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dales5050 Jan 19, 2016 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Northparkwizard (Post 7303260)
Rendering of the proposed waterfront hotel and link to the article.
http://i.imgur.com/UJoN3Qh.jpg

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...stel-proposed/


I doubt this hotel ever happens. It's all about getting a payday...
The decision by Fifth Avenue Landing to move forward on a hotel project comes just a month after it sent a letter to City Council members giving the city until March 1 to exercise an option to acquire, for $13.8 million, its leasehold, situated between the convention center and San Diego Bay.

and

He did, however, say that submitting plans to the port does not preclude the city from buying out the company’s leasehold by March 1.

“If they came in on March 1 and said they wanted to purchase it, we would back away from the hotel,” Hicks added.


The hope for me is that these plans show to people that this land is never going to be park space for 'access'.... It's either going to be a hotel or a convention center.

The question is, does San Diego need another waterfront hotel like this if ComicCon leaves?

Leo the Dog Jan 19, 2016 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Northparkwizard View Post
Rendering of the proposed waterfront hotel and link to the article.
I like it, but hopefully they add something to the crown instead of a flat roofline.

dtell04 Jan 19, 2016 6:15 PM

http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/...sx1ts7z3w.jpeg

It's about ready to start poking out of the ground.

SDCAL Jan 19, 2016 8:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 7303354)
Wasn't that where the "sail" shaped hotel was proposed years ago? This looks much, much better.

In fairness, it would be quite an accomplishment to come up with something that looks WORSE than sail building :D. Maybe a giant bronze statue of Cory Briggs saluting ships as they sail on the bay! ;)

SDCAL Jan 19, 2016 8:41 PM

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Originally Posted by HurricaneHugo (Post 7304312)
Expand the CC instead

I agree. I know a lot of people dismiss the idea of a contiguous expansion, but I firmly believe we would be able to attract more large, economically beneficial
conferences here with a contiguous expansion versus an annex venue. If we do an annex, we will likely just get smaller conventions that can use either the main cc or the annex, but few large ones who want to deal with the logistics of splitting up a very large convention. If we are going to spend money on a convention center expansion, it should be done right. This idea of an off-site annex is just shady, and becomes even more so if combined with a football stadium.

SDCAL Jan 19, 2016 8:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Northparkwizard (Post 7303260)
Rendering of the proposed waterfront hotel and link to the article.
http://i.imgur.com/UJoN3Qh.jpg

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...stel-proposed/

EV looks really good here. I'm guessing they included a lot of "proposed" buildings in the background as I don't recognize a lot of them

Nerv Jan 20, 2016 5:39 PM

Here's a view of the Chargers by LA that I could have told you several years ago just based on family and friends from LA and the OC.


http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la...20-column.html

Nerv Jan 20, 2016 5:42 PM

On the flip side this got posted recently in the SD Union:


So long, Chargers?

Hello, Raiders?

No scenario is too strange to mull in San Diego as the stadium game plays out here, in our remote sector of the NFL empire.

So, for the latest on the Raiders and their stadium prospects, we turn to stadium-game tracker Vincent Bonsignore of the Los Angeles Daily News. He sees San Diego as a potential option for the Raiders, should Dean Spanos move the Bolts to Inglewood. Bonsignore spoke this week to the possibilities in a readers chat for the San Jose Mercury News, a sister newspaper.

I think with a compelling San Diego plan, the Raiders would secure the support of the needed fellow owners for a move.

If he goes to L.A., Spanos would be unable to block another NFL team from moving to San Diego.

All three teams signed agreements relinquishing rights to former markets - should they move of course - as part of the requirements to be considered for relocation. So Dean has no rights to SD, or right to protest, if he moves to L.A.

As for the $100 million the NFL promised to both the Chargers and Raiders, should they strike a new stadium deal with their current cities, it's Bonsignore's understanding that Raiders owner Mark Davis could apply the $100 million to a deal with San Diego if Spanos move the Bolts.

He also said that Disney executive Bog Iger and billionaire Larry Ellison are potential investors in the Raiders.


http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...-davis-spanos/

Nerv Jan 20, 2016 5:47 PM

I've thought based on recent events now that the Chargers will likely move to LA.


So how about a fairy tale ending to the story for Spanos is he moves to LA, increases the teams value but is unable to see any returns for a decade due to the debt he now has, the team struggles to draw as that "other" team in LA, and he no longer has a home market back in SD to escape back to or draw from thanks to the new San Diego Raiders playing in their more modest, but new stadium. Lol


That would be a Grimm's fairy tale ending though. Something Spanos seems to earn.

Streamliner Jan 22, 2016 10:19 PM

The new Trolley map is now available showing the renamed Blue Line. Until the Mid-Coast corridor opens up, UC San Diego will be over 11 miles from the nearest Blue Line stop. What an unecessary and confusing change:

Source

http://www.sdmts.com/sites/default/f...e-map-2015.png

mello Jan 23, 2016 2:05 AM

Switching from Stadium issues back to airport for a moment. Had to go to the DMV in San Ysidro and as I'm near the 805 and Main St in Chula Vista I notice F-18 arching north in the sky out of Brown Field. AH HA Moment! In In all my years of discussing the Miramar/Airport issue and reading articles I never heard of a proposal of moving the function of Miramar Air Station to Brown Field opening up the centrally located land for a new SD Intl.....

This seems like a no brainer tons of throw away land near Brown Field and still in a desirable semi Coastal location for the Navy/Marines instead of consolidating everything on Pendleton like we have discussed or moving the function to Yuma. So if the military is using Brown Field now why couldn't they move Miramar there?

Derek Jan 23, 2016 2:10 AM

Probably because of its proximity to TIJ.

Leo the Dog Jan 23, 2016 2:35 AM

I'm sure this has already been discussed here and I'm not sure if large aircraft can descend quickly enough from the east, but why not just make Brown Field a reliever to SAN with a people mover system that has direct connection to CBX-TIJ along Britannia Rd?

eburress Jan 23, 2016 5:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 7309661)
Probably because of its proximity to TIJ.

Moving Miramar isn't the issue. The military was going to give Miramar to the city of SD for nothing at all. The issue is the NIMBYs who don't want Miramar to be a commercial airport, potentially negatively affecting their property values.

Northparkwizard Jan 23, 2016 5:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo the Dog (Post 7309676)
I'm sure this has already been discussed here and I'm not sure if large aircraft can descend quickly enough from the east, but why not just make Brown Field a reliever to SAN with a people mover system that has direct connection to CBX-TIJ along Britannia Rd?

They're going to improve Brown Field eventually, I think the renderings have been posted here. However after Caltrans' 20 year project of extending the 905 through Otay Mesa there's probably no chance for infrastructure changes. Although you could easily amend the current bus route that runs on Britannia & Airway to include that loop.

SDCAL Jan 23, 2016 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Streamliner (Post 7309412)
The new Trolley map is now available showing the renamed Blue Line. Until the Mid-Coast corridor opens up, UC San Diego will be over 11 miles from the nearest Blue Line stop. What an unecessary and confusing change:

Source

http://www.sdmts.com/sites/default/f...e-map-2015.png

Mass transit in this city is a complete joke. KPBS/NPR have been reporting how backwards the compass card is in San Diego

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2016/jan/14...rd-stuck-past/

This is EXACTLY why, despite living downtown, I never take the trolley or other mass transit. You either have to buy a day or month pass, you can't just store money on the card and use it as you go along like every other city in the country. This discourages "occasional riders," people who have cars but would otherwise occasionally ride public transit. Why would something so technologically easy to fix be left like this for literally years? It's this type of thing that makes me wonder if San Diego is ever capable coming into the 21st century. Even small, obvious things can't get done here. Pathetic.

Northparkwizard Jan 24, 2016 7:19 PM

I totally agree. But, honest question, if you had a metro card and hopped on the trolley are you expected to swipe it somewhere? Since there's multiple points of entry on a long train it seems difficult, without a turnstile, to control. There's no way to tell if somebody paid for the ride. Buses seem like a easy retrofit.

I don't know how other "trolley/streetcar systems" work in the U.S. Do cities like Denver, Portland, and Seattle have stored credit systems in place?

mello Jan 24, 2016 10:39 PM

Interesting article in UT today that put CA housing crisis in perspective: California is home to roughly 13 percent of the nation's population, and has slightly greater than average population growth. Yet, over the last 20 years the state has accounted for only 8 percent of all national building permits... Wow! How can big city mayors and county Supervisors not push building? We really need to educate the populace of this state on how we lag behind.

SDCAL Jan 25, 2016 1:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Northparkwizard (Post 7310918)
I totally agree. But, honest question, if you had a metro card and hopped on the trolley are you expected to swipe it somewhere? Since there's multiple points of entry on a long train it seems difficult, without a turnstile, to control. There's no way to tell if somebody paid for the ride. Buses seem like a easy retrofit.

I don't know how other "trolley/streetcar systems" work in the U.S. Do cities like Denver, Portland, and Seattle have stored credit systems in place?

Yes, every other city I've been to has the stored value option. Even overseas in Asia and Eurupe they have it. It's not a new technology.

From the KPBS article:

"Stored value cards have existed in some form for decades, and they’re now a feature nearly every other large transit agency in America offers. Cities from Jacksonville, Florida, to Spokane, Washington, have recognized stored value as a way to make riding transit as convenient as possible.

Cities with more ambitious (and better funded) transit agencies have gone even further. London’s Oyster Card offers a feature called “capping,” which tracks a passenger’s fares throughout a 24-hour period and automatically charges for a day pass if the passenger has paid the equivalent fare in single rides. The Oyster Card was developed by the San Diego-based Cubic Corp., which also developed the Compass Card."

How ironic is it that a company developing this technology is here in SD, but our own transit system is too backwards and/or poorly funded to adopt it.

As for the cost:

"MTS spokesman Rob Schupp said in an e-mail that previous cost estimates for adding stored value to the Compass Card ranged from $50,000 to more than $100,000. But he cautioned that those figures did not include the necessary marketing costs and a simplification of the fare system."

This doesn't seem like an inordinate amount considering it would likely increase ridership.

Urbannizer Jan 25, 2016 8:23 AM

Update on Makers Quarter:

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Makers Quarter is a twenty-five-story high-rise building comprised of 293 luxury apartment homes in San Diego, California. The land purchase is expected to close in early 2016 and will require approximately two and a half years to construct.
http://www.streetlightsres.com/image...quarter-lg.jpg


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