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someone123 Oct 31, 2019 1:04 AM

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eastcoastal Oct 31, 2019 11:30 AM

I do wish those stairs down into the water were full width in the opening there. They feel to me like they're chopped off or shortened in order to be cheaper (not that stone steps into a harbour are cheap to begin with... which makes it even more incongruous). Perhaps their width will make more sense once the rest of the plaza and building are complete and missing design elements are in place.

Keith P. Oct 31, 2019 12:59 PM

I don't understand the stairs. They strike me as a huge liability issue for the owners. I can foresee some drug-addled kid taking a walk down them late some night and stepping off into the depths of the harbour.

OldDartmouthMark Oct 31, 2019 2:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith P. (Post 8734674)
I don't understand the stairs. They strike me as a huge liability issue for the owners. I can foresee some drug-addled kid taking a walk down them late some night and stepping off into the depths of the harbour.

I had similar thoughts when I first saw the design... why have stairs that go directly to the water when it's not actually a place where you would or should go into the water?

I didn't actually have the 'drug-addled kid' thought, though I suppose it's a possibility (though in actuality, probably not more than falling off the pier into the water).

I understand the idea that it will be a cool place to sit, but why have them actually dip into the harbour at the bottom? And, by nature of their slope, if somebody stumbles will that mean they have the potential to bounce down the stairs and into the water? Should there not be some sort of railing or catcher in place for that? Just a thought...

MonctonRad Oct 31, 2019 3:13 PM

:previous:

I foresee a fence at the top of those stairs in the not too distant future........

someone123 Oct 31, 2019 3:27 PM

I've been to a few places where there are steps like this. False Creek in Vancouver is one. Tons of cities have fountains with a narrow path that you could easily fall off of. People like these things and the apparent problems are minimal.

Not unlike the "wave". Or Halifax's multiple kilometers of guardrail-free boardwalk.

OldDartmouthMark Oct 31, 2019 4:13 PM

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Originally Posted by someone123 (Post 8734827)
I've been to a few places where there are steps like this. FALSE Creek in Vancouver is one. Tons of cities have fountains with a narrow path that you could easily fall off of. People like these things and the apparent problems are minimal.

Not unlike the "wave". Or Halifax's multiple kilometers of guardrail-free boardwalk.

Incidentally, there has been impact-absorbing rubber surrounding the base of The Wave for some time now... ;)

Of course there are hazards everywhere, and I'm sure the steps will be fine. People fall of the pier on the Halifax waterfront from time to time. Usually, they are scooped out, and are mostly OK...

I dunno, though. It's been a while since you've lived in Halifax, and the harbour has been cleaned up somewhat since those days (no 'floaties' anymore), but I still wouldn't be in any rush to sit at the bottom step and let harbour water splash up on me... :yuck:

:haha:

someone123 Oct 31, 2019 5:54 PM

There aren't a lot of pristine urban waterways. False Creek is probably about the same as Halifax harbour. Both look a lot cleaner than most waterfronts but I wouldn't necessarily swim. The water's cold either way.

People use the steps in a variety of ways, to sit or just get closer to the water and look at it even if they're not going in. I've often thought it would be interesting just to have stairs that go down to a glassed in room below sea level (maybe with a roof like a box, maybe not). Some places have tourist attractions like this.

alps Nov 1, 2019 2:56 AM

I don't see these steps being any more a hazard than the boardwalk itself. If anything, they are safer, because it's easier to escape the water if you were to fall in.

I think these stairs will be a very popular spot to just sit and look at the water. I agree that it looks like they should be a lot wider.

The Queen's Marque stone looks great!

OldDartmouthMark Nov 1, 2019 4:33 AM

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Originally Posted by alps (Post 8735768)
I don't see these steps being any more a hazard than the boardwalk itself. If anything, they are safer, because it's easier to escape the water if you were to fall in.

I think these stairs will be a very popular spot to just sit and look at the water. I agree that it looks like they should be a lot wider.

The Queen's Marque stone looks great!

I'm sure you are right. Perhaps I just associate stairs with a means to go somewhere - the visual of them leading to water triggers a strange vibe in my head. I've never been much of a stair-sitter, so this wouldn't be a natural use of stairs for me... ;)

Hopefully many people will enjoy them... safely. :)

Keith P. Nov 1, 2019 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by alps (Post 8735768)
I don't see these steps being any more a hazard than the boardwalk itself. If anything, they are safer, because it's easier to escape the water if you were to fall in.

They would be safer until you get to the bottom one. That last step is a doozy, down 20 feet or so. :drowning:

teddifax Nov 1, 2019 3:05 PM

Wondering a couple of things... will the steps that will either be splashed with water or be under water, be cleaned on a regular basis, otherwise they will be slippery... Secondly, is the area on both sides of the steps available for ships to berth?

Northend Guy Nov 3, 2019 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by teddifax (Post 8736131)
Wondering a couple of things... will the steps that will either be splashed with water or be under water, be cleaned on a regular basis, otherwise they will be slippery... Secondly, is the area on both sides of the steps available for ships to berth?

On the question about cleaning: A friend of mine did a test run with an application-specific apparatus on these stairs a month or two ago, so they must be shopping around to contract out cleaning the buildup. He showed me before and after pictures. The result was pretty impressive.

On a related topic, I am curious how they will deal with winter time icing. Surely it will be necessary to block access in freezing conditions.

OldDartmouthMark Nov 3, 2019 6:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Northend Guy (Post 8737274)
On the question about cleaning: A friend of mine did a test run with an application-specific apparatus on these stairs a month or two ago, so they must be shopping around to contract out cleaning the buildup. He showed me before and after pictures. The result was pretty impressive.

On a related topic, I am curious how they will deal with winter time icing. Surely it will be necessary to block access in freezing conditions.

Apparently (according to some) these steps are practically risk-free so we probably don't need to worry so much... "but the pier"...

;)

IanWatson Nov 15, 2019 12:29 PM

We have metal! It's much more brown-bronze than red, but who knows if that's the final treatment. The current look is very understated. I like it quite a bit and would be okay if this is the final finish.

midasmull Nov 15, 2019 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by IanWatson (Post 8749329)
We have metal! It's much more brown-bronze than red, but who knows if that's the final treatment. The current look is very understated. I like it quite a bit and would be okay if this is the final finish.

You can't just tease us like that and not provide pictures.

IanWatson Nov 15, 2019 1:37 PM

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Originally Posted by midasmull (Post 8749333)
You can't just tease us like that and not provide pictures.

Ha! I've never put the effort into finding a seamless way to post photos from my phone onto this forum. If no one beats me to it, I'll grab a photo on the way home this evening and stop being lazy about figuring a way to upload.

RoshanMcG Nov 18, 2019 2:58 AM

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IanWatson Nov 18, 2019 12:54 PM

The patterned metal in Roshan's 4th and 5th photos is the metal that has been up most of the summer. You can see the new metal on the north facade in the first photo.

eastcoastal Nov 18, 2019 6:22 PM

I think this is looking good... looking forward to seeing more.

Keith P. Nov 18, 2019 7:35 PM

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Originally Posted by IanWatson (Post 8751540)
The patterned metal in Roshan's 4th and 5th photos is the metal that has been up most of the summer. You can see the new metal on the north facade in the first photo.

What I think you are referring to looks very dark, much darker than I expected "Muntz Metal" to be.

IanWatson Nov 19, 2019 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith P. (Post 8751921)
What I think you are referring to looks very dark, much darker than I expected "Muntz Metal" to be.

Yes, it's very dark. I was looking closer this morning and I'm thinking it's not the final finish. The current texture looks almost like a light spray with a can of spray paint. I'm wondering if it's a protective coating that'll later be removed.

However, even if it is the final finish I do like it.

OldDartmouthMark Nov 19, 2019 6:09 PM

I think this must be some sort of protective coating to be removed when construction is finished (to avoid scratching, presumably).

To the best of my knowledge, Muntz metal is supposed to have the appearance of brass (because it is brass):

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Sark_stern.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muntz_metal

My understanding was that it wouldn't tarnish like typical brass, however, but my knowledge is limited to what I've read about it in relation to this project.

IanWatson Nov 25, 2019 2:00 PM

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...8b534b65_c.jpgQueens Marque by Ian Watson, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...a158737f_c.jpgQueens Marque by Ian Watson, on Flickr

OldDartmouthMark Nov 25, 2019 7:06 PM

That has more of the look of tarnished brass, before polishing.

https://laurelleaffarm.com/item-phot...-b911326-3.jpg

https://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTA2NlgxN...RdM1Xs/$_3.JPG

It will be interesting if this is the final finish, though, as it's quite a departure from the original concept of "copper". I actually think that a copper finish (one that doesn't corrode to that light green colour) would be more attractive than "brass" or "tarnished brass".

Keith P. Nov 25, 2019 8:48 PM

It actually looks very much like bronze.

OldDartmouthMark Nov 25, 2019 9:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith P. (Post 8758646)
It actually looks very much like bronze.

...weathered bronze.

New bronze is brighter and shinier than that stuff. But maybe weathered is the look they are going for now?

The original concept renderings as presented showed a brighter shinier copper colour:

https://i.imgur.com/Nc8NtJF.jpg

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someone123 Jan 13, 2020 8:44 PM

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KnoxfordGuy Jan 13, 2020 9:27 PM

I'm getting Dublin and Liverpool vibes from this building. I can't put my finger on why though.

Haliguy Jan 14, 2020 2:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KnoxfordGuy (Post 8798308)
I'm getting Dublin and Liverpool vibes from this building. I can't put my finger on why though.

Never thought about it, but I think I know what you mean. It does have that vibe. More Dublin than Liverpool.

IanWatson Jan 14, 2020 1:36 PM

They've taken the perforated metal screen off of the Lower Water Street frontage, so it does seem like it was just a test as Jono had thought.

Jonovision Jan 14, 2020 4:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KnoxfordGuy (Post 8798308)
I'm getting Dublin and Liverpool vibes from this building. I can't put my finger on why though.

I'm feeling the same thing. Or even London.
I think its down to the midrise, waterfront with juxtaposed high quality materials.

Dartguard Jan 14, 2020 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonovision (Post 8799050)
I'm feeling the same thing. Or even London.
I think its down to the midrise, waterfront with juxtaposed high quality materials.

Definitely a London feel especially around the Thames near the Shard.

OldDartmouthMark Jan 15, 2020 3:41 PM

Any consensus on whether the Muntz Metal has a protective covering on it, or is that dull brown colour the final finish?

someone123 Jan 15, 2020 6:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonovision (Post 8799050)
I'm feeling the same thing. Or even London.
I think its down to the midrise, waterfront with juxtaposed high quality materials.

It's not a huge area but the blocks below Barrington around here feel a lot like a British city. The Bank of NS looks like something from Glasgow, and Province House could have been built in the UK. The effect would have been even stronger had the old Customs House and Royal Bank been retained. Queen's Marque seems to be adding to this and I hope the Dennis Building redevelopment will complement the feel of the area too.

Up on Barrington buildings like NS Furnishings and the now developed Cragg Bros were much more North American in style.

teddifax Jan 15, 2020 8:50 PM

Does anyone know the hotel that will be going in here?

mleblanc Jan 16, 2020 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDartmouthMark (Post 8758711)

It appears there's been some significant design changes in this building that I'm not sure have been posted before. In the above rendering, it shows the reddish muntz metal on the top and curtain wall on the bottom but when I was browsing their rental website it has a 3D model on it that looks much more to what's being built there now:

https://i.imgur.com/Nlfumfo.png

Most of the red metal has been scrapped for dark grey, and the curtain wall has been replaced with this almost checkered metal/glasswall. I still have high hopes with this one due to the architects reputation but it looks like the only other metal is going to be the NW corner.

Here's a link to the 3D model that's actually quite well done:
https://projects.blacklineapp.com/queens-marque/

Nouvellecosse Jan 16, 2020 12:57 AM

The reddish metal was my favourite part. Without that it looks somewhat anonymous. Still high quality, but like a DND administrative office or something.

IanWatson Jan 16, 2020 1:05 PM

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Originally Posted by teddifax (Post 8800669)
Does anyone know the hotel that will be going in here?

I seem to recall a recent AllNS story saying it would be a house brand, 5-stars.

OldDartmouthMark Jan 16, 2020 3:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mleblanc (Post 8800982)
It appears there's been some significant design changes in this building that I'm not sure have been posted before. In the above rendering, it shows the reddish muntz metal on the top and curtain wall on the bottom but when I was browsing their rental website it has a 3D model on it that looks much more to what's being built there now:

https://i.imgur.com/Nlfumfo.png

Most of the red metal has been scrapped for dark grey, and the curtain wall has been replaced with this almost checkered metal/glasswall. I still have high hopes with this one due to the architects reputation but it looks like the only other metal is going to be the NW corner.

Here's a link to the 3D model that's actually quite well done:
https://projects.blacklineapp.com/queens-marque/

Thanks for that. I hadn't seen it before.

I agree with Nouvellecosse in that the copper-toned sections were the best part of it. I also liked the contrast with the white-ish tones of the sandstone (in the renderings, which probably wasn't realistic anyhow) and that was what made the building design stand out in my opinion - but especially the copper (Muntz Metal).

While the overall design is still interesting, it looks a lot more drab than I was expecting, and thus is somewhat disappointing.

Hopefully it will still be attractive when it's finished, but IMHO the reddish copper tones would have been much nicer. Oh well.

pblaauw Mar 29, 2020 11:27 PM

Has the opening been pushed further back because of the pandemic? The anchor posts for the floating bridge are gone.

IanWatson Mar 30, 2020 11:03 AM

Stewart McKelvey has already moved their offices in. Good question about the public space though.

savevp Mar 30, 2020 5:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonovision (Post 8799050)
I'm feeling the same thing. Or even London.
I think its down to the midrise, waterfront with juxtaposed high quality materials.

Getting the same vibe but, hate to say it, I reckon some of it's just the narrowness of the street due to construction materials.

pblaauw Mar 30, 2020 7:26 PM

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Dmajackson Apr 13, 2020 8:14 PM

More angles on the blog.

You may notice some streetscaping changes in the foreground of some photos. This will be a protected bike lane for Lower Water Street approved in the Regional Centre AAA Bikeways Plan. Armour Group has agreed to construct the section from MMoA to George Street as part of their street reinstatement work. Construction Plan - Regional Council Agenda - April 14, 2020

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'Halifax Developments Blog (Photos by David Jackson)

Keith P. Apr 13, 2020 9:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmajackson (Post 8892522)
More angles on the blog.

You may notice some streetscaping changes in the foreground of some photos. This will be a protected bike lane for Lower Water Street approved in the Regional Centre AAA Bikeways Plan. Armour Group has agreed to construct the section from MMoA to George Street as part of their street reinstatement work. Construction Plan - Regional Council Agenda - April 14, 2020

That design looks like it will make it easy to collide with cyclists when they re-enter at the end of the block.

alps Apr 14, 2020 3:33 AM

Great photos, thanks! I like the irregular stone seating. That cobblestone strip is crying out for some trees to provide shade, but I don't see any tree pits. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Keith P. (Post 8892594)
That design looks like it will make it easy to collide with cyclists when they re-enter at the end of the block.

It does seem kind of dangerous. That side of the street might not be a travel lane – it could have car parking up to the intersection, which would be a little safer. But then motorists might be completely unaware of the cycle track until it suddenly merges with the roadway.

IMO an ideal fix would be to close the stub end of George Street and turn the area around the Dockyard Clock into a nice plaza with seating and trees, so there wouldn't be any right-turning car traffic.

Colin May Apr 14, 2020 3:14 PM

A 6 foot wide bike lane but the sidewalk with the bollards at the MMOA is less than 4 feet.
Nice to know that thousands of pedestrians are less important that a few dozen cyclists.
The bike lane looks to be in place, look at the grey area level with the top of the curbs; the staff report indicates the lane would be raised 6 inches above street level. Some people believe the left turn up Prince should be banned. Trucks with 50' containers will continue to head north on Lower Water.

RoshanMcG May 24, 2020 8:42 PM

Sorry for the long post! Was walking around downtown today and am really impressed with Queen's Marque so far.

http://i.imgur.com/9CyNQkSh.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/yYNCqu8h.jpg

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teddifax May 25, 2020 3:06 AM

Any idea of the hotel going in this development?


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