Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 8583993)

There's been no hint of that thus far, has there? :shrug:

Originally Posted by CityTech (Post 8585605)

I wonder if YUL might lose some low frequency routes to YYZ as part of that merger. For PRG, for example, there is a 3x weekly from YYZ on AC and a 1x weekly from YUL on TS. It might make sense to scrap that YUL route and add a 4th trip to YYZ-PRG instead.

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8585770)

I dont understand your logic. Care to explain?

Why did AC start a low frequency YUL-LIM? They already serve YYZ-LIM.
Why did AC start a low frequency YUL-TLV? They already serve YYZ-TLV.
Why is AC starting a low frequency YUL-GRU? They already serve daily YYZ-GRU.

These last few examples should answer your question about flight consolidations.

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8585906)

Rouge can be different. But for mainline long-hual, AC usually don't start a route from a different hub unless it already have at least daily service to the city from another hub. This seems to be the case for DUB, ICN, TLV, GRU, DEL, etc. I can almost guaranteed the next European destination that AC will start out of YVR is the one that already receive daily service from YYZ. Meanwhile, it is less likely for AC to start another Asian route from YYZ because the only Asian destination that's served daily from YVR but have no service from elsewhere is BNE.. :D

For non-leasure mid/short-hual/mainline domestic/express, if they can't run the route daily at least during the peak season, they won't bother with it at all.

Originally Posted by CityTech (Post 8585838)

For routes like PRG where both YYZ and YUL service are low frequency, scrapping a TS route to YUL to bring YYZ closer to daily makes sense.

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8586036)

As for YVR-Europe, FCO is the next logical destination. Dont know if that is going to happen in the short/medium term.

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8586056)

Hmm... For YVR-Europe, I actually put BCN and MAN before FCO...

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8586036)

You said it.

Rouge is different.

PRG is a leisure destination. Similar to ATH.

Back in 2013, AC launched both YYZ-ATH and YUL-ATH at the same time, both less than daily.

When AC takes over Transat, they wont treat PRG any different than ATH or BCN or VCE.

As for YVR-Europe, FCO is the next logical destination. Dont know if that is going to happen in the short/medium term. So yes, your reasoning is sound for mainline long haul.



It doesn't make sense, not for PRG.

If TS flies YUL-PRG, it's because they are making money with the O&D from YUL to PRG. Forcing those folk to backtrack to YYZ just for the sake of capturing a limited amount of business opportunity from Toronto with a daily flight will mean those people from YUL might connect elsewhere in Europe to go to PRG. So you're losing revenue, and the business traffic isn't there to make up for the difference out of Toronto.

This is the same reason why AC launched ATH from both YYZ and YUL at the same time with less than daily service to both. To capture the O&D from both cities.

Also, as far as 6th freedom traffic is concerned, YUL and YYZ can be complementary, not mutually exclusive.

ex. A person wanting to fly from Pittsburgh to PRG can get there via YYZ and then return via YUL.

YYZ doesn't have to be the only hub with PRG service, as both YYZ and YUL have service to PIT.

So by leaving the flights as is, you're capturing the higher yielding O&D from both YYZ and YUL to PRG, and you're still capturing 6th freedom traffic to/from the US with complementary (up to) daily service to PRG from both YYZ/YUL (as an example)

win/win

Originally Posted by CityTech (Post 8586295)

I agree for leisure, but I think PRG is more of a business destination than people think. Surprising amount of corporate activity there and it is part of the "Emerging Europe" area. Some market research would be cool to see.

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8586982)

More routes got Rouged this week:
YYZ-PBI
YUL-PBI

Also service will increase from 2x to 4x weekly for YUL-NAS

Lots of small changes for Rouge and non-MAX sun flying, most gain or lose 1x weekly, or upgauge from Rouge 319 to 320/321.

Originally Posted by Glacier (Post 8583444)

One huge factor to consider is that Victoria is a lot closer to Vancouver or Seattle than Kelowna is. My relatives in Victoria take the ferry over to Vancouver and fly out from there (because it's a lot cheaper). By contrast, we fly out of Kelowna because the 6 hour drive to Vancouver is too costly to make up for the price difference.

Originally Posted by rakesh (Post 8587749)

Flying into Edmonton from Toronto on Monday June 2. Will be in Edmonton and Calgary for a week vacationing and attending a couple of interviews. If I get both the jobs I am interviewing for then I will have to choose between Edmonton and Calgary. Kinda over Toronto after 10 years of living here. I mean it's a great city but the real estate prices are crazy and I don't intend to rent for the rest of my life. Btw, first time in Alberta, should be fun.

Originally Posted by d_jeffrey (Post 8588709)

Edmonton is a beautiful city and less of the go-go-go work attitude. That would be my choice.

Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 8587580)

One other thing to consider is that YLW has a bit (not much, but probably 2%) of connecting traffic given its geography, whereas YYJ has pretty much none as every connection would involve backtracking.

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 8588716)

I was going to say that, unless you work on Bay St, Edmonton would offer a more familiar "feel" to a Torontonian than would Calgary. Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by rakesh (Post 8588859)

Thanks guys. Fingers crossed for the interviews. I really like Edmonton as well. More artsy and gay friendly than Calgary from what I hear. But honestly cannot wait to move and make new friends (which is gonna be hard I guess since I am in my 30s now). I also hear that the food scene in both cities is pretty great these days. Foodie here. So excited about that :)