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Grumpy May 29, 2005 9:49 PM

BERLIN - the update thread
 
Anything going on here ?
It has been a while someone posted something about this city....

Wasn't there a huge proposal to change the famous Alexanderplatz ??

Matty May 30, 2005 5:06 PM

I'd also like to know.

nito May 30, 2005 9:17 PM

I actually have pictures from Berlin Town Hall showing the actual models of Alexanderplatx - around 7 towers, 2 definately 150m+

Alas exams mean I can not waste much time, but later...

Grumpy May 31, 2005 3:59 PM

I wait :)

Euh how is the situation with the metro extensions or better the entire urban network towards the future ?
What is planned and/or approved ?

Grumpy Jun 1, 2005 8:17 PM

Here is the study on the Alex -in german- :

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...lexanderplatz/

an impression of what it could become :

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...ktiven_800.jpg

Matty Jun 2, 2005 2:51 AM

No offense, but yawners.

They should steal architects from Frankfort.

Jai-C Jun 2, 2005 4:16 AM

These pictures aren't proper proposals just studies. The problem with Berlin's future skyscrapers is that current vacancy rates are too high and the rents are too low. As long as the real estate market has not recovered this skyscraper planning is nothing more than a vision.

Grumpy Jun 2, 2005 7:44 PM

BLN Hauptbahnhof

http://www.db.de/site/shared/de/bild...type=large.jpg
http://www.db.de/site/shared/de/bild...type=large.jpg
http://www.db.de/site/shared/de/bild...type=large.jpg

Anschutz Arena

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwel...tball_Nord.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwel...ektiveSued.jpg
http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwel...a/Suedwest.jpg

Zoofenster

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...12_379x650.jpg

Neues Schimmelpfennig Haus

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...kg_450x675.jpg

Areal Postbahnhof

http://morgenpost.berlin1.de/z/photo...519e13_bmp.jpg

Am Zirkus

http://morgenpost.berlin1.de/z/photo...a6a639_bmp.jpg

Leipziger Platz

http://www.potsdamer-platz.net/images/leipzpl.jpg

Alexanderplatz

some impressions:

http://www.alexanderplatz.de/modellkollhoff.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...x/lageplan.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...exanderstr.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...rcksen_str.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...gruner_str.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...ltaire_str.jpg

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...3d_ansicht.jpg

canucklehead2 Jun 2, 2005 8:34 PM

I was just about to start a thread asking about Alexanderplatz. Personally, I think they should preserve the look and feel of the area, even if it still remains a symbol of the cities recent Communist past. I really hate when architecture is redesigned for political reasons, and this seems to be the case about downtown east Berlin. By making it generic modern European it loses the essense of what it unique, and why the area has become sort of a tourist attraction onto itself.

Grumpy Jun 4, 2005 8:52 AM

2 scale modells

http://img108.exs.cx/img108/8330/alexa2ng.jpg

http://img108.exs.cx/img108/1594/alexa23bu.jpg

ninja Jun 4, 2005 9:46 AM

How can they do all of this with a bad economy?

DTiger Jun 5, 2005 1:14 AM

The economy isn't bad anymore. Actually it was the best in the euro area in the first 3 months of this year

The Dear Leader Jun 5, 2005 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canucklehead2
I was just about to start a thread asking about Alexanderplatz. Personally, I think they should preserve the look and feel of the area, even if it still remains a symbol of the cities recent Communist past. I really hate when architecture is redesigned for political reasons, and this seems to be the case about downtown east Berlin. By making it generic modern European it loses the essense of what it unique, and why the area has become sort of a tourist attraction onto itself.

Alexanderplatz is downright disgusting. It's faceless and ugly, so if it became faceless and decent looking it would be a huge improvement IMO.

nito Jun 5, 2005 1:47 PM

The Berlin Model (built, u/c and future)
 
The Berlin Model in Berlin


The following are pictures taken from the Berlin Town Hall Model Room (way back in Easter this year - been so busy that I aint been able to find time to post all these pictures and lots more). White models indicate buildings already built, the wood-colour blocks indicate buildings either built, u/c or future proposals after 1990-2000. The main future proposals being around Alexanderplatz (where all those towers are)...currently only masking blocks, but general dimensions for the very long term (Berlin has a very high vacancy rate for the moment and near future).



http://img146.echo.cx/img146/2462/015sa.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/3701/027cs.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/6553/031gm.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/1593/041hv.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/7648/054jg.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/9708/062eq.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/7029/079vz.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/9766/090jg.jpg


http://img146.echo.cx/img146/1834/103sx.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/1497/172pk.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/6817/117lm.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/2386/257mi.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/2835/122sm.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/my.php?image=137ck.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/8951/292hd.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/674/146ge.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/7742/158fx.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/7715/162bo.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/8388/183nv.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/9571/199li.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/4051/203lo.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/7553/213ek.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/9654/227df.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/5911/231wl.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/1578/282hg.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/8951/292hd.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/1484/246ni.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/8312/266iz.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/5869/275vz.jpg


http://img291.echo.cx/img291/1355/305rb.jpg

nito Jun 5, 2005 1:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nick_taylor
I actually have pictures from Berlin Town Hall showing the actual models of Alexanderplatx - around 7 towers, 2 definately 150m+

Alas exams mean I can not waste much time, but later...

Exams over and here they are (around 30 pics):


http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...threadid=77939



Alexanderplatz is a shit hole - looks old, doesn't fit in with the way Berlin is going and is quite literally a tumour on the city. Bonus is that I got free beer while there :laugh:

Grumpy Jun 5, 2005 4:30 PM

I adore scale modells and this one is very interesting !
How long does this exhibition goes on ?

nito Jun 5, 2005 5:11 PM

This is a permanent exhibition I believe. I took more pictures which actually show Berlin at other stages in its history - I might give a taster of them in a few minutes. 2 of the other models of Berlin are shown in the background in these two pictures:

http://img291.echo.cx/img291/8312/266iz.jpg

http://img291.echo.cx/img291/5869/275vz.jpg

nito Jun 5, 2005 5:18 PM

http://img292.echo.cx/img292/6656/a1je.jpg

http://img296.echo.cx/img296/5456/b5ht.jpg

http://img292.echo.cx/img292/9144/c0cr.jpg

http://img296.echo.cx/img296/6860/d0bs.jpg

http://img296.echo.cx/img296/4897/e1ic.jpg

Grumpy Jun 5, 2005 7:30 PM

It is a permanent exhibition !!

„Stadtentwicklung – Pläne, Modelle, Projekte“ - die Ausstellung in der Behrenstraße

Die ständige Ausstellung „Stadtentwicklung – Pläne, Modelle, Projekte“ macht zwei Innenstadtmodelle in den Maßstäben 1:500 und 1:1.000 sowie das Planmodell der DDR aus dem Jahr 1989 der Öffentlichkeit zugänglich.

Beide Innenstadtmodelle ergänzen sich in ihren unterschiedlichen Maßstäben und räumlichen Details. Ergänzt werden diese Modelle durch eine interaktive Präsentation des digitalen 3D-Stadtmodells sowie die erstmalig auf der 7. Architektur-Biennale 2000 in Venedig gezeigte Ausstellung "Physiognomie einer Großstadt. Berlin 1945 - 1953 - 1989 - 2000 - 2010".

Ausstellungsort
Senatsverwaltung für Stadtentwicklung
Behrenstraße 42
in Berlin-Mitte
zu erreichen mit der U-Bahn Linie U6, U-Bhf Französische Straße
oder per Bus: 100, 147, 200, 348

Grumpy Jun 5, 2005 8:05 PM

found a 3D modell of the Potzdamer Platz

http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.d...erung2D_3D.gif

wisla_krakow Jun 5, 2005 11:50 PM

Is that cluster of hi-rises the Potzdamer Platz in Nick's first post?

Grumpy Jun 6, 2005 6:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wisla_krakow
Is that cluster of hi-rises the Potzdamer Platz in Nick's first post?

yes , you mean this one I think

http://img291.echo.cx/img291/674/146ge.jpg

qazwsx Jun 6, 2005 8:43 AM

Cool, Berlin is going to have beautiful skyline.:cool:

wisla_krakow Jun 6, 2005 11:33 PM

No I meant this one on the right:

http://img291.echo.cx/img291/5869/275vz.jpg

CrimsonARC Jun 7, 2005 4:07 PM

The one on the right is the proposal for the redevelopment of Alexanderplatz.

http://img291.echo.cx/img291/6817/117lm.jpg

Potsdamer Platz is the cluster of buildings on the bottom left of the image you posted, just below the Tiergarten.

wisla_krakow Jun 8, 2005 10:45 PM

Thanks.

Bernd Jun 11, 2005 4:19 AM

That Alexanderplatz one will never come to pass.

Love the last shot of the Tiergarten looking east.

DTiger Jun 11, 2005 4:54 PM

Postdamer Platz:

http://img268.echo.cx/img268/5783/146ge4wj.jpg

http://img268.echo.cx/img268/2707/po...edseite1dc.jpg

http://img268.echo.cx/img268/6483/so...erplatz0lw.jpg

Pariser Platz:

http://img268.echo.cx/img268/2316/246ni3ha.jpg

http://img268.echo.cx/img268/609/bra...aerenkr3pb.jpg

The last building will be the US embassy. It is in construction right now.

Main Station:

http://img124.echo.cx/img124/308/183nv5ri.jpg

http://img143.echo.cx/img143/5648/050516a010ts.jpg

http://img143.echo.cx/img143/9896/050516a157dr.jpg

Grumpy Jun 14, 2005 6:43 AM

I cannot find info on the Spreesinus project ... who can help me with this ?

one very bored guy Jun 14, 2005 1:54 PM

Love that new Hauptbahnhof they are building, I got off at it last year, and part of it is already up. Only problem is that I heard it won't be finished until 2020!

2020!

Now that's one slow construction. Maybe I read wrong, or it was a misprint - I certainly hope so.

DTiger Jun 14, 2005 3:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by one very bored guy
Love that new Hauptbahnhof they are building, I got off at it last year, and part of it is already up. Only problem is that I heard it won't be finished until 2020!

2020!

Now that's one slow construction. Maybe I read wrong, or it was a misprint - I certainly hope so.

2020? :uhh:

It will be finished some days before the WC will start in the next year. :)

http://img216.echo.cx/img216/1553/050612055jx.jpg

http://img216.echo.cx/img216/6608/050612336oq.jpg:

TheBerliner Jun 14, 2005 6:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy
I cannot find info on the Spreesinus project ... who can help me with this ?

They cancelled it. Sad story, it was a really cool design.

SHiRO Jun 14, 2005 8:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jai-C
These pictures aren't proper proposals just studies. The problem with Berlin's future skyscrapers is that current vacancy rates are too high and the rents are too low. As long as the real estate market has not recovered this skyscraper planning is nothing more than a vision.

But a very nice vision nonetheless! :)

Grumpy Jun 14, 2005 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBerliner
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy
I cannot find info on the Spreesinus project ... who can help me with this ?

They cancelled it. Sad story, it was a really cool design.

What a pity :(
Got any renderings for me ?

Grumpy Jun 17, 2005 7:04 AM

to follow the activities , a couple are taking continuiosly pictures which can be seen here :

http://www.ekunkel.de

TheBerliner Jun 17, 2005 5:35 PM

^ Nice site, some interesting shots of smaller stations around Berlin.

btw, I didn't find any photos of Spreesinus either.

nito Jun 17, 2005 8:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by one very bored guy
Love that new Hauptbahnhof they are building, I got off at it last year, and part of it is already up. Only problem is that I heard it won't be finished until 2020!

2020!

Now that's one slow construction. Maybe I read wrong, or it was a misprint - I certainly hope so.

Only problem is the fact that its quite literally in the middle of nowhere. It will be a crucial north-south + wes-east axis connection, but the business development that will be built is not required in a city that quite simply has far too much vacant office space. It should have been built in Mitte.

Grumpy Jul 5, 2005 10:17 AM

I see on several renderings the old Landsberger Straße back.
Any reason why ??

Grumpy Nov 7, 2005 10:35 PM

posted by R@ptor in another section of SSP:

this building -Palast der Republik- is going to be demolished :

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5886/32159843dt.jpg

DTiger Nov 10, 2005 3:44 PM

^ Yes finally! :)
The Berlin castle will be reconstructed on that place!
The Palace Facades will be Exclusively Financed by Donations. Costs between 360 and 800 million €

www.berliner-schloss.de
www.berliner-stadtschloss.de

Berlin Castle (before the war)
http://www.kulmbach.net/~MGF-Gymnasi...dtschloss3.jpg

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/531...32346330ze.jpg

http://www.eldaco.net/admin/ref/pic_...0621204415.jpg

http://www.eldaco.net/admin/ref/pic_...0621230143.jpg

http://www.eldaco.net/admin/ref/pic_...0621204449.jpg

http://www.berliner-schloss.de/picup...0801223646.jpg

http://www.eldaco.net/admin/ref/pic_...0621204543.jpg

http://www.berliner-schloss.de/picup...0802145305.jpg

Grumpy Nov 10, 2005 10:47 PM

Costs between 360 and 800 million € :eek:

How long is this going to last then to get all this money ?

DTiger Nov 10, 2005 11:18 PM

Only the facades will be financed by donations. That will be around 80 million €! Everything else will be financed by the governemnt.
Everyone can buy parts of the facade. For example one of the 5 portal has been already sold.

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7...nnen0yh.th.jpg

AJW Nov 11, 2005 3:20 AM

It's freakin huge!!

James Bond Agent 007 Nov 17, 2005 8:22 AM

Wow, cool stuff!

clintmlutes Nov 17, 2005 4:41 PM

alexanderplatz
 
yeah, they couldn't even give the okay for a 30 story building at alexanderplatz, let alone a whole cluster of 30+ story buildings. i do like the idea of leaving the side of alexanderplatz with the fountain and rathaus the way it is and making something totally crazy out of the other side.

clintmlutes Nov 17, 2005 5:20 PM

there are many many problems with the tearing down of this building and the building of the palace. first of all the water table is so high in berlin that actually it may take much more money just to keep the water out. they don't know exactly how the earth will react. plus somehow the berliner dome across the street may be so severely affected that it could fall in on itself. also, they can't get the money to build the old palace and it will cost tons of taxpayers money that frankly germany and berlin don't have to spare.

from my point of view, the building should stay and they should use the structure to create a totally new building. so many people from the east say that they have amazing memories of seeing shows on the (quite up to date) theater stage inside and since the city wants to help the local arts community (especially dance) create new spaces, why not one in the center of the city - especially since the city lacks a world-class dance center which almost every other city in europe has. inside the building the space is quite functional and useable (and immense). i see no reason to destroy so much history in order to replace it with another history that one would rather have.

i say save the palast der republik. there is a last ditch effort happening now to do just that.

James Bond Agent 007 Nov 24, 2005 2:52 AM

Wow, cool models!

I wonder who has the job of being the keeper of that model. That would be a cool job. :D

tuy Nov 24, 2005 6:34 AM

Potsdammer Platz is great to experience in person. I just stayed five nights at the Grand Hyatt Berlin, and had a little time away from my conference to explore the area.

Grumpy Nov 24, 2005 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clintmlutes

i say save the palast der republik. there is a last ditch effort happening now to do just that.

What are you going to use it for ??
As a relic of the former DDR or are you going to do something with it so it still can be usefull ?

Rambam Nov 25, 2005 3:26 AM

I will be in Berlin this winter and must see this exhibit. Could someone translate the address:


"Ausstellungsort
Senatsverwaltung für Stadtentwicklung
Behrenstraße 42
in Berlin-Mitte"

I'm assuming these directions mean U bahn line 6 station "Französische Straße"?

zu erreichen mit der U-Bahn Linie U6, U-Bhf Französische Straße
oder per Bus: 100, 147, 200, 348


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