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SanFranFan Mar 10, 2011 9:52 PM

Bordeaux projects & plans
The city of Bordeaux decide to build another bridge.
Today 3 bridges across the Garonne have problems with cars , rush hours etc .

brige ok , but how boat can come down the river and having access in downtown?

Here's the bridge

started 2009 , end 2012
150 000 000 Euros
7000 tons of steel
the middle part will goes up at 50 meters

Sorry this is in french , but you can ask

langone_peter Aug 16, 2011 11:35 AM

Three steel road bed sections (fixed: 2 x 150m, lifting: 1 x 120m) will be made by Cimolai in Italy, close to Venice, and floated through the Mediterranean and the Atlantic to reach the Garonne river.
Length of mobile, lifting section: 117 m
Navigable channel width: 106 m
Pylon height: 77 m
Height of raised section above water when lifted: 53 m
Weight of liftable section: 2,600 tonnes
Time to raise roadway: 11 minutes
Predicted number of lifts in a year: 60
Protective bases, that enclose the lifting mechanisms: 44m by 18m, 16.5m high, about 5,000 tonnes weight
First stone laid: 9 December 2009, near avenue Lucien Faure
Bases and protective island for pylons: to be towed into position, then sunk: June 2010 for the left bank and January 2011 for the right bank
Pylons to be erected, access roads, lifting mechanism: 2011 to summer 2012
Installation of mobile section: summer 2012
Works to be completed: end of 2012
Designers: Egis-JMI, Lavigne & Cheron Architects, and Hardesty & Hanover
Consultant engineer: Michel Virlogeux
Main constructor: Vinci Construction
Overall cost: 145,8 million euro - City of Bordeaux: 94.27M €, State: 18.29M €, region: 15.24M €, département: 18M €
Annual maintenance budget: 0.5M €

Peter Langone

Swede Aug 27, 2011 7:25 AM

Are there any pictures and maybe a map?

It's almost ten years since the one time I was in Bordeaux (for just 1 day).

spartida Aug 28, 2011 8:40 PM

Swede Sep 7, 2011 5:54 PM

That design... iconic, it is. Good choice!

Ayreonaut Sep 14, 2011 12:32 AM

Wow, that's beautiful.

SanFranFan Oct 23, 2011 3:12 PM

lake of the nations Mar 3, 2012 10:39 PM

Pont Bacalan Bastide - February 2012
Look at these stairways!
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mousquet Mar 4, 2012 8:49 AM


Originally Posted by lake of the nations (Post 5614151)

:sly: uh? Would there be an observation deck up there? cause lazy or tired or simply regular folks won't use the stairs to go up. But they might be fun to go down like in the Eiffel tower.

Rizzo Mar 5, 2012 8:01 AM

Cool design. And I like those spiral stairs behind that glass. Though I imagine those tubes could heat right up from the sun unless that's double glass I see.

spartida Sep 4, 2012 8:10 AM

Some new pics

Alpha Sep 13, 2012 9:31 AM

Nevertheless would an underwater tunnel not be a better choice here, as such a structure does not require any interruption of car traffic and can be passed by ships of any height?

Swede Sep 13, 2012 6:37 PM

Otoh a bridge can be used by pedestrians and cyclists - which is very important in/near the urban core.

mousquet Sep 13, 2012 7:43 PM

There's some large redevelopment underway all around that bridge, on both banks if I'm not mistaking. This lately posted on the French forum caught my attention for example.


Brazza Nord Bordeaux Masterplan / KCAP

[...] The project site is a 67 ha area within Bastide Brazza Nord, a 120 ha former industrial area between the river Garonne and an abandoned railway area. The urban strategy will combine new urban mixed-use functions with re-used abandoned infrastructures and is based on an integrated environmental approach to ground pollution and flood risk. [...]

The program consists of about 600.000 m2 of housing, offices, industrial and public facilities and new public spaces to be implemented on the old industrial riverbank and the abandoned railway area. In the end of 2012 a new bridge – ‘Bacalan Bastide’ – will connect the right and left bank of the Garonne river. This connection will improve the relation of Brazza Nord and the rest of the city. It is considered as a key opportunity for the regeneration of the surrounding communities and will have an important impact on the entire region.

mousquet Oct 17, 2013 9:13 PM

I think this should be turned into a general developments thread...

If everything goes right, the city will be kind of a HSR hub by the beginning of the next decade.
Sketch from the Bordeaux Euratlantique official site, hosted on
autoroutes => highways/freeways

A long-run project called Bordeaux Euratlantique, widely managed by the national government since it's an Opération d'Intérêt National (OIN, national interest project), obviously involving Spain very much too, hence maybe a bit of the European Union as well.

Of course locally, this is bringing some development opportunities to the city. It's now at the heart of their development strategy. Official site of the project:

Besides, and I don't think that's even related, they've been implementing a masterplan covering 370 acres over an area called Bassins à flots. I just counted roughly 30 projects over the area affected for now, mostly some housing. Yet another thing to get lost in. There's plenty of mock-ups and stuff in the Bordeaux subforum of the French urban planning site. I'll bring some later.

Swede Oct 18, 2013 1:06 PM

But are all those HSR lines actual LGVs planned for 2020? are they under construction now? I only knew about the Paris connection.


Originally Posted by mousquet (Post 6306448)
I think this should be turned into a general developments thread...

Not a bad idea! :)

mousquet Oct 20, 2013 12:51 PM

^ There will definitely be some delays. The sections to Toulouse and to Hendaye are on hold. There should be some announcements about that pretty soon, from that socialist government that everybody over here is plainly hating. The line to Toulouse is supposed to be upheld, so is the section to Dax, but further to Hendaye (which is certainly part of the line to Bilbao) might well be badly delayed.

As for the Paris-Bordeaux line, the section between Paris and Tours is yet an actual LGV. So a (pretty long) section between Tours and Bordeaux is currently upgraded.

That's what's up to the French side. They say that in spite of some budget cuts, the work is already on in the Spanish Basque Country.

This from Wiki seems actually up to date.

mousquet Oct 21, 2013 6:19 PM

My grandpas and grandmas came from all over the French-speaking country, including Switzerland to give birth to my mum and dad in Paris. I was born and have always lived here myself. That's enough. The genuine Republic is way larger than that. It will take the entire universe.

I love Bordeaux because to my knowledge, it appears the very first modern city of the whole Western world. Watch this as an observable example.

This thing was built from 1730 to 1775.

This is why our English cousins call us "pompous" when they're short of arguments. They've never been sophisticated enough to build anything like this back then. It's sort of ridiculous indeed, bringing anything from the same era down to retarded barbarity, yet just a majestic entrance from the river bank to the sweet local stone downtown. That's Bordeaux, the Roman/Italian Renaissance projected to a larger and more dense scale. The model that inspired Haussmannian Paris, just a couple of stories taller some 100 years later.

Before that pathetic, self-centered Parisian microcosm that calls themselves an "elite", our philosophers and our novelists dreamt about heaven. And back then, Bordeaux was meant to be worldclass.
I want justice for all the French-speaking cities. Including those of Belgium and Switzerland.

mousquet Oct 23, 2013 4:55 PM

Bringing an overview of the first results of a masterplan called Ginko - or Berge du Lac due to it's location on a bank of the artificial lake they've built there a pretty long while ago, in a northern area of the city - that they're currently implementing. It covers roughly 70 acres of land, mostly residential and developed in the fashion of an "éco-quartier". That means it's entirely built in the contemporary codes of bioclimatic architecture, decidedly energy-efficient, thus supposedly environmentally friendly. Everything built throughout the country has to be bioclimatic nowadays anyway.

The masterplan is to build some 1500+ homes, a third of them being social housing, the rest for sale at market rate. In other words, the neighborhood implements the down ass strategy to not leave the working class stuck in nasty social ghettos, which is fine.

First, a pretty large lot called Canopée.

Looking closer at details, the older picture to the right let me realize that these buildings also show some walls cladded in white bricks.

From the other side of the lot. I think the smaller components in the wooden cladding are some sort of attached single-family homes.

Cool use of wood they made to these buildings. It kind of reminds of ski resorts in the Alps, that's pleasant. Though they were still working on it, the finishes already seemed properly done. Renderings of the interiors.

Well, prices are yet quite interesting in Bordeaux! It still allows you this comfy standard for €245 to 365k. These are prices I saw for some 4/5-room apartments. Mah, that is just unreal seen from Paris. I don't think that'll be forever over there. Got that feeling that the better deals are right now before the whole metro area gets overpriced.

Canopée's the most recognizable lot to me for now. They've yet built more, at least partially.

Below's along a little channel they dug in the neighborhood.

The grey building to the right is social housing. Don't like it, they could've done better.

Below belongs to a lot named after St Exupéry.

There's more of single-family with a darker wooden cladding.

To the other side of the little pedestrian path:

Still over/around St Exupéry.

Lot Elya facing Canopée with a garden in between, I think:

More wooden looking attached single-family.

Still a mess of construction all over the site. A few more views of the overall thing at random.

I think that's just about it for now. There's a lot more, a couple of subsequent phases to come. The resulting area will be served by the tram network. I'll be watching what they build.

All picures above by amart - thanks to him for his frequent updates in the Bordeaux subforum of, that's much appreciated - hosted on

Otherwise, they've hardly got the work started on Bassins à flot that I mentioned earlier. That's yet something else. 5000 homes, a 5 times larger area than that above. It won't be complete before 2025. Now if you ever went to Bordeaux, you might get a little bit further into wines as well as in bad French food, somehow. Bassins à flot located on the left bank of the Garonne river will be served by the new bridge seen at the beginning of this thread and will feature the centre culturel et touristique du vin (cultural and tourist center of wine), a museum to promote the best known trait of the local culture, history and economy. The wine industry.

Designed by X-Tu, a Parisian firm. They've just begun to build this thing last month.

easy as pie Nov 2, 2013 5:23 PM

whenever i visit northern europe (including france), it makes me feel ashamed that i live in the usa and own an american mentality. it's enough to look at these photos and compare them with any planned community in north america to cast into relief how truly barbaric we are as a people. i feel like the american esprit is impossible to grasp without understanding how ugly our cities are and how little we care about the aesthetics of a place. it's appalling, truly appalling.

mousquet Nov 3, 2013 12:49 PM

^ Well, I won't even try to comfort you, I'll just easily admit there's quite a bunch of things, like tons of high-rise landmarks, mansions and stuff from the US that we French would be quite very pleased to steal. :haha: Seriously, the US is far from being ugly. It's plainly obvious. You know, sometimes, grass seems greener on the other side as they say, but in fact to each their own problems. There are some both in France and in the US, it's just not necessarily the same.

The great point about Europe is very well known by forumers here. It's that most people over here don't mind putting their cars aside and relying on mass transit, which of course allows a better use of space for dense urban developments. It seems that more and more in the US are converging to that point, though, maybe from observing European cities whose many are spectacular simply by their densities.

Right now in France, we're facing some bad budget issues, that is delaying our most important public projects. The HSR line linking Bordeaux to Toulouse is estimated at €5.9 bi, won't be operational before at least 2024. The section to Dax would cost €3.9 bi, not before (still at least) 2027. Further to Hendaye is not even mentioned. In other words, don't think about it before the 2030s. My hope is if the national economy finally gets better within the few coming years, better efforts may eventually be consented.

BTW, trains obviously don't mean giving up on cars or on airplanes (Toulouse will remain the center of aeronautics in the country, don't worry about that). It's just better to have everything! :D That's helpful greediness.

mousquet Dec 12, 2013 6:37 PM

A mockup from amart, that's in Bassins à flot.

The renderings of another block in Bassins à flot.

That's how they're expanding the modern neighborhoods covered by master plans, lot by lot, block by block. Like this for example:

That's apparently a good job. Below is the implementation of such blocks in Bassins à flot.

Another one coming to Berge du Lac (Ginko), the master plan I showed a couple of posts above.

mousquet Jan 13, 2014 12:54 PM

Amart's latest update of Bassins à Flots. Looks like he's right about this thing below, it looks like a good idea.

It would originally be some sort of random little warehouse. I can't tell when it's been put there. The lower original facade looks so random that I couldn't say whether it's from the 1930s or 60s. Anyway, they restored it, then added a couple of brand new floors above, which one can easily see. The result is pretty unusual, should give a bit of a peculiar character to that streetwall.

This is another warehouse of the area that they restored, adding a contemporary extension to it, but that one looks much less random, definitely from the 19th century.

There's likely a restaurant among other things in there. I can't remember what they said about it. But they did a good job to the sidewalk as well.

No cheap tar out there, eh?

Below's a student residence. Sober local stone facade to a side of it, seemingly to fit with some older things around, then other parts of the facade gets funky or something.

The rest is yet a complete mess of construction lost in the middle of cranes.
A last thing though, Amart says he doesn't like this cladding.

mm, looks like some corrugated sheet metal painted in shades of blue. Whatever, it should end up drowned within the surrounding density anyway.
Kinda like this, lol.

mousquet Jan 18, 2014 2:16 AM

Example of refreshment in Bordeaux, by amart.

To the upper left of the picture, you can see the 4th/5th story of the building wasn't there originally, because it's not the same very local stone. But it looks like they added it pretty long ago.
Old downtown Bordeaux is such a freaking original gem, you can figure it all out pretty quickly.
Around that spot, definitely recently cleaned up.

Cleaning up of a church older than anything in the entire Americas, except of course for natives...

Minato Ku Jan 18, 2014 12:51 PM

Adding floors on older building was pretty common in the past.
Even today, you can find some construction works of new floors on old buildings.

mousquet Jan 18, 2014 8:57 PM

Sure, I didn't say it was wrong, did I? Au contraire, today they could do a much better job in doing that, like some nice glass above the usual 4 floors of pierre de taille, that could certainly be lovely.

Minato Ku Jan 19, 2014 8:47 AM

My post was purely informative for people reading this thread. :)

mousquet Jan 26, 2014 4:09 PM

150 social housing units in Bassins à flots.

Below would be either in Ginko or in Brazza, says amart.

Looks like they're using a lot of woodwork to the façades of various blocks. That certainly looks nice when it's brand new, the question is whether maintenance will be up to it.

mousquet Jan 26, 2014 7:18 PM

Their new 42,000-seat soccer stadium by Herzog & de Meuron.


It's designed to be easily expanded whenever their team gets better. Currently under construction, I think it'll operate as of the 2015/16 season.

You get some recent pictures of the construction there:

mousquet Mar 20, 2014 7:13 PM

Education facility in Bassins à Flots.

Agence Rudy Ricciotti

There must be everything from nursery to middle school in there. Construction hasn't begun yet, they'd be late on that one. They're going to build it anyway.

félixlechat Apr 6, 2014 3:42 PM

- Link

The building was not built. Forty-storeyed top, the building would have been allocated to offices, restaurant and post office, harmed(served) by fast elevators. So, Bordeaux would have meant its modernity and built the first American-style skyscraper in France.

mousquet Apr 26, 2014 4:01 PM

What's coming next in Ginko.

félixlechat May 4, 2014 1:33 PM

---> :cool: link to the Bordeaux topic :P

Minato Ku May 4, 2014 4:19 PM

Any information about the Promenade Sainte Catherine?
A new mixed use area in the heart of Bordeaux, next to the main shopping street of the city (Rue Sainte Catherine) with a lot of new commercial space.

mousquet May 5, 2014 6:58 PM

^ :???::shrug: Well, amart keeps their related thread up to date on pss-archi. The site is indeed right within the historic district. Although it's significant given that location, it just seems to be some part of the ongoing refurbishment of the historic downtown to me.

Besides, the work right there has definitely been complex. It has consisted in demolishing what I assume to be a couple of mid-20th century buildings (namely a former printing house and a large C&A store) and a few ordinary townhouses around to replace them by new buildings that necessarily fit with the surroundings, probably due to something like UNESCO's strict requirements, huh. It also involves some façadisme (that means preserving only historic façades while actually demolishing entire buildings behind them) to the Sainte-Catherine street.

Below are some of the more or less recent shots of the site from amart, to set the atmosphere.

A new building undergoing finishes in last January.
Like this thing, everything will be cladded in limestone to remain in tone with the surroundings.

More of the same under construction in March.

On the right, a little bit of the façade of a new building in the middle of some 18th century local limestone.

More U/C.

Still in March, demolishing the old C&A store (most of the former print house was gone to make way to what's U/C above yet).

Refurbishing some historic stuff around.

Construction keeps going...

Showing some new paving stone in the surrounding streets.

This old school pavement was there yet.

Lol everything up to the ground is taken seriously in there.

More refurbishment on the right.

Latest pictures dated May 1. Still a mess of demo, some construction and renovation here and there...

Mah of course, unlike amart who's a local, I don't have the accurate configuration of the area on my mind right now, as Bordeaux's downtown is a maze of streets and alleys.

Nothing in Sainte-Catherine will be as affordable as what's been previously showed in this thread anyway. It's upscale and meant for the better off because of the location. And that is actually tiny compared to masterplans to redevelop brownfields outside the historic core. After having slept for way too long, Bordeaux's been ranked one of the fastest growing cities in the country for the last couple of years, if I remember well they reported. And if nimbys and the forever slower national economy don't cause too much harm, we might get some highrises from Euratlantique. That's locally by far the main plan for larger developments.

mousquet May 12, 2014 7:30 PM

Something a little taller apparently proposed for Euratlantique.

Once more, renderings are a bit too many unlikely visual effects, so those don't say anything much to me. They're just still showing that Euratlantique is planning some highrises for real. BTW, it is officially the largest masterplan in entire France. I thought it was Euroméditérranée in Marseille, but with Euratlantique's 386 ha (954 acres) and even a couple of more smaller masterplans over there, Bordeaux has more than what's necessary to be kept busy for the next 20 years...

mousquet Mar 29, 2015 3:24 PM

Renderings of the Sainte-Catherine site (within the old downtown).









Sorry if those are too wide to your screen, but thankfully it seems well executed for real, showing some sleek materials and serious finishes.
These were posted by amart last month to the Bordeaux subforum of pss-archi.

If I remember well, there's still a lot of refurbishments to be done in the old downtown. Hopefully this kinda speeds it up.

Minato Ku Mar 29, 2015 6:37 PM

For those who don't know Bordeaux, Rue Sainte-Catherine is the main shopping street of Bordeaux (like in Montréal).
It is a long pedestrian street, one of the longest in Europe.
Shopping in Bordeaux par ant217, sur Flickr

mousquet Oct 16, 2015 5:33 PM

Downtown, the Sainte-Catherine redevelopment is completed, as shown by amart on pss-archi.

Crowd for the opening:

Pictures from Sud Ouest's report.

Given the location, the contents and the apparent quality of this thing, it's going to be successful...

However, there still are some rundown buildings to refurbish here and there within the historic core. It's been a tremendous work to refurbish it all, and since anything in there must be getting rather pricey now, I guess the old downtown needs to appeal to dwellers who can afford it.

mousquet Dec 13, 2015 3:54 PM

So, red wine tastes better when you open a bottle the day before you drink it. You should leave the liquid in touch with ambient air for a few hours. Then drink it while having a meal, especially with meat dishes and cheese.

This for example is a proper red wine decanter.

That's what the new wine museum is designed like, a trendy decanter of some kind.

More pictures on pss-archi's thread for this thing. Materials seem neat; it should be a significant tourist attraction locally.
Also something marketing to promote local products. :D

mousquet Sep 23, 2018 1:31 PM

By architectronik from the local threads.
Watch the complete mess of construction over large masterplan "Euratlantique" currently implemented.

Lots of textures are growing interesting in the modern/contemporary style that I appreciate the most.

Something slightly taller, like 18 floors and mixed-use

It will look like this.

The upper component is residential, the lower is offices.

This whole stuff is planned to be fairly dense and urban, as showed off by virtual reality.

Video Link

Some latest developent over Bassins à flots by Mascaron, some different area around their contemporary Wine museum.
Excuse the annoyingly giant picture...

Much more to see in their threads. They're like doubling the size of the city. lol
This appears very neat overall, though. It will be worth yet another visit.
Besides, more and more are actually moving over there.

Luis Nunez Apr 19, 2021 1:29 PM

It is very interesting to see in the thread the 2013 images of the development plan of this part of Bordeaux. The city has indeed developed towards this direction, between Chartrons and Bacalan. The Cite du vin is right next to the bridge today and many new office and university buildings were developed. We will see how things evolve. Traffic has continued being a big problem though!

mousquet Apr 19, 2021 9:41 PM


Originally Posted by Luis Nunez (Post 9253519)
Traffic has continued being a big problem though!

I don't know how the city works on a daily basis, but this is likely to be the case.
I do know that locals aware of efficient transit policies sometimes complain about overcrowded trams. That's the problem with these light rail systems. They are cute and all, but capacity is rather limited, so a lot of commuters have to rely on older bus lines or cars on rush hours.

However, local weather is mild and I think cycling is a pleasant and healthy alternative that could be developed way further over the city.
Their current mayor is a controversial leftist Green, like the guy is kind of awkward. But at least, he could develop some awesome cycling tracks over the town if he was true to his Green faith.
I know the city only as an occasional tourist. But I can guaranty cycling this town would be very pleasant.

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