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esquire Jun 15, 2020 1:00 PM

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Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8951841)
You are certainly in the minroty for LAS flights; travel for industrial or busiess (non-convention or hotel related) is tiny. The vast majority of people on all LAS flights are going for a vacation

I'd wager there is much more industrial or business traffic going from Winnipeg to Atlanta or San Diego than to Las Vegas. Yet out of those three only Las Vegas has typically had nonstop service from here... :hmmm:

wave46 Jun 15, 2020 1:10 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8951931)
I'd wager there is much more industrial or business traffic going from Winnipeg to Atlanta or San Diego than to Las Vegas. Yet out of those three only Las Vegas has typically had nonstop service from here... :hmmm:

Yes, the few people I've heard of going to Las Vegas for 'business' reasons (a conference of whatnot) generally came back and told me about their 'business' trip. It sounded pretty fun for a business trip.

esquire Jun 15, 2020 1:12 PM

^ Haha....yeah, Vegas conferences don't count as business. Certainly not business of the essential kind.

Dominion301 Jun 15, 2020 6:13 PM

YOW MAY

May pax stats are out. Traffic was up 28.1% over April...which doesn't equate to much!

Sector / May-19 / May-20 / % Change
Dom: 366,206 / 8,386 / -97.7%
TB: 55,761 / 535 / -99.0% - With DL and AA pulling out of YOW indefinitely, this too will be zero in July. :(
Int'l: 18,499 / 0 / -100.0%
TTL: 440,466 / 8,921 / -98.0%

Sector / YTD 2019 / YTD 2020 / % Change
Dom: 1,554,847 / 752,871 / -51.6%
TB: 338,309 / 162,874 / -51.9%
Int'l: 240,124 / 168,382 / -29.9%
TTL: 2,133,280 / 1,084,127 / -49.2%

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2019
Dom: 3,191,577 / -20.3%
TB: 510,862 / -29.1%
Int'l: 354,895 / -8.5%
TTL: 4,057,334 / -20.61%

I imagine YOW's numbers will be worse in percentage terms than any other major airport. YOW has experienced the 2nd most capacity cut amount airports in North America with (traditionally) > 50,000 departing seats/week. Only EWR was worse.

esquire Jun 15, 2020 6:28 PM

Those numbers are just staggering. I suppose the good news is that air travel has bottomed out? It looks like we're starting to see a slight rebound, even if it's still minor at this point. Once interprovincial quarantine requirements are rescinded we'll start to see significant increases.

lubicon Jun 15, 2020 8:27 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8952298)
Those numbers are just staggering. I suppose the good news is that air travel has bottomed out? It looks like we're starting to see a slight rebound, even if it's still minor at this point. Once interprovincial quarantine requirements are rescinded we'll start to see significant increases.

Outside the four maritime provinces are there actually any places that require quarantine for interprovincial travel?

Airboy Jun 15, 2020 8:38 PM

So I'm flying today, YEG to YVR and onward. Mask at security. And must wear it on the whole flight. No service on the flight. But you do get a bottle of water, sanitizer. Gloves a mask and hand wipes. Services at the airport's is almost nil. Chili's, Belgian beer cafe, wok box and one Relay are all that is open at YEG. YVR, Starbucks, Timmies, a burger joint and 3 relays.

AC and WestJet are using terminal C. A and B is closed.international terminal looks busy. Flights from Chinal Korea and France. But wow are the terminals dead. Flights I was on was half full. The next leg looks full on a Dash.

Fun part is I reverse on Weds but late. Then do it again next week.

lubicon Jun 15, 2020 8:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 8952447)
So I'm flying today, YEG to YVR and onward. Mask at security. And must wear it on the whole flight. No service on the flight. But you do get a bottle of water, sanitizer. Gloves a mask and hand wipes. Services at the airport's is almost nil. Chili's, Belgian beer cafe, wok box and one Relay are all that is open at YEG. YVR, Starbucks, Timmies, a burger joint and 3 relays.

AC and WestJet are using terminal C. A and B is closed.international terminal looks busy. Flights from Chinal Korea and France. But wow are the terminals dead. Flights I was on was half full. The next leg looks full on a Dash.

Fun part is I reverse on Weds but late. Then do it again next week.

That's not bad considering they are only selling ~2/3 of the seats. On the Dash isn't it more like 50%? (leaving every second seat empty).

My sister is flying YUL - YEG in late June, as of yesterday there were 6 passengers booked on the flight. And she accounts for three of them.

esquire Jun 15, 2020 9:10 PM

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Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 8952438)
Outside the four maritime provinces are there actually any places that require quarantine for interprovincial travel?

MB does. Don't any of the other western provinces?

hollywoodcory Jun 16, 2020 4:04 AM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8952495)
MB does. Don't any of the other western provinces?

Alberta only requires it for arrivals from outside the country.

zahav Jun 16, 2020 5:18 AM

Same with BC I think. They discourage all forms of unecessary travel, but there is no restricitons or quarantining when travelling between provinces I don't think.

There were stories of a bunch of vigilante idiots in BC border towns harassing people from AB and vandalizing cars with Alberta plates. Total idiots, I absolutely despise people who think it's their right to say something to strangers like they are some authority (let alone, acts of violence or vanadlism of someone's property!). This virus has made people so emboldended to act like law enforcement or some bully, as if they are entitled to it. I would cough in their face if someone tried to tell me off for doing something like being in a province with an out of province license

lubicon Jun 16, 2020 2:53 PM

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Originally Posted by esquire (Post 8952495)
MB does. Don't any of the other western provinces?

Thanks, was not aware Manitoba did. The three other western provinces do not and never did have an interprovincial quarantine.

Zmonkey Jun 16, 2020 3:15 PM

Is there any government reports that talk about our current restrictions (or lack thereof) on travel domestically?

I need to fire off an email for work and outside of news articles cannot find anything that states air travel specially.

lubicon Jun 16, 2020 5:07 PM

Other than some of the PPE requirements required for air travel there should be no other differences between any form of transportation when it comes to restrictions. Whether travel is by air, land, or sea there are quarantines in some provinces and not in others - the rules don't change based on mode of transport. I would think the websites of each province that has restrictions would have information you are looking for.

hollywoodcory Jun 16, 2020 6:17 PM

Is Delta also planning to drop it's flights to YEG? This press release only mentions YYZ, YUL, YVR, YYC, & YWG being flown in July. Currently I see MSP-YEG is loaded 4x weekly.

https://news.delta.com/more-flights-...afety-measures

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With non-essential travel guidelines between the U.S. and Canada extended into July, Delta will continue to operate a limited schedule for those with critical travel needs. Minneapolis, Detroit and New York-JFK serve as Delta’s main gateways to destinations like Montreal, Toronto, Calgary and Winnipeg. Delta will also continue service to Vancouver from Seattle.

Dominion301 Jun 16, 2020 6:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 8953352)
Is Delta also planning to drop it's flights to YEG? This press release only mentions YYZ, YUL, YVR, YYC, & YWG being flown in July. Currently I see MSP-YEG is loaded 4x weekly.

https://news.delta.com/more-flights-...afety-measures

Well they just dropped Ottawa so it wouldn't surprise me.

Dominion301 Jun 16, 2020 7:53 PM

From the ashes of Air Georgian rises Pivot Airlines who are starting out as a charter airline/ACMI: https://www.skiesmag.com/news/pivot-airlines-launches/

Future WestJet Link east partner?

hollywoodcory Jun 17, 2020 5:58 AM

As expected WestJet has removed FCO and BCN for the rest of the summer. I suspect DUB will follow suit as well.

wave46 Jun 17, 2020 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8953482)
From the ashes of Air Georgian rises Pivot Airlines who are starting out as a charter airline/ACMI: https://www.skiesmag.com/news/pivot-airlines-launches/

Future WestJet Link east partner?

If they survive to that point.

Westjet's weaker position vis-a-vis Air Canada in the east may kibosh it though.

I'd say that Westjet's lack of international reach is what's really holding it back though and they seem to be aware of that. Connecting flights to small communities don't pay for themselves most of the time - it's filling the next flight that makes the money.

AC has the advantage of a huge international network. Someone from Podunksville who needs to get to Hong Kong can on AC metal. With Westjet, the destinations are too limited outside North America to justifiably serve smaller communities unless you're taking the whole market as they are out west.

Dominion301 Jun 17, 2020 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 8954100)
If they survive to that point.

Westjet's weaker position vis-a-vis Air Canada in the east may kibosh it though.

I'd say that Westjet's lack of international reach is what's really holding it back though and they seem to be aware of that. Connecting flights to small communities don't pay for themselves most of the time - it's filling the next flight that makes the money.

AC has the advantage of a huge international network. Someone from Podunksville who needs to get to Hong Kong can on AC metal. With Westjet, the destinations are too limited outside North America to justifiably serve smaller communities unless you're taking the whole market as they are out west.

I disagree. WS have a big enough hub at YYZ to support connections to the smaller Ontario cities. WS have pulled out of YSB twice due to the wrong aircraft type, first on their old 732s then with DH4s. A 33-50 seater is the perfect size for that market for an airline like WS. Porter has a lot of brand loyalty in Northern Ontario thanks to the Deluces. Ditto a place like YYB where Porter left as the DH4 was too big. Same goes for Sarnia where if they entered, they'd have the place to themselves. It would also allow them to serve Windsor year-round instead of just seasonal to YYC.


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