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HossC Jun 18, 2021 7:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9315736)

I haven't found the address, but I found this info about the Near 'N Far:

The Near n’ Far was a Hollywood nightclub on Santa Monica Boulevard. It was owned by mobster Mickey Cohen. Famous for striptease dancers and jazz musicians, it operated from 1956 through 1958. Lenny Bruce and his writer Frankie Ray played the venue often.

The 1956 CD has Ray Luna's Near n' Far at 7823 Santa Monica Boulevard. The Supro Laundry & Dry Cleaning Co and Hollywood City Dye Works were next door at 7819.

ethereal_reality Jun 18, 2021 10:16 PM

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hmmm. . .so did the Waldorf Cellar morph into the Club Waldorf in the 1970s. . .


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/nlBAGz.jpg
detail

. . .or is this an entirely different bar?






Here's the complete photograph [1974].


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/nz461t.jpg
originally found on eBay


As you can see it's a block south of the Rosslyn Hotel on Main St.



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stanklem Jun 18, 2021 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9315736)
Thanks for that post, riichkay.




This is the Waldorf Cellar, as seen in this post from GW:



The link doesn't bring up what that UA photo is from. :shrug:




I found this on OldShowBiz/Tumbler (whether the top is related to the writing or not, I'm not sure. It mentions Near 'N Far:

https://64.media.tumblr.com/591b5fab...3ae10b9a78.png





I haven't found the address, but I found this info about the Near 'N Far:

The Near n’ Far was a Hollywood nightclub on Santa Monica Boulevard. It was owned by mobster Mickey Cohen. Famous for striptease dancers and jazz musicians, it operated from 1956 through 1958. Lenny Bruce and his writer Frankie Ray played the venue often.

Background on Jennie Lee.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennie_Lee_(dancer)
https://pictures.abebooks.com/invent...2825757856.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/564x/e8/b2/99/e...dd5dadaee0.jpg

Snix Jun 19, 2021 12:06 AM

The Acme brewery was extensively remodeled in 1957 (I'm going to imagine this is when they lost the lodge) and closed in 1973.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...81bd1094_z.jpg
Van Nuys News 2/11/73

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9306737)
re: Acme Sequoia Lodge


Wow What an amazing discovery! I don't how we overlooked the 'lodge' that Acme had on their grounds.



Just for fun- here's a detail of the photograph Noir Noir found.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...922/WyNyz4.jpg
detail


I wish the lodge had been moved somewhere & not destroyed. Here's a thought: maybe it was moved and we just don't know about it.
Wouldn't that be a nice surprise!



Lastly, here's a detail of GW's Acme Plant layout. As you can see the lodge is labeled "Tap Room".

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/opVlQN.jpg
detail

At first I thought the smallish rectangle in the lower left was an outdoor stage - which led me to believe there was a beer garden (biergarten) behind the lodge

. . . . but, no, it's a beer storage unit. (labeled "immense vault" )









Could these three beer mugs be from the Acme Sequoia Lodge?

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/C3UCOC.jpg
brewery gems/acme collectables


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/ArzmIV.jpg
brewery gems/acme collectables

Well we know that tall glass. .umm. . .flutes(?) were being used in the 1942 photograph.

To see the flutes & the interior of the lodge again go Here
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Mackerm Jun 19, 2021 3:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GaylordWilshire (Post 6626405)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 9315736)
The link doesn't bring up what that UA photo is from. :shrug:

It's from The Crooked Way (1949). (Nice set of screengrabs in this blog post. And props to Google Image search.)

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Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 9307316)
How about a bierpatio behind the lodge ... with a fishpond?


https://i.imgur.com/udDssZb.jpg
digitallibrary.usc.edu

"Perry Hansen, Acme Brewing Co., manager and W.E Alworth, executive secty., Vernon Chamber of Commerce, at Acme's fish pond in patio
of brewery's Seqouoia Lodge. Brewery is at 2080 E 49th St., Vernon"
- February 1953

Here is a set of postcards, one of which might show that round thing as a bench around a tree, with maybe a pond behind:
https://i.postimg.cc/HkvBbYMr/1930-4...odge-los-1.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/3NhB3Wsc/1930-4...e-los-2jpg.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/HkntYqNd/1930-4...odge-los-3.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/gJVVtmxq/1930-4...odge-los-4.jpg

Worthpoint

It looks like Duke University acquired the eBay auction of a set of 18 postcards of the Acme Sequoia lodge.

Martin Pal Jun 19, 2021 6:22 PM

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Thanks for the film identification of the Waldorf Cellar photo, Mackerm. I have not seen this noir before, I may have to check it out.


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Originally Posted by Mackerm (Post 9316254)
It's from The Crooked Way (1949). (Nice set of screengrabs in this blog post. And props to Google Image search.)
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Several years ago HossC found a couple postcards of the Ivanhoe Motor Hotel and was looking for a possible screen grab of it.
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=27854

Here's one of it from Mackerm's link: The neon sign info is enclosed in a neon "I" for Ivanhoe. Heh!


https://filmnoirartblog.files.wordpr...9-15.jpg?w=840

Ivanhoe Motor Hotel, 11925 Wilshire Boulevard, Los Angeles, CA

Norton Manhattan Jun 19, 2021 8:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noir_Noir (Post 9307316)
How about a bierpatio behind the lodge ... with a fishpond?


https://i.imgur.com/udDssZb.jpg
digitallibrary.usc.edu

"Perry Hansen, Acme Brewing Co., manager and W.E Alworth, executive secty., Vernon Chamber of Commerce, at Acme's fish pond in patio
of brewery's Seqouoia Lodge. Brewery is at 2080 E 49th St., Vernon"
- February 1953

Hi Guys, L.A. native and long-time fan of the site, too shy (some might say too ignorant) to post until now, but seeing my uncle W.E. “Bill” Alworth (1896-1972) in Noir-Noir’s Acme fish pond photo was the last straw. It’s high time for me to finally say a belated hello and offer a belated “wow” for the collective LA expertise of the Noirish LA family.

ethereal_reality Jun 19, 2021 9:42 PM

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And here's a big HELLO from everyone on NLA, Norton Manhattan.... Welcome! :)

It's very cool that you found your Uncle Bill in the photograph. He looks rather suave.


Also. . .
I never imagined that there would be a foldout postcard of Acme's Sequoia Lodge. Good find Mackerm .

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...924/Q84Csh.jpg
detail

But WHERE are the breweries that towered over it? ......I bet the postcard company was instructed to leave them out.

AND, unless I'm mistaken, this is the first we've seen of the non-totem 'totem' pole.


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MartinTurnbull Jun 20, 2021 3:29 PM

Tilton's Trolley Trip - Sea to the Orange Groves
 
Somebody sent me these two photos from his grandfather's photo album taken, I assume, when grandpa took a ride on a “Tilton’s Trolley Trip – from Sea to Orange Groves.” We got curious about where the group was standing. I'm assuming that the building with the bell was the San Gabriel Mission but I've never been there. Does it look familiar to anyone? The location in the other photo could be pretty much anywhere, but if it looks familiar to anyone, we'd love to know where this lively group was standing.

https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...yer-copy-2.jpg

https://martinturnbull.com/wp-conten...yer-copy-2.jpg

sopas ej Jun 20, 2021 3:32 PM

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That top pic is definitely the San Gabriel Mission, which incidentally, is undergoing restoration after a huge arson fire last year.

odinthor Jun 20, 2021 7:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinTurnbull (Post 9317120)

Is that a chef off to the right above?

I have no pictures; but could this be some corner of the Foothill Inn of Azusa?

I see "Tilton took a position as the manager of the Foothill Inn, a hotel in Azusa, and which likely was one of the stops for his tours, perhaps the Tally-Ho trip" (at https://homesteadmuseum.blog/2020/07...-23-july-1909/).

The Los Angeles Herald of January 29, 1910, refers to "the new Foothill Inn at Azusa among the orange groves at the base of the foothills. Famous for the excellence of its cuisine."

Plus the LA Times of February 15, 1910, tells us that "George F. Tilton is manager of the new Foothill Inn and the hotel offers every promise of adding to the attractions of Southern California, as well as to the charms of Azusa in particular. The interior is decorated in the best of taste and effective ideas in architecture and gardening are being carried out in the exterior."

:shrug:

CityBoyDoug Jun 21, 2021 1:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinTurnbull (Post 9317120)

The big bell at the top of this photo is where the Tour ended for me as a 3rd grader. We studied the missions in LA Grade schools. The tour guide used to secretly ring that bell and scare us kids. When you stand near the bell it has a deep penetrating sound that can be heard a long distance. :D:D

BillinGlendaleCA Jun 21, 2021 2:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 9317459)
The big bell at the top of this photo is where the Tour ended for me as a 3rd grader. We studied the missions in LA Grade schools. The tour guide used to secretly ring that bell and scare us kids. When you stand near the bell it has a deep penetrating sound that can be heard a long distance. :D:D

They still do study the missions in grade school, I visited Mission Santa Ynez last year and a family with a small child was ahead of me in the admission line. The mom said he was there for a school project on the missions.

CaliNative Jun 21, 2021 8:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 9317459)
The big bell at the top of this photo is where the Tour ended for me as a 3rd grader. We studied the missions in LA Grade schools. The tour guide used to secretly ring that bell and scare us kids. When you stand near the bell it has a deep penetrating sound that can be heard a long distance. :D:D

Isn't the California History curriculum given to 4th graders? I remember that because my 4th grade teacher in elementary school (Oxnard St. school in the Valley) was a very good teacher, and that was when we learned about California history and the missions (way back in 1960). As I remember, they were quite positive about the missions back then. I imagine the 2021 curriculum is more negative about the padre's treatment of the native inhabitants. Anybody know how the missions are treated today in the curriculum, all bad or some good?

CaliNative Jun 21, 2021 8:52 AM

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GaylordWilshire Jun 21, 2021 11:37 AM

Have any Noirishers read this?


https://i.postimg.cc/x152gyhx/everythingbaldwin2.jpg

ethereal_reality Jun 21, 2021 3:23 PM

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No, but I read a review of it yesterday in the nytimes.

Here's a bit of it.

"If his thesis is that Los Angeles is a city-state like ancient Carthage or modern Singapore, perhaps even more convincing is the idea he picks from the physicist and dedicated urban stair-climber Dan Gutierrez: that the megalopolis mirrors (or presaged) the internet, its “networks upon networks layered densely in a mesh,” where motoring from Point A to Point B “felt like social media’s infinite scroll,” human services thin as trapeze nets, full of holes."

ethereal_reality Jun 21, 2021 3:47 PM

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A morning mini-mystery.

A couple weeks ago when I was searching for the Acme Sequoia Lodge I happen upon this ad for the Acme Hotel in the 1888 Los Angeles City Directory.
Frustratingly, the ad doesn't include the address.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/2UXjfp.jpg
LAPL...PAGE 1020


I looked in a few other directories and found the Acme Hotel but still no address.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...922/a35s3k.jpg
LAPL



Somewhat surprisingly the hotel is listed as late as 1923.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/6...924/yX1zoS.jpg
lapl / Paul is a lab so the hotel allowed pets.


I know that the address must be in one of the directories but I didn't come across it. Does anyone know the street address of the Acme Hotel?




Paul isn't really a dog. ....

Noir_Noir Jun 21, 2021 4:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 9317874)
A couple weeks ago when I was searching for the Acme Sequoia Lodge I happen upon this ad for the Acme Hotel in the 1888 Los Angeles City Directory.
Frustratingly, the ad doesn't include the address.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/2UXjfp.jpg


I know that the address must be in one of the directories but I didn't come across it. Does anyone know the street address of the Acme Hotel?


The Acme Hotel was in Pasadena -

https://i.imgur.com/b4Dussy.jpg
rescarta.lapl.org


Poor quality picture despite tweaking, the Acme Hotel building is to the left here at the corner of Fair Oaks and Dayton.

https://i.imgur.com/zPKFtYN.jpg
flickr.com - Loren Roberts

CityBoyDoug Jun 22, 2021 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliNative (Post 9317618)
Isn't the California History curriculum given to 4th graders? I remember that because my 4th grade teacher in elementary school (Oxnard St. school in the Valley) was a very good teacher, and that was when we learned about California history and the missions (way back in 1960). As I remember, they were quite positive about the missions back then. I imagine the 2021 curriculum is more negative about the padre's treatment of the native inhabitants. Anybody know how the missions are treated today in the curriculum, all bad or some good?

Thanks for the correction, it was the 4th Grade. It was lots fun of making little wagons of the Natives of the era. I lived a mile from the San Gabriel Mission.
Not being Catholic it was all new to me. My mother was born Catholic but she had long ago left that faith and my stepfather had very many negative reactions to that church, as his legal clients had complaints about priests offering healings for money. Healings can happen via sincere prayer but its not a good idea to involve money.

I know....I've had it happen. One would be very surprised at what the Celestial Beings can do.


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