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casper Nov 14, 2021 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9450871)
AA exits YOW completely. They haven’t flown to YOW since June 2020. AA is also cutting JFK-YUL/YYZ (which haven’t been flown since April 2019). They are also cutting PHX-YVR/YYC.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/americ...14744363C&tw=1

Lets see what happens when Porter starts to get larger aircraft. They are the only "major" Canadian airline left for AA to try to partner with.

Calfan12 Nov 15, 2021 4:32 AM

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Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9450887)
The US airlines are really hacking away at Canada.

I see why AA is the weakest of the lot as they lack a partner here.

Is our market that weak for US airlines? Or is it more an internal problem for them and Canada's just easier to sacrifice?

Yes the Ottawa market is weak for International/US flights ✈️ as it located close to both Toronto & Montreal which has the most of it in Eastern Canada & also similar situation like Edmonton YEG which is located close to Calgary YYC that has the 2nd most International/ US flights in Western Canada after Vancouver YVR.

Though Ottawa similarly to Edmonton is a good market for Low Cost airlines Flair & Swoop✅!!

Dominion301 Nov 15, 2021 5:31 AM

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Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9450887)
The US airlines are really hacking away at Canada.

I see why AA is the weakest of the lot as they lack a partner here.

Is our market that weak for US airlines? Or is it more an internal problem for them and Canada's just easier to sacrifice?

This marks the second time AA's pulled out of Ottawa.

YOW was a legacy US YOW station that they hacked as soon as the US merger was completed by first cutting YOW-CLT and then dropping YOW-PHL down to a mere 2x daily ERJ to the point where same-day PHL-YOW biz trips were no longer possible. It's a convenient way to cut expensive above-the-wing staff for only 2 flights a day. It's kinda rich that they're cutting this 6 months before their planned return saying the "demand has never returned" when the border just opened back up a few days ago and they did zero promotion of the resumption of service. It also shows the continued drawdown of 50 seaters. Overall AA have done nothing but shrink in Canada over the past 20 years, but especially since the merger with US.

With both DL and AA now 'suspended indefinitely' at YOW, the market is ripe for Porter to majorly build up YOW with the arrival of the E95s with DH4 feeder flights, which could include close-in transborder destinations they already serve.

PD announced on Friday a sale-leaseback of the first 19 E95s and in the release it was interesting to see Ottawa listed 1st yet again among the 4 jet bases. I think PD have big plans for YOW: https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...842046738.html

Calfan12 Nov 15, 2021 7:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9450660)
Swoop are coming to Ottawa starting 25APR22 nonstop 3x weekly to YEG. Hopefully there's a press release as it's rather strange the flights were loaded before being announced. The flights will continue same-plane to Abbotsford/YXX. Also hopefully WS aren't downloading YOW-YEG to WO and these flights will complement WS.

Here's the schedule:
WO 511 D YOW 1700, A YEG 1920, D YEG 2015, A YXX 2040 ops days 135
WO 510 D YXX 0715, A YEG 0935, D YEG 1030, A YOW 1610 ops days 135

One-way fares to both YXX and YEG start at $99 taxes in.

I wouldn’t be surprised *if* WestJet flights✈️ Edmonton- Ottawa is downgraded to Swoop (WO) to operate it on those days & it will free up 1 Boeing 737 plane for WestJet to operate at its Calgary, Toronto or Vancouver busiest airports in Canada 2-3x weekly to another destination✅.

Calfan12 Nov 15, 2021 7:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9450866)
I also see Swoop added YEG-YQM too and is currently the only non-stop from anywhere in Western Canada to NB. Mainline WS doesn't even serve YQM from YYC (yet).

Curious if this could be hinting at WS adding YYC-YQM as well.

It is *Possible*,as with Swoop Airlines (WO) starting Edmonton- Ottawa 3x weekly starting April 25 2022.

It definitely free up 1 available WestJet Boeing 737 plane ✈️ to start up Calgary YYC - Moncton YQM for Summer 2022 2-3 weekly or possibly a new US seasonal destination from YYC a few times weekly.

kattiff Nov 15, 2021 9:30 AM

Delta will be operating two A319s YWG MSP come Jan 5th
prob since United pulled out Delta is adding that second airbus changing it fr the cr9

ghYHZ Nov 15, 2021 1:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9450887)
The US airlines are really hacking away at Canada.

I see why AA is the weakest of the lot as they lack a partner here.

Is our market that weak for US airlines? Or is it more an internal problem for them and Canada's just easier to sacrifice?

Just checking aa.com......I see that Philadelphia-Halifax is still loaded for next summer on an A319. I believe this is an up-gauge to mainline.

ghYHZ Nov 15, 2021 1:35 PM

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Originally Posted by thewave46 (Post 9450887)
The US airlines are really hacking away at Canada.

I see why AA is the weakest of the lot as they lack a partner here.

Is our market that weak for US airlines? Or is it more an internal problem for them and Canada's just easier to sacrifice?

I remember AA was once the predominate carrier from YYZ to New York and US Pr-clearance had its beginnings at 'Malton' way back in 1952!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e7d2f37c_z.jpg

Dominion301 Nov 15, 2021 8:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ghYHZ (Post 9451138)
I remember AA was once the predominate carrier from YYZ to New York and US Pr-clearance had its beginnings at 'Malton' way back in 1952!

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e7d2f37c_z.jpg

I'm pretty sure AA started at YYZ in 1941 or even a bit earlier than that.

Dominion301 Nov 15, 2021 8:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Calfan12 (Post 9451090)
It is *Possible*,as with Swoop Airlines (WO) starting Edmonton- Ottawa 3x weekly starting April 25 2022.

It definitely free up 1 available WestJet Boeing 737 plane ✈️ to start up Calgary YYC - Moncton YQM for Summer 2022 2-3 weekly or possibly a new US seasonal destination from YYC a few times weekly.

At this point WS have seasonal YEG-YOW resuming daily on 01MAY22.

ghYHZ Nov 15, 2021 8:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9451615)
I'm pretty sure AA started at YYZ in 1941 or even a bit earlier than that.

1952 was when the first US Customs Pre-Clearance started and it was initiated by AA. Reading the article....only AA passengers could take advantage of it.....not TCA (Air Canada) passengers.

Wpgstvsouth94 Nov 15, 2021 8:42 PM

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Originally Posted by kattiff (Post 9451102)
Delta will be operating two A319s YWG MSP come Jan 5th
prob since United pulled out Delta is adding that second airbus changing it fr the cr9

Wooo great news for Winnipeg! I feel with UA temporarily pulling out it might give AA a chance. :)

Coldrsx Nov 15, 2021 8:45 PM

Swoop and EIA/YEG had a presser today for this.

https://scontent.fyvr1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...52&oe=61982FB2

hollywoodcory Nov 15, 2021 9:20 PM

Looks like WS got some LHR slots for S22. A whopping 8 out of the 42 they’ve requested.

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...=ReportSection

TheGreatestX Nov 15, 2021 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9451699)
Looks like WS got some LHR slots for S22. A whopping 8 out of the 42 they’ve requested.

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...=ReportSection

So they could do 4x YYC-LHR?

thenoflyzone Nov 15, 2021 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9451699)
Looks like WS got some LHR slots for S22. A whopping 8 out of the 42 they’ve requested.

https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrI...=ReportSection

Maybe third time's the charm ! or is this their 4th allocation?

Anyway. Less than daily, so not ideal, but still. At some point, WS will need to bite the bullet and just start flying to LHR.

Dominion301 Nov 16, 2021 4:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ghYHZ (Post 9451629)
1952 was when the first US Customs Pre-Clearance started and it was initiated by AA. Reading the article....only AA passengers could take advantage of it.....not TCA (Air Canada) passengers.

True, but AA was at YYZ before the arrival of pre-clearance.

Dominion301 Nov 16, 2021 4:47 AM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9451847)
Maybe third time's the charm ! or is this their 4th allocation?

Anyway. Less than daily, so not ideal, but still. At some point, WS will need to bite the bullet and just start flying to LHR.

As these permanent slots this time or just the temporary ones they've rejected to date?

If permanent, they'll 100% guaranteed take them, as long as the times are reasonable. Would free up 4 of their LGW slots for other uses. YOW-LGW on a MAX in S22 would seem like a prime opportunity with AC skipping out on YOW-LHR next summer.

Dominion301 Nov 16, 2021 4:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 9451645)
Swoop and EIA/YEG had a presser today for this.

Wow not only YQM to YEG, but YYG too. Who would of ever thought that 15 years ago?

Also confirms that WO will be coming back to YXU.

hollywoodcory Nov 16, 2021 5:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatestX (Post 9451801)
So they could do 4x YYC-LHR?

Yes.

Weirdly, the report still says BA intends to serve LHR-YYC as well? Although I doubt it. The route didn't appear in the S21 report.


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