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jeddy1989 Feb 22, 2019 1:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8483218)
I think for domestic or transborder non-Rouge route, AC want to run at least a seasonal daily, or not doing it at all?

Daily 7M8 is probably too much for YVR-YHZ, especially when WS also running the route.

Is there any demand for that? I don't know they'd be able to fill the seats :shrug:

J81 Feb 22, 2019 8:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8483240)
Of course they do. Winter headwinds on the westbound leg might be an issue, but a summer seasonal route should be doable, with little to no restrictions.

YVR-YHZ is 2398 nm.

Rouge A319s have a 2,800 nm range. Newer frames have even better range.

Not according to ACs website

king10 Feb 22, 2019 8:48 PM

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Originally Posted by J81 (Post 8483954)
Not according to ACs website

2,760 NMs?

https://www.aircanada.com/ca/en/aco/...ard/fleet.html

J81 Feb 22, 2019 9:04 PM

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Originally Posted by king10 (Post 8484028)

2760 miles. Not NM. ACs A319s were built as 70000kg variants for domestic service. Their range is about 500-600nm less then the 75500kg variant. The addition of Sharklets would help the range a bit as well but not all are equipped as such yet.

Coincidentally, according to great circle mapper YVR-YHZ is exactly 2760 miles. Right at the limit of the Rouge A319s. So westbound legs would be payload restricted.

Dominion301 Feb 22, 2019 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jeddy1989 (Post 8483268)
Is there any demand for that? I don't know they'd be able to fill the seats :shrug:

Post-CP merger, AC flew YHZ-YVR seasonally for a few summers on a mainline 319.

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Originally Posted by J81 (Post 8483189)
The Rouge A319s dont have the range to fly YVR-YHZ and the 767-300 is way too big to be deployed on that route. The 737MAX could do it so maybe when those are all delivered you might see AC try it with that aircraft.

Expect to see YHZ-YVR launch sometime after the CSeries/A220 arrives on property. Would imagine it'll be summer seasonal only though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8479235)
A lot of route cut, and 1 route addition for this week's AC schedule change:


Mainline mid/long-hual equipment changes:
YYZ-SFO 789 replaces 77W (revert of last week's change)

New Rouge Route:
YYC-YXU 1x daily AC1698

Rouge Frequency Removed:
YYZ-YLW 1x daily

Express Frequency Removed:
YYZ-JAX 1x daily (route removed)
YWG-YXE 2x daily (route removed)
YWG-YQT 1x daily (route removed)
YUL-YUY 2x daily

Very surprised to see YWG-YXE cut, not so much for YQT-YWG, especially with the withdrawal of DH3s from the west. WS at 2x daily Q400s became the dominant player on the route.

As for YYZ-JAX is that a seasonal cut or permanent?

nname Feb 22, 2019 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8484152)
As for YYZ-JAX is that a seasonal cut or permanent?

Also removed for W19.

J81 Feb 22, 2019 11:45 PM

I was thinking the same thing about YHZ-YVR on a C series.

q12 Feb 22, 2019 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J81 (Post 8484240)
I was thinking the same thing about YHZ-YVR on a C series.

This was posted on airliners.net last month:

A220-300 (C series) possible destinations include Halifax-Vancouver.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw5cM7EWoAAV7TE.jpg
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1413095

thenoflyzone Feb 23, 2019 1:03 AM

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Originally Posted by J81 (Post 8483954)
Not according to ACs website

Do me favor bud..

Go on AC's website, and tell me what the range of their mainline A320 is? What about mainline A319s?

Now compare them to the Rouge A319 range you found. Notice anything peculiar?

Quote:

Originally Posted by J81 (Post 8484064)
2760 miles. Not NM. ACs A319s were built as 70000kg variants for domestic service. Their range is about 500-600nm less then the 75500kg variant. The addition of Sharklets would help the range a bit as well but not all are equipped as such yet.

Coincidentally, according to great circle mapper YVR-YHZ is exactly 2760 miles. Right at the limit of the Rouge A319s. So westbound legs would be payload restricted.


Rouge has several 75500 kg A319s. C-FYJG, C-FYJE, C-FYKW, C-GBHR, to name a few.

Do yourself a favor. Stop doubting what I tell you.

2800 nautical miles.

J81 Feb 23, 2019 1:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8484300)
Do me favor bud..

Go on AC's website, and tell me what the range of their mainline A320 is? What about mainline A319s?

Now compare them to the Rouge A319 range you found. Notice anything peculiar?




Rouge has several 75500 kg A319s. C-FYJG, C-FYJE, C-FYKW, C-GBHR, to name a few.

Do yourself a favor. Stop doubting what I tell you.

2800 nautical miles.


Im not your bud and i will disagree with you if i so please. Contrary to your exceptionally high opinion of yourself, there are others in this world and on this forum that know a thing or two.

thenoflyzone Feb 23, 2019 7:08 AM

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Originally Posted by J81 (Post 8484340)
Im not your bud and i will disagree with you if i so please. Contrary to your exceptionally high opinion of yourself, there are others in this world and on this forum that know a thing or two.

That's the problem.

1 thing. Maybe 2. In your case, its doubtful of the latter.

SignalHillHiker Feb 23, 2019 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by q12 (Post 8484253)
This was posted on airliners.net last month:

A220-300 (C series) possible destinations include Halifax-Vancouver.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw5cM7EWoAAV7TE.jpg
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1413095

Distracted by the fact a Canadian organization is using a map that isn't slanted so much we look like we're in the Arctic. :haha: You can see how far east we are, and how Halifax is near the halfway point for us going to Toronto. Nice stuff, Air Canada. :D

Ottawa seems a strange choice for us? Almost all of my connections have been through Toronto or Montreal.

thenoflyzone Feb 23, 2019 6:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 8484589)
Distracted by the fact a Canadian organization is using a map that isn't slanted so much we look like we're in the Arctic. :haha: You can see how far east we are, and how Halifax is near the halfway point for us going to Toronto. Nice stuff, Air Canada. :D

Ottawa seems a strange choice for us? Almost all of my connections have been through Toronto or Montreal.

YOW-YYT is about O&D, not connections.

Also, there is a reason why YOW has flights to every single provincial or territorial capital except Victoria. Government traffic plays a key role to fill these flights.

YOW-YYT is currently a summer seasonal E190 route, and considering that the A220 at AC will replace the E190 (and A319), it's only natural that YOW-YYT is considered as a potential A220 route.

Martin Mtl Feb 23, 2019 7:03 PM

Montreal_seattle would be nice.

zahav Feb 24, 2019 12:09 AM

I know there isn't a massive amount of traffic between YVR-YHZ, but there is enough. These are two major centres, one is an AC hub. It just seems like a very big gap in their route network, so obviously aircraft economics are to play. If AC can operate a daily YYC-YXU, neither of which are AC main hubs and YXU being not on the same level as YVR or YHZ, seems odd they would get that route over YVR-YHZ

Dominion301 Feb 24, 2019 4:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8484802)
YOW-YYT is about O&D, not connections.

Also, there is a reason why YOW has flights to every single provincial or territorial capital except Victoria. Government traffic plays a key role to fill these flights.

YOW-YYT is currently a summer seasonal E190 route, and considering that the A220 at AC will replace the E190 (and A319), it's only natural that YOW-YYT is considered as a potential A220 route.

Indeed. The only future alternatives are a significant upgauge to a 320 or double daily on a E75 or CR9. I'd hazard a guess that YOW-YYT is no more than 15% connecting traffic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zahav (Post 8485010)
I know there isn't a massive amount of traffic between YVR-YHZ, but there is enough. These are two major centres, one is an AC hub. It just seems like a very big gap in their route network, so obviously aircraft economics are to play. If AC can operate a daily YYC-YXU, neither of which are AC main hubs and YXU being not on the same level as YVR or YHZ, seems odd they would get that route over YVR-YHZ

Well YXU-YYC is at least two hours shorter than YHZ-YVR and without YXU-YYC, your only options currently to fly west of YXU on AC are to backtrack to YYZ or even further east to YOW or YUL. Compare that with YHZ where there is no backtracking regardless as to whether you connect at the YUL or YYZ hubs or at YOW or YYC to fly YHZ-YVR. YHZ-YVR will come back once a bunch of 223s are on property.

nname Feb 26, 2019 7:49 AM

This week's update:

New Long-Hual Routes for W19
YVR-AKL 4x weekly 788 AC51/52 Eff. Dec12
YUL-GRU 3x weekly 789 AC96/97 Eff. Dec11
YYZ-UIO 3x weekly 763 AC1950/51 Eff. Dec8

Other Minor Changes (compared to last year - some already announced)
YVR-DEL 1x daily 789 (was 6x weekly)
YYZ-SCL-EZE 6x weekly 789
YYZ-HNL 3x weekly 789 (was 2x weekly 763)
YYZ-VIE 5x weekly 789

Route Removed (convert to seasonal? or Rouge?)
YYZ-MXP 3x weekly (Eff. Oct27, 19)

Latest S18 changes
Conversion to Rouge
YYZ-PDX 1x daily 319 AC1840/41

Flight number change
YUL-CCC 2x weekly AC1750 -> AC1752

thenoflyzone Feb 26, 2019 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8487491)
This week's update:

New Long-Hual Routes for W19
YVR-AKL 4x weekly 788 AC51/52 Eff. Dec12
YUL-GRU 3x weekly 789 AC96/97 Eff. Dec11

I was just talking about YVR-AKL over on the YVR thread.....that was a Freudian slip indeed.

YUL-GRU is surprising. Only a 2 hour turn at GRU. A 16h45 arrival at YUL. Not as good as an early morning arrival, but it surely beats leaving a frame sitting in GRU for 10+ hours.

thenoflyzone Feb 26, 2019 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8487491)
This week's update:

Flight number change
YUL-CCC 2x weekly AC1750 -> AC1752

This change is due to an similar callsign issue with AC1650 (YUL-MIA) 2 weeks ago. Having similar callsigns on the same frequency at the same time is never a good thing. We flagged it to our SMS department, and AC changed CCC's flight number.

yyzer Feb 26, 2019 3:10 PM

Interesting about the YYZ-UIO.... didn't think there was an existing bilateral air transport agreement between Canada and Ecuador, although maybe there is a new one that hasn't been officially announced yet....


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