I believe 6 is on the assumption Porter launches YYZ-YWG next year. Currently there’s AC, WS, F8, Lynx and soon WO.

Plus AU (Jetlines)

So there will be 4 ULCCs on the route.

LOL. Six carriers on one route? This is how the new guys go bankrupt. Yields must be halfway to the Earth's core on this route.

I doubt Porter is dumb enough to pile on. But we'll see. Also, there sure are a lot of destinations that people are assuming Porter will fly to. But it takes time to take delivery of 50 frames and they are distributed between two hubs. Also, I'm assuming a business focused non-LCC airline is less interested in the ULCC 2-3x per week at a destination. I doubt they launch anything that isn't at least double daily.

Central Canada (Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal) to Vancouver and Calgary make the most sense. Perhaps Miami.

Maybe Winnipeg is the next upcoming hot spot, who knows?

Palm Springs, eat your heart out.

There are actually quite a few 6-carrier routes in Canada, but I don't think there are any 7-carrier routes yet? PD will likely create the first one either way.

Current 6-carrier routes out of YVR
YVR-YYZ AC, WS, TS, WG, F8, Y9
YVR-YLW AC, WS, 4N, 9M, F8, Y9

I'm sure there are some more from YYZ or YUL.

YVR-LAX used to have 6-carriers, now there's only 4 left after AS and DL pulled out.

^ hmm.. I don’t think YUL has any 6 carrier routes. The only one that might have 6 is YUL-YQB, which has AC, TS, 3H, PB, P6 and possibly DU. Not sure DU still operates the route though. So it might only be 5.

If anyone is wondering what most of those airlines are, here’s a helping hand…

https://www.iata.org/en/publications...s/code-search/

Come to think of it, YUL-Toronto (YYZ/YTZ) has 5, and maybe 6, if WG sells seats on the flights it operates between the two. Not sure.

YUL-Paris, YYZ-London and YYZ-Dublin have 4 carriers though. That must be the most, as far as long haul destinations from Canada are concerned. The former route even had 5 carriers a few years ago, when Level operated ORY-YUL on top of the regular 4.

After Flair's recent announcement at YXU, I'm still wondering what the hell the draw of Tuscon is. I'm really curious how well that is selling so far.

DU still operates, at least according to Google and Flightradar.

I consider different airport as different route when I made my previous post though, otherwise Toronto-New York would have more than 6, consider the combinations of YYZ/YTZ-JFK/EWR/LGA.

Sun every day of the year?

Maybe it's not about the draw, it's about the "only choice" because there is no draw. Maybe the requirement from Tucson is to "operate direct service to a Canadian city that have no or very limited sun routes". All the places F8 picked have no or at most 1x weekly service to CUN. YEG is obviously the exception so they can bring the plane south to run the routes.

Oh yeah I already wrote them off before their first RPM!

Depends what it is. Some routes will work daily just fine for Porter. Some leisure jet routes (think NAS, PBI, etc.) will probably be far less than daily. But yeah they won't be doing anything like YYZ-YWG less than 2x. I doubt YYZ-YWG will be in their initial batch of routes.

Hot on the heels of WS ground staff ratifying at YYC and YVR, Unifor are now the bargaining agent for WS's YYZ ground crew.

https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...839842607.html

Someone's forgotten to update First Air to Canadian North. The merger was completed a while ago now.

It looks like from November 14- December 11 2022, British Airways is reducing London LHR- Vancouver YVR flights from 7 to 4x weekly.

British Airways in the last few days extended London Heathrow – Vancouver service reductions, scheduled in the fourth quarter of 2022. Previously scheduled from 14NOV22 to 27NOV22, service reduction from 7 to 4 weekly is now extended to 11DEC22. New 4-class 777-300ER aircraft is scheduled in November and December 2022.

14NOV22 – 27NOV22 Day x246
29NOV22 – 11DEC22 Day x135

BA085 LHR1710 – 1900YVR 77W
BA084 YVR2105 – 1435+1LHR 77W

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220803-ba4q22yvr

Not too surprising as Winter season Canada - London UK & Europe flights are usually less busier & see some frequency reductions every year.

Yep & it looks like from September 12 - October 29 2022, the Eurowings (seasonal) Frankfurt FRA- Calgary YYC flights is 3x weekly on Monday, Thursday & Saturday,with the Finnair Airbus A350 plane ✈️ operating it still.

Although it’s 4x weekly from August 1-September 10.
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Also looks like Eurowings has extended the (seasonal) Frankfurt FRA – Halifax YHZ 2 weekly flights to until September 29 too & with Airbus A330 operating it.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/220804-ewns22ca

London is 2 hour drive from 2 major airports and a couple smaller airports with decent sun options. In all the social media about this, I didn't see any evidence of people saying "yay, Tuscon, I've been waiting for this". More like "where the hell is Tuscon?" You look at Tuscon on Google Earth and you might as well be looking at Iraq, except Iraq at least has water around it. We aren't sun-deprived prisoners here, I doubt a lot of people are going to Tuscon simply because they are the only choice. Which they aren't given all the Caribbean options we get every winter. The people going to Tuscon are going because of the cheap intro fares. After those are sold out, I think sales are going to be pretty soft for Flair. And there will be zero demand from the other end to come here.

The Pima Air and Space Museum is pretty cool, as is Davis-Monthan AFB.

I could see it being a cheaper Sunbird destination, given that Phoenix is getting pricier.

That being said, I do question how long the route lasts but Flair has continued to surprise me.

I would rather go to Reno than Tuscon. That is saying a lot, Reno use to have wide body service with Canadian Pacific and now there is not a Canadian airline flying there.

I always thought of Tucson as being a golf destination.

That was my immediate reaction. I've always been under the impression that snowbirds in AZ were just as common as snowbirds in FL, but that AZ leaned much more towards golfing.