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Mr Downtown Aug 7, 2019 3:38 AM

The presentation from Monday's Section 106 meeting is online.

blacktrojan3921 Aug 22, 2019 9:57 AM

I think it's safe to say that the Obama Center will be built in Jackson Park. After the complete disaster that was the Lucas Museum and the disingenous efforts of environmental groups like Friends of the Park, it's probable that many Chicagoans will support this project no matter what.

nomarandlee Aug 22, 2019 1:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blacktrojan3921 (Post 8666010)
I think it's safe to say that the Obama Center will be built in Jackson Park. After the complete disaster that was the Lucas Museum and the disingenous efforts of environmental groups like Friends of the Park, it's probable that many Chicagoans will support this project no matter what.

As fun as it is to portray those who don't go along with our sentiments as evil villains, I don't think there was much insincere at all about the FOP arguments. In fact, I think they were very earnest but just many advocacy and institutions, in general, they find no vice in their principles, interest, or greed. They simply abandoned a good deal of realism and practicality in their pursuit. But thank goodness for them because when they are on the right side of history they are exactly the type of groups we want going to bat for the public. Those who completely let the vanity and stubbornness of Lucas off the hook in that equation I will never understand.

The mantra of simply, "well the mob wants it", or the Pols and the connected in this city want it so they should run roughshod over the process is a mindset that will eventually come to bit us all in the arse. A situation that appears to very possibly be replaying itself in this situation here and that should with questions of opaque insider dealing and serious design and financial questions regarding the project.

XIII Aug 26, 2019 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by nomarandlee (Post 8666119)
As fun as it is to portray those who don't go along with our sentiments as evil villains, I don't think there was much insincere at all about the FOP arguments.

Remember how FoPL advocated for replacing 31st street park space with parking lots right after they killed the Lucas Museum? They successfully prevented 12 new acres of privately funded parkland to save 1,500 lakefront parking spaces.

https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicag...t?oid=22748552

FoPL takes a lot of money from people to protect their lakefront views. Lets not kid ourselves that they actually have any sort of community interest in mind. They've had no issue with the Hamilton building, Cavalia, or new parking lots. But La Spata and Irizzary were more than happy to blow up a new museum that when it stood a little too tall.

nomarandlee Aug 26, 2019 4:44 PM

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Originally Posted by XIII (Post 8669255)
Remember how FoPL advocated for replacing 31st street park space with parking lots right after they killed the Lucas Museum? They successfully prevented 12 new acres of privately funded parkland to save 1,500 lakefront parking spaces.

https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicag...t?oid=22748552

FoPL takes a lot of money from people to protect their lakefront views. Lets not kid ourselves that they actually have any sort of community interest in mind. They've had no issue with the Hamilton building, Cavalia, or new parking lots. But La Spata and Irizzary were more than happy to blow up a new museum that when it stood a little too tall.

So are you putting forth the conspiracy that FOP is really a parking lot/auto advocacy group parading as a lakefront protection/green space group?

Well, I'm not going to go down the tin-foil hat wormhole that promises to be. Granted, I think they were impractical regarding the Lucas and as the article states, " letting the perfect be the enemy of the good". Also as the article states the park district should really release a study on the necessity of future parking requirements there.

As to the merits of the parking spot at 31st, if parking is deemed warranted for future requirements then by looking at the map in the article that having the parking between the no man's land that is west of LSD/east of the IC train tracks is probably the ideal place to put it. That area is set up so it will NEVER be developable or utilized park/community space.
So in that respect yea, it seems an ideal place to put the inevitable parking for the major public space that the harbor/beach at 31st. Much preferable to adding parking (or hopefully one day remove parking) east of LSD on what ideally would be lakefront/parkland.

ardecila Aug 26, 2019 6:08 PM

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Originally Posted by nomarandlee (Post 8669289)
So are you putting forth the conspiracy that FOP is really a parking lot/auto advocacy group parading as a lakefront protection/green space group?

You don't have to make that logical leap. I don't think they are necessarily pro-car. Groups like FOTP function as part of coalitions, and FOTP's progressive coalition is now focused on social justice above all else. If they think the parking shortage at 31st St is a result of discrimination, or if they think discrimination elsewhere (in incomes, transit service, etc) pushes African-Americans into cars disproportionately, they will argue for more parking even at the expense of parkland, because they don't want to be tagged as anti-progressive or neoliberal.

FOTP did argue against a new parking lot near me in Harrison Park, and I'm glad they did so... Harrison Park is tightly integrated into Pilsen, and primarily serves the neighborhood, so people *should* be walking there, even low-income folks. The perception was that the parking lot intended to serve people from outside the community coming in to visit the Mexican Art Museum.

The lakefront is a regional amenity and draws people from many miles inland. The wall-to-wall barbecues at 31st St especially, since they are large gatherings that draw family members and friends from across the city.

blacktrojan3921 Aug 29, 2019 7:59 PM

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Originally Posted by XIII (Post 8669255)
Remember how FoPL advocated for replacing 31st street park space with parking lots right after they killed the Lucas Museum? They successfully prevented 12 new acres of privately funded parkland to save 1,500 lakefront parking spaces.

https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicag...t?oid=22748552

FoPL takes a lot of money from people to protect their lakefront views. Lets not kid ourselves that they actually have any sort of community interest in mind. They've had no issue with the Hamilton building, Cavalia, or new parking lots. But La Spata and Irizzary were more than happy to blow up a new museum that when it stood a little too tall.

Exactly; and it's safe to say that, if the Obama Presidential Library is defeated, it might actually be more harmful to Jackson Park in the long run, since no doubt another big project -lead by someone who cares less about the park- will get a lot of support from Chicagoans from the North and West Side who will feel alienated by South Siders; and City government.

SamInTheLoop Aug 29, 2019 9:57 PM

^ Wut?

If a legal challenge to the Obama Center is successful, it will lead to Northsiders and Westsiders feeling alienated by Southsiders.

Huh?

sammyg Aug 30, 2019 3:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop (Post 8673092)
^ Wut?

If a legal challenge to the Obama Center is successful, it will lead to Northsiders and Westsiders feeling alienated by Southsiders.

Huh?

Yeah - proponents of the library are already characterizing the opponents as Northsiders from outside the neighborhood.

pilsenarch Aug 30, 2019 4:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sammyg (Post 8673727)
Yeah - proponents of the library are already characterizing the opponents as Northsiders from outside the neighborhood.

Which is absolutely 100% accurate...

the urban politician Sep 9, 2019 6:46 PM

https://therealdeal.com/chicago/2019...using-formula/

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Obama Center’s neighbors rally for property tax freeze, new affordable housing formula
The Woodlawn protest shut down an intersection for 15 minutes on Thursday

September 09, 2019

The Obama Center’s future neighbors shut down a Woodlawn intersection Thursday with demands to mitigate what they fear will lead to higher rents and displacement.

More than 100 activists, many clad in Kenwood-Oakland Community Organization gear, chanted “CBA,” and “If we don’t get it, shut it down,” Block Club Chicago reported Friday.

The CBA — a community benefits agreement proposed July 24 — would freeze property taxes in the area and require 30 percent affordable housing on new developments, according to Block Club.

The push comes as the new library and community center threatens to drive up the cost of living and property taxes, potentially displacing current Woodlawn residents.

The ordinance would need to be approved by both Cook County and the City Council to place all demands in effect, according to Block Club.

A study released Thursday showed that new apartments around the Obama Center would be too expensive for current Woodlawn residents, and a city review in July predicted that the center could negatively impact Jackson Park.

Last year, a nonprofit group Protect Our Parks sued to block the center, claiming the violation of city and state law codes, but failed to stop the development. Numerous other objections include gentrification and parking.

glowrock Sep 9, 2019 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by the urban politician (Post 8682074)

My god, this crap's got to end. The Woodlawn neighbors association has simply lost its collective mind, if in fact they ever had one! The Obama Center could finally be a true catalyst for some real development to be had in the Woodlawn area, helping everyone with somewhat increased property values, fewer vacant homes/lots and an all-around gentle cleaning of the area, if you will. It's not going to cause a massive redevelopment boom like what Wicker and Logan have undergone the last decade or two, but it SHOULD certainly bring some fresh faces and new money into the general area! What in the hell is wrong with that? It's not like any new development in Woodlawn is going to feature million dollar condos!

Aaron (Glowrock)

BVictor1 Sep 10, 2019 3:26 AM

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Originally Posted by glowrock (Post 8682329)
My god, this crap's got to end. The Woodlawn neighbors association has simply lost its collective mind, if in fact they ever had one! The Obama Center could finally be a true catalyst for some real development to be had in the Woodlawn area, helping everyone with somewhat increased property values, fewer vacant homes/lots and an all-around gentle cleaning of the area, if you will. It's not going to cause a massive redevelopment boom like what Wicker and Logan have undergone the last decade or two, but it SHOULD certainly bring some fresh faces and new money into the general area! What in the hell is wrong with that? It's not like any new development in Woodlawn is going to feature million dollar condos!

Aaron (Glowrock)


A few single family homes have sold or been on the market for at least $600,000 in the area though.

Halsted & Villagio Sep 10, 2019 1:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BVictor1 (Post 8682590)
A few single family homes have sold or been on the market for at least $600,000 in the area though.

Indeed my friend. My partners and I were a part of one of those sales.

As for the Woodlawn Organization, I would not pay too much attention to them. They are a shell of their former selves now that their founder in facing down the barrel of a long prison stint.

There is always a hot take to be had on the Obama Library... it drives news, rankles some and inspires others... but truly, there is nothing to see here folks.

marothisu Sep 19, 2019 5:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Stockerzzz (Post 8682747)
^ Their main argument is that 42% of current renters make below $20,000 per year and cannot afford their housing costs.

This stat is repeated over and over in the “research” which is driving this discussion. Making below $20,000 per year is less than minimum wage.

These people want a nicer revitalized neighborhood, but don’t want to pay anything extra for it? They’re demanding a property tax freeze because they rent in the area?

This is the epitome of entitlement.

Here's some trends and data:

2010, Households Making Under $25K
Tract 4201 (next to the park): 60.6%
Tract 4202 (directly west of 4201): 49.3%

2010, Households Making $50K+
Tract 4201 (next to the park): 11%
Tract 4202 (directly west of 4201): 27%


2017, Households Making Under $25K
Tract 4201 (next to the park): 58%
Tract 4202 (directly west of 4201): 42.1%

2017, Households Making $50K+
Tract 4201 (next to the park): 23.9% (up from 11%)
Tract 4202 (directly west of 4201): 38.1% (up from 27%)

2010, Households Making $100K+
Tract 4201 (next to the park): 5%
Tract 4202 (directly west of 4201): 11.2%


2017, Households Making $100K+
Tract 4201 (next to the park): 8%
Tract 4202 (directly west of 4201): 11.2% (unchanged)

Donnie77 Oct 28, 2019 7:40 PM

update https://chicago.curbed.com/2019/10/2...um-library-map

Sohcatoah Oct 28, 2019 11:41 PM

Is this building considered Brutalist? The windows and renderings make it seems relatively inviting, but the stone elements of it make me think Brutalism.

gandalf612 Oct 29, 2019 2:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sohcatoah (Post 8731973)
Is this building considered Brutalist? The windows and renderings make it seems relatively inviting, but the stone elements of it make me think Brutalism.

Too many decorative elements to be Brutalist

rlw777 Oct 29, 2019 2:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sohcatoah (Post 8731973)
Is this building considered Brutalist? The windows and renderings make it seems relatively inviting, but the stone elements of it make me think Brutalism.

It's definitely reminiscent of Corbusier with those odd window cutouts but when I think Brutalism I think concrete. The stone is actually what makes me think it's not Brutalist.

Baronvonellis Oct 29, 2019 4:57 PM

Yikes, whatever it is it looks pretty ugly to me! It seem brutalist with a bunch of weird windows and junk on it. Why can't they just make a nice traditional building to match the University architecture? Or something to match the World's Fair like the Museum of Science and Industry nearby? Why does it have to look like some alien dead bug.


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