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Grumpy Nov 10, 2005 10:47 PM

Costs between 360 and 800 million € :eek:

How long is this going to last then to get all this money ?

DTiger Nov 10, 2005 11:18 PM

Only the facades will be financed by donations. That will be around 80 million €! Everything else will be financed by the governemnt.
Everyone can buy parts of the facade. For example one of the 5 portal has been already sold.

http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/7...nnen0yh.th.jpg

AJW Nov 11, 2005 3:20 AM

It's freakin huge!!

James Bond Agent 007 Nov 17, 2005 8:22 AM

Wow, cool stuff!

clintmlutes Nov 17, 2005 4:41 PM

alexanderplatz
 
yeah, they couldn't even give the okay for a 30 story building at alexanderplatz, let alone a whole cluster of 30+ story buildings. i do like the idea of leaving the side of alexanderplatz with the fountain and rathaus the way it is and making something totally crazy out of the other side.

clintmlutes Nov 17, 2005 5:20 PM

there are many many problems with the tearing down of this building and the building of the palace. first of all the water table is so high in berlin that actually it may take much more money just to keep the water out. they don't know exactly how the earth will react. plus somehow the berliner dome across the street may be so severely affected that it could fall in on itself. also, they can't get the money to build the old palace and it will cost tons of taxpayers money that frankly germany and berlin don't have to spare.

from my point of view, the building should stay and they should use the structure to create a totally new building. so many people from the east say that they have amazing memories of seeing shows on the (quite up to date) theater stage inside and since the city wants to help the local arts community (especially dance) create new spaces, why not one in the center of the city - especially since the city lacks a world-class dance center which almost every other city in europe has. inside the building the space is quite functional and useable (and immense). i see no reason to destroy so much history in order to replace it with another history that one would rather have.

i say save the palast der republik. there is a last ditch effort happening now to do just that.

James Bond Agent 007 Nov 24, 2005 2:52 AM

Wow, cool models!

I wonder who has the job of being the keeper of that model. That would be a cool job. :D

tuy Nov 24, 2005 6:34 AM

Potsdammer Platz is great to experience in person. I just stayed five nights at the Grand Hyatt Berlin, and had a little time away from my conference to explore the area.

Grumpy Nov 24, 2005 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clintmlutes

i say save the palast der republik. there is a last ditch effort happening now to do just that.

What are you going to use it for ??
As a relic of the former DDR or are you going to do something with it so it still can be usefull ?

Rambam Nov 25, 2005 3:26 AM

I will be in Berlin this winter and must see this exhibit. Could someone translate the address:


"Ausstellungsort
Senatsverwaltung für Stadtentwicklung
Behrenstraße 42
in Berlin-Mitte"

I'm assuming these directions mean U bahn line 6 station "Französische Straße"?

zu erreichen mit der U-Bahn Linie U6, U-Bhf Französische Straße
oder per Bus: 100, 147, 200, 348

Grumpy Nov 25, 2005 10:36 AM

towers that were cancelled :

http://www.emporis.com/files/transfe.../02/141757.jpg

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/8...19930017of.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8...ster0016kt.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/7...hochhaus00.jpg

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/5...rplatz0010.jpg

http://dastier.dtsb.de/Fotos/Berlin(...20(arch+)1.jpg

http://dastier.dtsb.de/Fotos/Berlin(.../Eisenmann.jpg

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1486/66x26vw.jpg

ca. 200m

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/626/81berlin.jpg

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/da...reedreieck.jpg

http://www.elcroquis.es/elcroquis/Im...REEDREIECK.jpg

Slovenija Nov 25, 2005 10:33 PM

More Comparison Photos on my favorite project in Europe:

Before:
http://www.berliner-schloss.de/picup...0120104941.jpg

After:
http://www.berliner-schloss.de/picup...0120105046.jpg

Before:
http://www.berliner-schloss.de/picup...0120105852.jpg

After:
http://www.berliner-schloss.de/picup...0120105629.jpg

Before:
http://www.berliner-schloss.de/picup...0120110213.jpg

After:
http://www.berliner-schloss.de/picup...0120105238.jpg

DTiger Nov 26, 2005 1:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rambam
I'm assuming these directions mean U bahn line 6 station "Französische Straße"?

Yes that's right! :tup:

DTiger Dec 2, 2005 4:04 PM

Berlin has a lot of important small projects right now. Here are some of them:

Oper Carree.

http://www.deutsches-architektur-for...n_Carree_1.jpg

Gendarmen-Palais
http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._Carree_31.jpg

Das Behrenpalais
http://www.operncarree.de/img/behrenspalais/head_01.jpg

Das Markgrafenpalais
http://www.operncarree.de/img/markgr...is/head_01.jpg

Das Grand Hotel de Rome
http://www.deutsches-architektur-for..._Carree_21.jpg

Government buildings:

http://www.bbr.bund.de/bauen/grafik/bmu_vogelschau.jpg

http://www.bbr.bund.de/bauen/grafik/...erspektive.jpg

Römischer Hof (Palazzo Italia unter den Linden)

http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/614/img10576si.jpg

Embassy of Saudi Arabia

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/8...ojektphoto.jpg

Embassy of Korea

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4...46eafbbc45.jpg

DTiger Dec 2, 2005 4:09 PM

One of my favourite projects in Berlin are the Townhouses

http://www.berlin-townhouses.de/imag...n/lageplan.gif

Every Townhouse will look different.

http://img144.echo.cx/img144/5560/an...nhouses6kw.jpg

olga Dec 2, 2005 6:24 PM

^Wow, that looks like an absolutely lovely project! Super.


I agree with clintmlutes about destroying the Palast der Republik. Make something out of the existing building instead of rebuilding the old schloss. I'm not a fan of historic reconstructions. In some cases it's totally OK, but not if it means tearing down other buildings with an interesting and important history. Grumpy - I guess it would cost less to make something functionable out of the Palast than rebuilding that castle.

Jai-C Dec 3, 2005 4:07 PM

The history of the Stadschloss is at least as interesting as the history of the "Palast der Republik". If there's somebody to blame it's the communists who tore down the Stadtschloss in the first place.

DTiger Dec 3, 2005 5:43 PM

I agree! If they really want to keep it they can rebuilt the Palast somewhere between the commieblocks in east Berlin. There is no room for this building in the middle of Berlin. The facade is just a ugly mantle of a hated government and there's nothing historic inside anymore. But it's already decided anyway most of the Berliners want the castle back and the new government support it as well.

olga Dec 4, 2005 10:41 AM

Good for you.

DTiger Jan 4, 2006 2:16 PM

New Embassy of the United States on Pariser Platz
 
The United States government broke ground for the construction of the new American Embassy on Pariser Platz in October 2004. The building will open for business in the spring of 2008.

Renderings:
http://www.usembassy.de/germany/img/...riserplatz.pdf
http://www.usembassy.de/germany/img/...renstrasse.pdf
http://www.usembassy.de/germany/img/...5816/arial.pdf

The structure will rise four and a quarter levels above the intersection of Behrenstrasse and Ebertstrasse and will close the last frontage on the historic Pariser Platz. The Embassy project is possible and will benefit from improvements to the street scape and historically sensitive renovations to the Platz and the urban gardens. A green band of trees, gardens and walkways will be created along the street fronts. The overall design has been enriched by extensive critique and collaboration with the Urban Planning authorities of Stadt Berlin and a sensitivity to the surrounding historic quarter required by the client, the Office of Overseas Building Operations of the United States Department of State.

The project is by the acclaimed American architect Moore Ruble Yudell of Santa Monica, California. The palette of materials and design features have been carefully considered to complement the setting and to provide an open yet secure presentation of America.

http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/3...aerenkr6sp.jpg

http://img420.imageshack.us/img420/3...malluft8qt.jpg


Newest construction photos can be found here:
http://deutsches-architektur-forum.d...ead.php?t=4060


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