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Duck From NY Jun 14, 2013 12:45 AM


Originally Posted by WestSideGuy (Post 6163224)
Move the Rangers out of The Garden??? To the Bronx??? That idea makes totally no sense. The Islanders as well, it is difficult enough they are moving to Barclays and now the Long Island, car driving fan base will have to take the LIRR to the games, now you want to suggest moving them to the Bronx? Another bad idea!

It would be a cool setting for a professional franchise though

NYguy Jun 14, 2013 2:13 AM


Originally Posted by WestSideGuy (Post 6163224)
Move the Rangers out of The Garden??? To the Bronx??? That idea makes totally no sense. The Islanders as well, it is difficult enough they are moving to Barclays

Nothing at all difficult about taking a train to the game. The LIRR exists to bring people from Long Island into the city. And now more people will have access to those games at Barclays.

But no, you don't want to move the Rangers away from similar transportation.

NYguy Jul 24, 2013 10:54 PM

Canadian fingerprints all over New York ice

Jul. 09 2013


Looming eight subway stops north of Yankee Stadium is a brick, stone and concrete monstrosity called The Kingsbridge Armory, built almost a century ago in the Bronx to discourage civil unrest and to train soldiers. With turrets and cupolas, the armoury looks like a medieval castle. In front is an empty moat. Inside the basement and office wing, Kingsbridge feels like a haunted house, with bullet-pocked walls and dark, narrow halls displaying decades of graffiti.

But to Mark Messier and Sarah Hughes, in co-operation with private investors and New York City, the armoury represents a vision that could turbocharge hockey and figure skating in a metropolitan area of nearly 20 million people.

Messier (in the Hockey Hall of Fame) and Hughes (an Olympic gold medalist for the United States in 2002) are equity partners promoting The Kingsbridge National Ice Center, to open in five years with nine full-sized skating rinks under one huge roof.

The building is on a major train line and near several busy highways. Messier said it will attract not only neighbourhood youth and local leagues, but also top tournaments from around the United States and the world.

Backers hope the biggest ice facility on Earth will make money and diversify the ethnic culture of ice sports.
That may sound grandiose, as optimistic as Messier’s promise two decades ago to lead the New York Rangers to the Stanley Cup. Messier delivered on that pledge in 1994, the team’s only championship since 1940. And he said last week that triumph could have meant much more.

....Messier is from Edmonton and Hughes’s father is from Toronto, but they are not the only participants with Canadian roots in a project involving $275-million (all currency U.S.) from developers and $30-million from the city.

The designer will be Murray Beynon of Toronto, whose BBB Architects oversaw construction of what was then called SkyDome in Toronto. Having designed Rogers Arena in Vancouver and Air Canada Centre in Toronto, Beynon’s firm is rebuilding New York’s Madison Square Garden from the inside out.

Beynon has called the Madison Square Garden project “a Rubik’s Cube of surprises” and “a herculean task.” The ancient armoury will be complicated in different ways, and Beynon sounds enthused. “It’s spectacular,” he said of the armoury’s interior. “Fabulous structure. It’s phenomenal.” He called the exterior “imposing” and “almost awe-inspiring.”

Of the project’s design, Beynon added: “We’ve been going pretty well full tilt for three months. We’re into the details.”

Ground breaking is scheduled for 2014, after final civic approval, which should be smooth in that New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg welcomed the developers in a news conference on April 23.

Editorial: Welcome to a renaissance in the Bronx



Today the Bronx is burning with ambition.

The Trump Golf Links at Ferry Point is poised to open near Throgs Neck next year. The new Bronx Terminal Market shopping complex near Yankee Stadium is a home run. And Thursday State Comptroller Thomas P. DiNapoli released a report showing that private-sector employment in the borough grew by 7.7 percent between 2007 and 2012 -- a pace outstripped only by Brooklyn.

It's quite an achievement. For decades the borough's urban decay was defined by the building fires caught on camera during Game 2 of the 1977 World Series. A few days before that game, President Jimmy Carter had stood in a rubble-strewn lot on Charlotte Street and demanded federal action to help rescue beleaguered cities.

Now -- in the past three decades -- the Bronx has seen a 33 percent gain in jobs and a 20 percent gain in residents.

But the most intriguing idea on the drawing board today is a $275-million plan to turn the 750,000-square-foot Kingsbridge Armory, built in 1917, into what promoters are calling the largest indoor ice-skating and hockey complex on Earth. The Kingsbridge National Ice Center will offer nine year-round ice rinks, a 5,000-seat arena, and major hockey and skating events. Former Rangers star Mark Messier and Olympic figure skater Sarah Hughes have signed on as two of the center's public faces.

Backers say they'll devote 50,000 square feet to community uses -- great for introducing big-city kids to the demanding sports of skating and hockey. Promoters predict the place will draw more than 2 million visitors annually.

So why the Bronx? Why not the Bronx? The armory is a unique, landmarked space in the heart of America's largest regional economy and media epicenter. Though an earlier plan for a $310-million shopping complex in the building foundered in a nasty living-wage fight, the ice center is a strong backup and far less loaded with political tripwires.

As DiNapoli notes, challenges remain in the borough. Unemployment and poverty rates are still too high and educational attainment is still too low. But the renaissance is under way -- and that's extraordinary news.

chris08876 Jul 27, 2013 6:26 PM

Bronx BP Shows Support For Armory Ice Rink Plan
Bronx BP Shows Support For Armory Ice Rink Plan

New Yorkers could soon be strapping on a pair of skates at the Kingsbridge Armory after Bronx Borough President Ruben Diaz Jr. confirmed Thursday he will back a plan to turn the landmark armory into a skating rink.
If approved, there would be nine ice rinks with a 5,000-seat capacity.
This would make it one of the largest indoor ice sports centers in the world.
Concerts and other sporting events could also be held at the building, which the military used until 1996.
It's been left mostly vacant since.

High-profile investors for the proposed rink include gold medal-winning figure skater Sarah Hughes and New York Rangers Stanley Cup champion Mark Messier, who noted the youth skating initiative associated with the project. -

Diaz himself was opposed to the retail plan, because it did not guarantee workers a so-called "living wage" of at least $10 an hour.
The city is expected to make a decision on the building this fall.

Roger Clark, 08/23/2012,

NYguy Nov 6, 2013 11:35 PM

Ice, Ice Baby: City Planning Commission Approves Plan to Convert Bronx Armory to Ice Skating Mecca

By Chris Pomorski


The City Planning Commission voted unanimously today to approve the conversion of the long-dormant Kingsbridge Armory, in the Bronx, to the world’s largest indoor ice skating arena. The 750,000 square-foot facility, which passed muster with Bronx Community Board 7 in September, is due to include two levels containing nine rinks. One will reportedly play host to hockey tournaments and Ice Capades-variety extravaganzas.

Following the vote, Mark Messier, the New York Ranger captain and current CEO of the Kingsbridge National Ice Center—as the armory will be known—touted the support of both Borough President Ruben Diaz and the Landmarks Preservation Commission. “Today’s unanimous vote by the City Planning Commission once again demonstrates the overwhelming and still growing support for this project in the Bronx and throughout New York City,” Mr. Messier gushed in a statement.

The ice center, too, took some flack from local residents, some of whom worried about increased traffic and insufficient parking, while others complained that admissions fees would price out people in the neighborhood. The most compelling criticism has come from those who argue that nine indoor ice skating rinks—with another outside, is excessive. “I’m not against the ice rink—three, I think, is fine,” one woman told The Daily News. “The armory is enormous, and I think it can accommodate other things.”

Perklol Nov 10, 2013 5:39 AM

They could use half of the armory for a farmers market or something beneficial to local residents.

Blaze23 Dec 11, 2013 4:37 AM

City Council Approves an Ice Center for the Bronx


The Kingsbridge Armory in the Bronx will soon be reinvented as a national ice sports center under a plan that was approved on Tuesday by the City Council.

City officials brokered a last-minute deal that won the support of Councilman Fernando Cabrera, right, for an ice center in the Bronx.
The project, to be called the Kingsbridge National Ice Center, caps years of efforts by city officials and community leaders to redevelop a cavernous building that was completed in 1917 and has become an enduring symbol of the Bronx’s struggles. The vote came after city officials brokered a last-minute deal that won over Councilman Fernando Cabrera, who represents the area, by calling for the developer, KNIC Partners, to provide an additional $470,000 to address traffic and parking issues, and to support businesses and local students.

The ice center is scheduled to open in 2017, and will eventually include, in its 763,000 square feet, nine ice rinks, a 5,000-seat arena, dedicated space for community activities, and a free after-school program with tutoring and skating lessons.

NYguy Dec 11, 2013 10:14 PM

NYC Approves a Plan to Transform a Bronx Armory into the World’s Largest Ice Sports Facility

By Josephine Minutillo
December 11, 2013


The Kingsbridge Armory may be the largest armory in the world. At least, it had the biggest drill hall in the world, measuring 300-by-600 feet when it was built between 1912-17 by the firm of Pilcher & Tachau. After sitting vacant for nearly 20 years, plans are now in motion to turn that cavernous space into the world’s largest ice sports facility.

Located on Jerome Avenue in the Bronx, the landmark structure–modeled after a French medieval castle to project an image of intimidation and impregnability as was the style for militia buildings at the time–had instead become a symbol of neglect in a neighborhood in need of revitalization, fenced off and abandoned as politicians and developers fought over its future during a two-decade long saga.

The $320 million-project, paid entirely by KNIC and slated to open in 2017 (the building’s 100th birthday), calls for nine professional-sized, year-round rinks. A central show rink will accommodate 5,000 seats around it to host major hockey and figure skating events. National Hockey League legend Mark Messier, a New York City hero for bringing the Stanley Cup back to the Rangers in 1994 after a 54-year drought, serves as Kingsbridge National Ice Center CEO. During a local radio show prior to yesterday’s vote, Messier said the project would create an “economic engine” in the Bronx. Though the borough may be famous for its illustrious baseball team and pick-up basketball games, Messier points out the lack of skating facilities throughout the five boroughs. “There are 1.5 million people in the Bronx alone and no rink,” Messier said. “Even if we built 70 rinks [around the city], it would still fall short of the national average.”

In a statement released yesterday, outgoing New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg called the almost unanimous City Council vote “the result of years of collaboration and perseverance,” and touted the project–a personal victory as he leaves office–as “yet another example of our Administration’s commitment to turning what were once symbols of New York City’s decline–McCarren Park Pool, High Bridge, the High Line, and more–into community treasures and international attractions.”

James Bond Agent 007 Dec 16, 2013 6:33 AM

Wow, hadn't heard of this thing until now. Cool idea!

chris08876 Oct 20, 2014 8:59 PM

Kingsbridge Armory project skates past obstacle
The developer of the planned $350 million ice-sports center, billed as the largest in the world, has finally signed a lease with the city.


The developer planning to convert the Kingsbridge Armory into the world's largest ice-sports center announced Thursday it had at last signed a lease for the long-derelict Bronx property. The milestone comes after months of uncertainty spawned by legal disputes over who was in charge.

With the ink now drying on the 99-year lease, Kingsbridge National Ice Center (KNIC), led by founder Kevin Parker and National Hockey League Hall-of-Famer Mark Messier, can begin the process of building out the cavernous 750,000-square-foot building that is set to house nine ice skating rinks and arena-style seating, and that will eventually be home to more than 250 permanent jobs.

"This project will not just build the world's largest indoor ice center, but create a new economic engine for the borough," Kyle Kimball, president of the city's Economic Development Corp., said in a statement. EDC signed the lease with the developers.

Up until Thursday's announcement, an air of uncertainty had descended over the ambitious project, which was financed with hundreds of millions of dollars in private investment, according to city officials. It began early this year, when three men involved in the development—Jonathan Richter, Marcus Wignell and Jeff Spiritos—sued Mr. Parker in state Supreme Court to gain control of KNIC Partners. In early October, a Bronx justice ruled against the group, a victory that Mr. Parker's lawyers said cleared the way for the project to go forward.

A number of separate lawsuits remain unresolved, however. Those include a legal salvo over compensation filed by the trio over work they claim they performed but were not paid for leading up to the project's approval last December. EDC, which initially bid out the project, has long maintained that the legal disputes have had no significant effect on the timeline.

Thursday's good news comes less than three months after the developers announced a $30 million round of equity investment from a group of investors led by the Michigan-based Kresge Foundation. Deep in the weeds of that update, the developers also revealed that the project's price tag had risen by more than twice the equity sum. Initial estimates pegged the total cost at $275 million; the revised figure is $75 million more.
OCTOBER 16, 2014

chris08876 Jun 1, 2015 1:19 AM

Two armories: One hit, one miss


The two massive, city-owned armories on Bedford Avenue in Crown Heights stand less than a mile apart, yet when it comes to their futures, they might as well be on different planets.

Today, the 108-year-old Bedford Union Armory between Union and President streets hums with activity. The city is planning a large-scale renovation of the empty 138,000-square-foot building, where developers envision everything from a hotel or business incubator to a supermarket or recreation center. At a recent community meeting, area residents excitedly weighed in with their own hopes and dreams. Work will begin as soon as the city approves a private developer.

"Reactivating this historic property will generate jobs, spur economic activity and revive a vibrant facility that will once again serve the neighborhood for years to come," Economic Development Corp. President Kyle Kimball said in 2013, when the city issued the request for proposals.

Meanwhile, at the landmarked, ­castle-like Bedford Atlantic ­Armory, plans have stalled despite earlier optimism.

Instead, the only sign of life comes courtesy of the city's Department of Homeless Services, which still uses part of the 120-year-old building as a shelter for homeless men. There, on a recent afternoon, a handful of men loitered near the grand entrance—despite numerous "No Loitering" signs—smoking marijuana and occasionally trudging out into traffic to panhandle from drivers.

chris08876 Dec 17, 2015 1:19 PM

Townhouses, Apartments and Sports Center Planned for Crown Heights Armory


Private townhouses, affordable and market-rate apartments and a new recreation center are coming to the Bedford-Union Armory in Crown Heights, according to multiple people familiar with a plan by the city's Economic Development Corporation.

Part of the 138,000-square-foot former military facility — built in 1903 and acquired by the city in 2013 — will be sold to a private developer to be converted into 12 private townhouses built inside former horse stables located on President Street along the building’s south side, the sources said.

Space on the armory’s east side currently used as a parking garage will be replaced by a new building to include market-rate and affordable rental units, those with knowledge of the plan said; 50 percent of the planned units will be market-rate, 30 percent will be set aside for middle-income residents and 20 percent for low-income residents.

The size of the proposed apartment building is unclear. Land use rules allow for up to 13 stories.

In addition to the housing components, the armory's main building — with its distinctive domed drill hall on top — will house a new recreational facility, including a swimming pool, three basketball courts and an indoor soccer field, sources said. The center, which will be open to the community, will be operated by CAMBA, a Flatbush-based social service provider and non-profit.

The yet-unnamed developer will operate under a 99-year lease on the majority of the property, sources said. However, the President Street portion set aside for the new townhouses will be sold outright to the developer by the city, the sources said.

The EDC shared details of the plan with community stakeholders in multiple meetings held in the borough last week. The agency plans to formally announce details of the redevelopment project later this week, sources said.

An EDC spokesman declined to comment on the project on Monday.

The project is the result of a public request for proposals to redevelop or repurpose the building released by the EDC in late 2013. Last fall, the agency held multiple public forums to collect community input from Crown Heights residents about what they wanted to see built in the armory.

Popular ideas included mixed-income housing, a fitness center and space for job training, the EDC said at the time.

Since the military vacated the armory in 2011, the building has been used primarily for large-scale events such as local conventions, fundraisers and weddings.

The armory redevelopment plan will need to be reviewed and approved through the Uniform Land Use Review Procedure (ULURP) by the local community board, the borough president, City Council and the mayor.


chris08876 Dec 19, 2015 5:38 PM


5000x3000 Rendering:

RobEss Dec 19, 2015 7:01 PM

Wow, that doesn't look good at all.
What is NY's obsessions with unadorned metal siding and foamcrete walls?
This building just screams 'please knock me down in twenty years!'

mrnyc Dec 20, 2015 11:45 PM

^ worse, it looks like they are hiding the beautiful old armory bldg by surrounding it with crap. barclays arena seems to have set a precident for doing that.

whats up with the kingsbridge ice arena? is that still on? people were talking about it at work friday in one of my bronx sites like it was a done deal, but i'm not sure.

chris08876 Dec 21, 2015 12:09 AM


Are you a contruction manager? Just curious because you said "one of my bronx sites".

If so... :cheers:


Originally Posted by mrnyc (Post 7276507)

whats up with the kingsbridge ice arena?=

They are going to renovate it. No demo on the structures part, just interior renovation.

mrnyc Dec 21, 2015 12:37 AM

no - i work all over the city in all boroughs, but mostly the bronx lately.

i ask because apparently there are lawsuits still flying around on kingsbridge, so it doesnt look like ice arena construction is happening anytime soon. also, i hang out around there with friends occasionally and nothing is visible as far as obvious activity, construction equipment, etc..

NYC4Life Feb 18, 2016 10:59 PM

Project is moving forward with new state loan
Residents fear gentrification around Ice Center

Updated February 17, 2016 10:09 PM


THE BRONX - Officials sought to reassure Kingsbridge residents and business owners that the planned development of a massive ice-skating center in the area would not displace them at a town hall-style forum Wednesday evening.

Stakeholders raised many concerns at the meeting, at Monroe College, about the project to turn the Kingsbridge Armory building into the new Kingsbridge National Ice Center.

"Development without displacement" was the dominating theme. Residents and business owners told officials they were concerned about gentrification.

Others saw opportunity in the project.

Union representatives asked officials about supplying a work force for construction. A 9-year-old disabled boy asked about special-needs access and use.

Officials say they have not yet set a date to begin construction, but the project is moving forward behind the scenes. The state's Public Authorities Control Board unanimously voted recently to support funding the project.

On the design side, architects and engineers are still drawing up plans.

Officials say the completed center will include nine or 10 ice rinks.

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mrnyc Feb 20, 2016 10:54 AM

^ awesome -- its great to hear something anything about this project -- it went quiet for awhile. i'm glad to see its now moving forward.

btw the armory is riddled with tunnels, including one with a tank stuck in it, or so i hear from friends who were stationed there in the national guard years ago. i wonder what will become of them? sealed off and forgotten perhaps? opened occasionally for tours?? or maybe even put to use somehow???

Busy Bee Feb 20, 2016 1:57 PM

Maybe speed skating exercise lanes?

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