United/Emirates Partnership
Surprised this hasn't been posted here.
https://content.presspage.com/upload...irby.jpg?10000 Emirates and United recently announced a partnership. Basically, United will start operating a flight from EWR-DXB in March 2023 and passengers from both airlines can connect on the other one from their hub(s) starting November 2022. Chicago was one of the three main cities Emirates specifically named as a prime connection spot since it's one of United's largest hubs, so I wonder if this means they'll send the A380 to O'Hare to add capacity to support connections on United once the second A380 gate in the Terminal 5 expansion opens since British Airways is currently using the other A380 gate. Emirates is bringing the A380 to Houston starting December 1st, so I don't think it would be out of the question for it to come to Chicago as well. More info - https://www.emirates.com/media-centr...new-agreement/ |
Terminal 5 Expansion Updates?
Speaking of Terminal 5, Any updates on the completion of the expansion?
It seems like the completion date keeps getting pushed back, and I thought Delta was supposed to move to Terminal 5 in the summer. |
well, it's been nearly a decade since scheduled passenger service ended at Gary/Chicago Airport (GYY), and it looks like the airport is gonna make another try at convincing an airline to give it another go.
the 5 IN counties of chicago's CSA total some 830K people, so it seems to me that Gary might be able to support vacation runs to florida/vegas similar to allegiant's ops out of rockford, but allegiant already pulled out of gary a decade ago, and with their new service at MDW, i can't see them trying again. it'll likely have to be someone else, but who? we'll see what happens. and with the runway extension from 7,000 to 9,000 feet, the airfield can easily handle any kind of domestic passenger jet. Quote:
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I've been tracking FedEx packages lately and they are flying Chicago-bound packages into Indianapolis then trucking it up.
There's gotta be a market for Gary to build cargo facilities. I can't believe they are completely missing the boat on the e-commerce boom when they are so close to Chicago and the Southland. |
^ UPS started flying cargo flights into GYY a couple years ago, but they have big ops at RFD that will probably keep it from growing too big.
IND is of course a huge fedex hub and probably why they're trucking stuff up I-65 instead of setting up a satellite station at GYY. but yeah, i'm with you, if GYY really wants to build itself up into more of an economic engine for the region, i'd think chasing the cargo market would bear a lot more fruit than trying the passenger route again. |
ORD the world's most connected airport again.
https://airwaysmag.com/chicagos-ohar...CLdxKs8IOu3E9E ORD is the most internationally connected airport in the world with 66 destinations, ahead of DFW. It is also the #1 most connected airport within the U.S., ahead of ATL. |
https://www.thrillist.com/news/new-y...om-jfk-airport
Anyone smarter than me want to explain to me what's going on with United & JFK? They just don't have enough gates to be in operation there? |
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They were only able to re-start JFK service last year because some international carriers leased their slots temporarily to United. They now want their slots back and United was unable to find other airlines willing to sell/lease theirs or convince the FAA to grant United additional slots. United technically has a large number of slots at JFK (I think the 3rd most after JetBlue and Delta) but they leased them to American years and years ago when they left JFK originally and it was a long-term agreement. Quote:
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Did I just see an add for a direct non-stop flight to Saudi Arabia as I was driving by the CTA LoopLink station? I had to do a doubletake, but it has been proposed. . . interesting. . .
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That would be interesting. I wonder if that would be a subsidized effort for the KSA in their "tourism" efforts or to more appeal to Chicago's Muslim pilgrimages, or both. I think the Saudis also do (or did) have the 2nd or 3rd most students in the US so that would pick up some of that traffic as well. |
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Another rather unique destination for Chicago is Amman, which Royal Jordanian has flown nonstop for many years now. |
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Looks like Delta is making their moves next week to T5....
https://simpleflying.com/delta-air-l...hicago-o-hare/ This article seems to indicate the opening of the T5 expansion isn't going to happen all at once, but in phases. Also sounds like new gates are already being used..... |
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Also I'm just getting a huge itch to take another international workcation trip..... |
Same press release, but with a couple other nuggets of information.
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United Airlines to add nonstop flights to Shannon, Ireland and Barcelona, Spain
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ORD to LGA (weekday): american: 15x daily united: 12x daily delta: 8x daily MDW to LGA (weekday): southwest: 6x daily ORD to EWR (weekday): united: 11x daily american: 6x daily ORD to JFK (weekday): delta: 4x daily jet blue: 3x daily american: 2x daily |
I am so booking my next flight out of T5 on Delta now!
What a beautiful looking lounge..... It looks like this, and the gates they are using are part of the new construction that was built on the front part of the existing T5, no? I was actually thinking of hopping over to Europe for a month of remote work next month, so this is a good excuse to book tickets lol. |
According to an article in Crain's, you can access two gates directly from the lounge. One mainly for the 12 flights to NY and another for Delta's international partners. Really fabulous perk. I imagine the United and American will do something similar in the new Terminal 2
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Terminal 5 looks nice, though it's a little inconvenient to be completely separate from the CTA station. Having to take the ATS adds extra time if arriving or leaving via the blue line, vs simply just walking down to the tunnel from the baggage claims for terminals 1, 2, & 3 (granted it's probably not an excessive amount of extra time).
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Great article over at YIMBY showing off the new wing of T5
https://chicagoyimby.com/2022/10/a-l...l-airport.html Aside from the parking garage, new amenities in the extension, maybe some baggage handling work - The T5 is mostly done at this point. I would assume there might be some shuffling still of routes over to the new gates, and wrapping up tail-end work with T5 before shovels hit the ground on the sats. Unless there's other headwinds preventing work on the next phase happening sooner than later? |
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From HoK's website - it looks like some of the finishes will be added over the coming months hopefully. That center thing should be a video screen as well. Hopefully all the wood and stuff gets added like in the renderings. Things will feel a bit nicer when they do. https://www.hok.com/projects/view/ch...l-5-expansion/ https://www.hok.com/wp-content/uploa...900x1270-1.jpg https://www.hok.com/news/2019-03/hok...ional-airport/ You can see the unfinished space for the vendor spots below in the Yimby article. https://www.hok.com/wp-content/uploa...ior-2-1900.jpg https://www.hok.com/wp-content/uploa...ior-1-1900.jpg |
Hmm... I don't know if those wood accents are coming. The renderings on the HOK website seem to be the latest ones; the other ones you posted don't really match what was built. In the HOK renderings I don't see any wood, just lots of assorted furniture out of a catalog. The wait times on contract furniture these days are insane so it looks like they are using temporary furniture to get the terminal open.
I like the design though. Reminds me of other high-profile new terminals like T1 at SFO or the new terminals at LGA. |
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Edit: Actually it is as someone posted pics above. Thanks! https://www.aviacionline.com/2022/10...to-terminal-5/ |
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Those wooden sitting areas would be a nice touch - hopefully they are added whatever they are. It's hard to tell from the latest renderings on HoK as the angles aren't quite the same. But I could see them getting axed as the first link I posted were renderings pre-covid from 2019. They're probably non covid kosher or something. |
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Air New Zealand flights should be back at ORD again in a week finally. Last flights in February 2020, other than a few cargo flights during Covid.
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Why can't the old terminal 5 be renamed to T4 while the new expansion can be T5.
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The Terminal 5 expansion looks good, albeit a little bare. I'm sure though that it'll look a lot better once they get the new businesses open and maybe decorate it a little more. Have they added the new permanent jetways that connect directly to the expanded part, and if so, do some of the gates have dual jet bridges for widebodies like originally in the renderings? I'd imagine that at minimum, Gate M29/M30 has two jet bridges since it's A380 capable like Gate M17 is.
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Yesterday I had the opportunity to use the below level hallway coming into the new T5 towards the customs area as I was coming home from London. I would have to say, I almost feel that while it smelled like new, the actual user experience is definitely worse than it was before, at least for now.
It was a much longer walk, definitely over 10 minutes through a very bland hallway underground. Very sparse moving walkways (one wasn't working), but the most bizarre part that from very early on, they had soft divided the walkway on Global entry left and everyone else to the right with the divided belts in between, so for almost the entire 10 minute walk they prevented people on the left from using the moving walkways, only to have the lines joined at the end right before the escalator into the customs area, so the entire divide was worthless, and the no less than 4 agents asking sporadically "global entry to the left" were essentially there for nothing. I understand that this is just a soft opening and that the whole terminal won't be ready until 2024, but after being at Heathrow and seeing how great their airport is and how much they care about people flow even though some of the walks are even longer than 15 minutes, it was a slight disappointment. Also very jealous of London's Heathrow express line and the brand new Elizabeth line and would love to see trains and stations like that in Chicago, one can dream Some photos I took below https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/eo...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/B3...-no?authuser=0 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5I...-no?authuser=0 |
T5 lounges and the 2nd A380 gate
When the T5 renovation kicked off, one area of need cited was the lack of space for airline lounges. Delta’s new lounge seems like a nice addition, but I’m surprised there has been no other mention of any other new lounges.
- Are any new ones planned (Emirates, Qatar, or Etihad)? - Will the Delta lounge also act as a SkyTeam lounge, and will the Air France lounge now close? - Will Swiss or SAS expand theirs? The Swiss lounge is a shoebox. I know they’ll eventually move to T2, but that’ll be in 5+ years. - There was a plan to add a 2nd A380 gate with the T5 expansion, did this happen? Would that coincide with Emirates ever bringing the A380 here? With their partnership with United I’d think they’d have more demand at ORD now. |
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FYI your photos are not loading for me. Though I believe I went through here a couple weeks ago. The 'agents telling people go to the left' every 50 feet gave it away. Yes, it was a ridiculously long walk. I was questioning if this was part of the new expansion or if this was going to be improved with the new expansion. I concluded this has to be a part that will be improved/replaced in the overall plan because it felt so ridiculously inconvenient and inefficient. Not sure what the future for this is. https://i.imgur.com/wvA2xGR.jpg |
I flew in from Frankfurt on Sunday and don't remember a long walk, though I was pretty out of it. (Most of what I remember is a surprisingly short passport control line that only took 2 minutes, but then having to wait a long time for my bag...).
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As far as Emirates goes, Chicago was specifically mentioned as a key city for the partnership and given that United has one of their biggest hubs here, the possibilities for connections are definitely abundant. I did hear that Emirates recently announced that they were bringing back the A380 to Houston (which was another key city specifically mentioned for the partnership) and given that Emirates does carry more passengers out of ORD than IAH, I'd imagine that they are considering bringing the A380 to ORD but are waiting to see how the second A380 gate is coming along since British Airways has been using the other A380 gate. This is all speculation though so I could be wrong. |
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So I’m at T5 right now waiting in security… and what a shit show. This is the second time this year where the security lines are severely choked and atrociously slow. If T5 is going to keep moving flights into this terminal, they need to address this ASAP as the problem is only going to get worse. It’s embarrassing.
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Point is…. If you fly out of T5, give yourself a ton of time to be safe. I was in security for 45 minutes. |
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