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Thymant Oct 1, 2013 5:18 AM

I have to say I officially love this tower!

babybackribs2314 Oct 1, 2013 5:47 AM

This is going to be incredible. WOW!

ATLksuGUY Oct 1, 2013 9:55 AM

Very elegant design. Wish this would be there in November during my trip. Beautiful tower and original too. :worship:

NYguy Oct 1, 2013 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downburst (Post 6285517)
SHOP posted a photo of a model for this project on their Instagram. It provides a new and very helpful angle for us.

http://www.shoparc.com/sites/default...0a1f91ab_8.jpg
SHOP



OK, now this together with the Tower Verre...:cheers:

It looks just like the plot diagram indicated, the tower integrated with Steinway Hall, and the main shaft in the center of the lot. I also think the crown
complements the crown on One57.


More looks from JDS Development...
http://jdsdevelopmentgroup.com/portf...t-57th-street/


http://jdsdevelopmentgroup.com/wp-co...5-983x1024.jpg



http://jdsdevelopmentgroup.com/wp-co...4-1024x693.jpg



Resized...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152655079/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152655101/original.jpg

hunser Oct 1, 2013 12:21 PM

WOW, this will looks so classy. 57th is on a roll! :tup:

mistermetAJ Oct 1, 2013 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunser (Post 6285661)
WOW, this will looks so classy. 57th is on a roll! :tup:

I wish they could turn this tower 180 degrees and have the stepped back side facing the park.

NYguy Oct 1, 2013 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistermetAJ (Post 6285669)
I wish they could turn this tower 180 degrees and have the stepped back side facing the park.

I noticed that like One57, the park facing side is different. In this case, it's most likely for the panoramic views.

mistermetAJ Oct 1, 2013 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6285670)
I noticed that like One57, the park facing side is different. In this case, it's most likely for the panoramic views.

True. Itll be a pretty nice view from the back as well, getting better the higher you go.
also, is southern exposure more desirable for terraces?

NYguy Oct 1, 2013 1:14 PM

^ Maybe.


It's closer to officially being a united lot of 111 West 57th Street...
http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/BS...de=ES879363319

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/BS...de=ES386573685




A look at some of the interior landmarking of Steinway Hall...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152656545/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152656546/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152656547/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152656548/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152656549/original.jpg

Busy Bee Oct 1, 2013 1:54 PM

If the middle section of Steinway is not landmarked I don't understand the hesitation to make the tower wider, bringing it in line with the western edge of the Steinway lot. This seems a no brainier to me, it makes possible a wider, less scary thin tower and adds units, which means more $.

NYguy Oct 1, 2013 2:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 6285734)
If the middle section of Steinway is not landmarked I don't understand the hesitation to make the tower wider, bringing it in line with the western edge of the Steinway lot. This seems a no brainier to me, it makes possible a wider, less scary thin tower and adds units, which means more $.

They could make the tower shorter and wider even without Steinway hall, pulling the tower to 57th Street. But the first five floors or so of the building were already landmarked. The interior landmarking is something different. I think final approval for this new "addition" will be upcoming this week.

BTW, that 9 ft model of the tower will be on display beginning this month at the skyscraper museum downtown.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152655101/medium.jpg



http://www.skyscraper.org/EXHIBITION...H/sky_high.htm

SKY HIGH & the logic of luxury
Opens October 9th, 2013 through April 19th, 2014


http://skyscraper.org/EXHIBITIONS/SK...wers%20Web.jpg


Quote:

SKY HIGH examines the recent proliferation of super-slim, ultra-luxury residential towers on the rise in Manhattan. These pencil-thin buildings-all 50 to 90+ stories-constitute a new type of skyscraper in a city where tall, slender structures have a long history.

Sophisticated engineering and advances in material strengths have made these spindles possible, but it is the excited market for premium Manhattan real estate that is driving both heights and prices skyward, Reported sales seem almost inconceivable: some penthouses in the buildings featured here are in contract for $47 million to $95 million.

The rarified geographies of where these projects take shape and the economics of high land costs, high-style design and construction, and stratospheric sales prices are deconstructed. The buildings featured include the super-slender towers of the "57th Street phenomenon"-432 Park Avenue, One57, and the feather-thin 111 West 57th scheme-as well as downtown's 56 Leonard, the Four Seasons at 30 Park Place, and the planned Tower D in Hudson Yards.

The exhibition is organized around a series of themes and featured projects. It begins with a history of slenderness and examines the special engineering issues, wind tunnel testing, and damping devices against sway that must be designed for tall and very thin structures. The "invisible Monopoly game" of assembling contiguous lots and piling up air rights, the options for optimizing floor plans and ceiling heights, and the simulation of views and lifestyles of the future domiciles in showrooms and on websites are other topics.

MrSlippery519 Oct 1, 2013 2:45 PM

I absolutely love this design, hope to see it start to rise sooner than later.

mistermetAJ Oct 1, 2013 3:02 PM

This was posted over at the WNY forum by Derek2k3 by way of SHoP Architects: http://www.shoparc.com/

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5527/1...87b037bc_b.jpg

WNY forum by Derek2k3 by way of SHoP Architects: http://www.shoparc.com/.

It gives a good idea of what the side facade will look like. If you look closely to the straight side (right side of the picture) it looks like the glass will be separated at each individual floor. I like that.

ILNY Oct 1, 2013 3:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downburst (Post 6285517)
SHOP posted a photo of a model for this project on their Instagram. It provides a new and very helpful angle for us.

http://www.shoparc.com/sites/default...0a1f91ab_8.jpg
SHOP

I wonder what will be the height of the highest occupied floor?

UTEPman Oct 1, 2013 3:23 PM

I was worried because I really liked the original 600ft+ design, but this is definitely better. It's going to look amazing with the other supertalls at from Central Park.

Hopefully they add a nice lighting scheme to this to make it shine...

sbarn Oct 1, 2013 3:26 PM

OMG. This just became my favorite project in NY.

miesian Oct 1, 2013 3:40 PM

Delicious

King DenCity Oct 1, 2013 3:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Downburst (Post 6285517)
SHOP posted a photo of a model for this project on their Instagram. It provides a new and very helpful angle for us.

http://www.shoparc.com/sites/default...0a1f91ab_8.jpg
SHOP

What a beauty! :worship: I can't wait 'til it gets built. :slob:



Quote:

Originally Posted by UTEPman (Post 6285834)
I was worried because I really liked the original 600ft+ design, but this is definitely better. It's going to look amazing with the other supertalls at from Central Park.

Hopefully they add a nice lighting scheme to this to make it shine...

I like how it has a very NYC look to it. Big, Grand and Slightly Art Deco. :)

Eidolon Oct 1, 2013 4:39 PM

Best looking building in the world since the early 1930s and a true masterpiece of architecture far as I'm concerned. This tower will be a sight to behold and it could become the 5th main landmark in the city along with the ESB, WTC, Chrysler building and the Statue of Liberty.

:notacrook:

King DenCity Oct 1, 2013 4:46 PM

^Agreed. :yes:

NYguy Oct 1, 2013 5:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistermetAJ (Post 6285806)
This was posted over at the WNY forum by Derek2k3 by way of SHoP Architects: http://www.shoparc.com/

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5527/1...87b037bc_b.jpg

Good, more detail, and it confirms what I was thinking about the windows.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Eidolon (Post 6285947)
Best looking building in the world since the early 1930s and a true masterpiece of architecture far as I'm concerned.

I remember when Michael Stern said it would be iconic, classic New York, and we are not being disappointed here.

NYC2ATX Oct 1, 2013 5:38 PM

Brilliant. Just brilliant. I find that SHoP is proving themselves to be the McKim, Mead & White of 21st-Century New York. Both in the sense that the amount of work they're turning out is reaching prolific levels, and in the fact that their style is unique and uniquely New York. The more the merrier.

Blaze23 Oct 1, 2013 5:55 PM

Stunning indeed! There was a time when Tower Verre was the next greatest skyscraper in NYC by a long shot, but with this one and 56 Leonard, it has some company. TV is still my favorite but the marging is a bit thinner. Kudos to SHOP tho, that's quite a design!

NYguy Oct 1, 2013 5:56 PM

The meeting at LPC was today for the decision about the modifications to Steinway Hall...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152659883/original.jpg

hunser Oct 1, 2013 6:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILNY (Post 6285813)
I wonder what will be the height of the highest occupied floor?

According to DOB permits about 1,200 feet. The fins will then bring the tower to over 1,300 feet.

And I have to agree with the others, what a brillant design / facade.

Onn Oct 1, 2013 7:02 PM

It looks great, it really does. The new images really give the structure a sense of realism. No clue the facade was going to look like that!

JayPro Oct 1, 2013 7:24 PM

Now we need a closeup of the facade at the CP-facing side.

Thefigman Oct 1, 2013 7:51 PM

That facade is impressive!

NYguy Oct 1, 2013 8:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onn (Post 6286164)
It looks great, it really does. The new images really give the structure a sense of realism. No clue the facade was going to look like that!


Well, we did get this bit of info when the design was first revealed:

Quote:

"It's really going to enhance the skyline," says Vishaan Chakrabarti, a partner at SHoP Architects, which designed the tower.
He says the planned tower would be clad with bronze-and-white terra-cotta stripes, so the building "sparkles during the day
and has a soft glow at night."

Still, renderings always give a better clarity.

hunser Oct 1, 2013 8:46 PM

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/1...reet_tower.php

Landmarks Won't Oppose SHoP's West 57th Street Tower


Tuesday, October 1, 2013, by Jeremiah Budin

Quote:

JDS Development Group acquired the Steinway Building, and, more importantly, its 45,000 square feet of air rights, for $46 million back in March. Six months later, they announced that instead of building a super tall, super skinny tower designed by Cetra/Ruddy, they would be building a super-duper-tall, super skinny tower designed by frequent collaborators SHoP Architects. The tower will be 1,350 feet tall, way taller than neighboring Tower of Babel One57 (1,004 feet), but not quite as tall as 432 Park (1,396 feet). JDS also backed a successful effort to make Steinway Hall an interior landmark (and will embark on a meticulous restoration), possibly in an attempt to curry favor with the Landmarks Preservation Commission, to whom they presented the plans for the tower this morning.
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JDS could actual build an as-of-right 1,350-foot tower at the street front without Landmarks Commission approval, but have elected instead to set the building back, deferring somewhat to the landmarked Steinway Building but also necessitating the demolition of a back portion of that building. The proposed tower would also exist partially on the landmark site, giving the LPC the power to review the whole thing.

For the most part, the Commission took no issue with the proposal, although a few had qualms about minor aspects—the height of the glass street wall, for example, or the question of how much of the tower was on the landmark site and how much wasn't—that prevented the building from being approved...yet. However, every commissioner but one expressed the opinion that the building itself was basically worth approval on the merit of its impressive design.

The lone dissenter, commissioner Margery Perlmutter, was confused by the willingness of her fellow commissioners to sign off so readily on the partial demolition of an individual landmark, and criticized the "cynicism" of some of her colleagues, saying, "We're looking at this 'for the good of the city' as if there's no other place to build a tower." Despite Perlmutter's objections, it seems more than likely that the plans, with a few minor tweaks, will be approved next time they are presented to the Landmarks Commission.
Yeah!! :tup::yes:

drumz0rz Oct 1, 2013 8:55 PM

It's going to look weird seeing this reach 1,350ft but only in a thin flat spire form, while 432 Park is occupied building all the way to the top.

meh_cd Oct 1, 2013 9:06 PM

Wow, I love it.

NYguy Oct 1, 2013 10:47 PM

Quote:

However, every commissioner but one expressed the opinion that the building itself was basically worth approval on the merit of its impressive design.

The lone dissenter, commissioner Margery Perlmutter, was confused by the willingness of her fellow commissioners to sign off so readily on the partial demolition of an individual landmark, and criticized the "cynicism" of some of her colleagues, saying, "We're looking at this 'for the good of the city' as if there's no other place to build a tower."


Stupid woman, as if she's going to exchange land with JDS to build the tower. Glad to see enough people had their senses about them.

But I hope they don't change the height of the glass frontange on 57th. It's impressive, and the scale gives a hint of the impressive tower that rises behing it.


http://jdsdevelopmentgroup.com/wp-co...5-983x1024.jpg

Duck From NY Oct 2, 2013 1:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blaze23 (Post 6285535)
I really look forward to spending more time on the Great Lawn.

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Yeah because if you're at Sheep Meadow you'll have to crank your neck back quite a bit for this one.

599GTO Oct 2, 2013 3:20 AM

Beautiful. I even love this more than Tower Verre

NYguy Oct 2, 2013 12:30 PM

This one won the "day of the supertall" yesterday in New York.

mistermetAJ Oct 2, 2013 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6287180)
This one won the "day of the supertall" yesterday in New York.

We would have been better of if Adrian Smith never showed up to compete.

Submariner Oct 2, 2013 1:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistermetAJ (Post 6287184)
We would have been better of if Adrian Smith never showed up to compete.

It could be worse. Gene Kauffman could be behind this tower.

DrNest Oct 2, 2013 1:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 599GTO (Post 6286901)
Beautiful. I even love this more than Tower Verre

Me too. There's something about Tower Verre that just doesn't appeal to me, albeit hard to put exactly into words. However, these latest renderings are stunning, and make me very excited to see this constructed.

I, too, would like to see the slope at the top face towards Central Park, but really that is a minor issue with the design. Overall I love it.

ILNY Oct 2, 2013 1:24 PM

Very nice and classy design, in contrary to Nordstrom tower.

mistermetAJ Oct 2, 2013 1:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Submariner (Post 6287198)
It could be worse. Gene Kauffman could be behind this tower.

True, if there was a 1500 ft Gene Kaufman budget hotel knockoff it would be more dreadful.

That being said, due to the prominence in the skyline of 255 W57th, I find its design more offensive than Kafuman's street killing budget hotels.

Thank you SHoP for salvaging 57th St with your design, as mediocre One 57th and DREADFUL 255 W57th seek to ruin it.

gramsjdg Oct 2, 2013 4:12 PM

Very nice and original design. The only thing better would be if they increased the height enough to surpass 225 W 57th, say, 1450 ft. :yes:

King DenCity Oct 2, 2013 5:12 PM

^YES! they should do that, it is simple and ART DECO-ish. It is definitely the most beautiful NYC tower in decades. #awesome

chris08876 Oct 3, 2013 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King DenCity (Post 6287531)
^YES! they should do that, it is simple and ART DECO-ish. It is definitely the most beautiful NYC tower in decades. #awesome

Looks like a taller somewhat Tower Verre looking clone. Almost like what the height should of been before it was chopped. Well somewhat...... but what I'm wondering is what do those people will think at One57? I wonder if they feel like they should of waited? Seems that tower is just getting it hard from all these new designs and taller behemoths being planned.

hunser Oct 3, 2013 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 6288156)
Looks like a taller somewhat Tower Verre looking clone. Almost like what the height should of been before it was chopped. Well somewhat...... but what I'm wondering is what do those people will think at One57? I wonder if they feel like they should of waited? Seems that tower is just getting it hard from all these new designs and taller behemoths being planned.

It's not that bad. One57 is going to be finished soon, whereas 111W and 217W still have a long way to go. You can live at least 4 or 5 years in One57 before those other towers open. Even 432 PA will be ready in 2015/16.

NYguy Oct 3, 2013 12:45 PM

There won't be that many units here above One57's height. Maybe about five.

tdawg Oct 3, 2013 1:11 PM

crap, i'm blown away. judging by the model alone this might become king of NY scrapers.

McSky Oct 3, 2013 3:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6288624)
There won't be that many units here above One57's height. Maybe about five.

No, the question is how many units 111 W 57th will have above One57's top unit. I'd say that's at least 10.

http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/...7.jpg~original

NYguy Oct 3, 2013 8:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by McSky (Post 6288782)
No, the question is how many units 111 W 57th will have above One57's top unit. I'd say that's at least 10.
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These will be double floor units (duplexes), with some possibly being three floors. Now that I look closer, there may be no more than 5 at most. I'm not sure what the exact configuration is now, but the older plan called for more duplex units. Including the Steinway Building, there will now be a total of 100 units.


Quote:

107 West 57th Street will have no more than one apartment per floor, including 13 full-floor units, 14 duplexes, and a four-story penthouse.

giorgio righi riva Oct 3, 2013 8:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistermetaj (Post 6287243)
true, if there was a 1500 ft gene kaufman budget hotel knockoff it would be more dreadful.

That being said, due to the prominence in the skyline of 255 w57th, i find its design more offensive than kafuman's street killing budget hotels.

Thank you shop for salvaging 57th st with your design, as mediocre one 57th and dreadful 255 w57th seek to ruin it.

one 57 mediocre???? ? Explain please , i think one 57 is a wonderfull mix classic-contemporay tower ,but not mediocre, may be is not a masterpiece but it is good.
Is there other people here that think one 57 is a mediocre building?


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