weakish travel month.



Exactly. Unlike AMS/CDG/FCO, where WS has a codeshare or interline partner, they have none of that at MUC. So they would need to rely purely on O&D alone from western Canada to MUC to fill the flight. With LH just upping YVR to year round, it will be hard for WS to penetrate that market and gain a significant share of the pie, without onward feed.

London, England can work with O&D alone. Not sure MUC can from YYC. They'll probably have more success with a route like BCN, where leisure demand from Canada far outweighs MUC.

And to mention, not even FCO anymore seeing as AZ has 2 weeks left.

As of now I can't find anything that mentions if ITA will be part of an alliance.

hollywoodcory Sep 30, 2021 6:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexcaban (Post 9411692)
And to mention, not even FCO anymore seeing as AZ has 2 weeks left.

As of now I can't find anything that mentions if ITA will be part of an alliance.

WS didn’t really have much of a relationship with AZ to begin with. I don’t think they were after onwards connections at FCO.

Dominion301 Sep 30, 2021 7:05 PM

The first minute of this video of Vancouver from 1985 has come retro shots of aircraft at YVR starting with an Expo '86 CP 747 landing. Also just past the 13 minute mark there's a bit of Abbotsford Airshow coverage.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=25...ideo&ref=notif

Coldrsx Sep 30, 2021 7:54 PM

That's pretty neat; thanks for sharing.

thenoflyzone Sep 30, 2021 9:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9411771)
WS didn’t really have much of a relationship with AZ to begin with. I don’t think they were after onwards connections at FCO.

FCO, like LHR/LGW, can work on O&D alone as well, albeit seasonally.

SteelTown Sep 30, 2021 10:23 PM

DHL Express on September 28 officially opened the doors to its new facility in Hamilton, Ontario, located at the John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport. The company invested $100 million to build the new facility, four times the size of the original building also located at Hamilton International Airport, in order to meet significant increase in shipping volumes.

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Originally Posted by ScreamingViking (Post 9410254)
And as one part of Hamilton's steelmaking era ends... a part of its growing air freight industry begins:


An inside look at DHL’s new $100-million sorting facility
https://www.thespec.com/business/202...-facility.html

John Rennison
The Hamilton Spectator
Wed., Sept. 29, 2021


https://images.thestar.com/bZQ6koiZp...y/_jlr8977.jpg

https://images.thestar.com/yyiPqqkza...y/_jlr8992.jpg

https://images.thestar.com/r30d2f1vL...y/_jlr9007.jpg

https://images.thestar.com/HLsMmMtFY...y/_jlr9030.jpg


Details from the story:
- Located at 65 East Cargo Rd.
- DHL's largest sorting facility in Canada
- One of four in N. America that's fully-automated
- Employs almost 400
- Can process 28,000 packages/hour
- 238,000 square feet of warehouse space
- 1.75 km of conveyor belts
- 6 electric forklifts

Hamilton Airport officials see nothing but yellow sunshine with DHL's $100-million expansion

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He said plans are already underway within the massive building to increase the hub area. He said proposals are to expand it in 2022, because “this was one of the smoothest (relocation) transitions of any building in the DHL network.”

Bargotra said DHL can double the capacity within a year, possibly hitting 200,000 packages.

thenoflyzone Oct 2, 2021 3:24 AM

First casualty of the FAA slot waiver for winter 2021-2022.

DL has zeroed out all YUL-LGA flights until April. Will be interesting to see if other Canada-US flights get cut because of this.

(This only affects flights to JFK, DCA, LGA, LAX, SFO, ORD and EWR, which are all the slot controlled or schedule facilitated airports in the US)

https://paxex.aero/us-airport-slot-w...international/

Dominion301 Oct 2, 2021 5:28 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9413183)
First casualty of the FAA slot waiver for winter 2021-2022.

DL has zeroed out all YUL-LGA flights until April. Will be interesting to see if other Canada-US flights get cut because of this.

(This only affects flights to JFK, DCA, LGA, LAX, SFO, ORD and EWR, which are all the slot controlled or schedule facilitated airports in the US)

https://paxex.aero/us-airport-slot-w...international/

Given the FAA will base exemptions on the winter 2019-20 IATA season, will be interesting to see if they allow DL to still retain unused slots that were formerly used for flights to YOW and YHZ, two airports DL have stated are “suspended indefinitely”?

Unfortunately on the domestic slots it’ll lead to environmentally unfriendly slot squatting.

hollywoodcory Oct 3, 2021 1:46 AM

AC has increased YYZ-DEL to 10x weekly starting in November and loaded until March.

AC48 YYZ 09:00 - 09:25+1 DEL 789 246
AC49 DEL 11:35 - 16:10 YYZ 789 357

nname Oct 3, 2021 6:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9413731)
AC has increased YYZ-DEL to 10x weekly starting in November and loaded until March.

AC48 YYZ 09:00 - 09:25+1 DEL 789 246
AC49 DEL 11:35 - 16:10 YYZ 789 357

Hmm... seems like AC now update their schedule on Saturday night/Sunday morning? I just checked mid-day Saturday and they didn't have this change...

YYZ-BOM, on the other hand, had been removed for the winter.

Before: 7x 77W DEL, 4x 77L BOM
After: 10x 789 DEL


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