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Busy Bee Aug 8, 2013 2:13 PM

What do you think the chances are that the developer is also trying to acquire the two adjacent walk ups at 117-115? That would be absolutely ideal, as those need to go and would allow a wider building. In this situation I see Steinway hall essentially facadectomised and enveloped into the center of this tower. In this situation I believe a neo- traditional design would be ideal. I think it has the potential to be someone like RAM Stern's magnum opus.

NYguy Aug 8, 2013 2:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 6225199)
In this situation I see Steinway hall essentially facadectomised and enveloped into the center of this tower. In this situation I believe a neo- traditional design would be ideal. I think it has the potential to be someone like RAM Stern's magnum opus.

From the plans, it looks like the landmarked portion of Steinway Hall will be some type of retail, with the tower rising above. There will only be 100 units available. I hope there is some sort of crown here.

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JB...allbin=1023728

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/149580449/original.jpg

babybackribs2314 Aug 8, 2013 2:56 PM

Mechanical from 72-74 would probably indicate some type of crown, IMO.

uaarkson Aug 8, 2013 3:01 PM

I hope Amanda Burden really feels like the complete idiot she is, now.

chris08876 Aug 8, 2013 3:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hunser (Post 6225167)
Seing Torre Verre being built at only 1050 feet still makes me angry. :hell:
Verre will be barely visible amongst those future giants. :(

Which is the true irony because Verre is the best looking out of anything going up now.

JayPro Aug 8, 2013 4:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hunser (Post 6225167)
Seing Torre Verre being built at only 1050 feet still makes me angry. :hell:
Verre will be barely visible amongst those future giants. :(

She'll be taller, though not by much, than One 57 (45' maybe?). Plus it's somewhat closer to Rockefeller Center; so I'm not sure if TV will necessarily get lost.

BTW Thanks once again to NYGuy for keeping me reassured in the midst of what I was starting to think was Greenspan's irrational exuberance meme rearing its head again. :cheers:

NYguy Aug 8, 2013 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JayPro (Post 6225326)
BTW Thanks once again to NYGuy for keeping me reassured in the midst of what I was starting to think was Greenspan's irrational exuberance meme rearing its head again. :cheers:


This was their thinking before the project expanded:

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“Remember,” he added, “these buildings are big, but so are the apartments, so there really aren’t that many of them.” One57 has 135 units (plus a Hyatt hotel on the bottom half) and 432 Park has 128, while 107 West 57th Street has all of 27 units planned, each one taking up at least an entire floor and more than half will be duplexes.

Meanwhile, demand is skyrocketing like these towers. Just as these new buildings are in a different class, so are the buyers. “Before, this was a small investment, little more than a hotel room,” Mr. Greenblatt explained. “Now, these are real homes, big homes, with the nicest finishes. These are the type of buyers who own homes all over the world, so that’s what they want.”

Mr. Greenblatt actually believes that there has been pent-up demand for these kinds of apartments for years that is only being worked out now, and that it should last for years, as global wealth continues to concentrate in the hands of the few and find its way into New York and other world capitals.


One day we won't be able to walk down 57th Street without looking up...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/151732916/original.jpg
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/busi...ng-370403.html

chris08876 Aug 9, 2013 2:30 AM

The record is only going to get higher for the most expensive apartment/condo sold ever. Being higher than One57, and second to 432 Park Ave. with less units, they will probably use that to put a very high price on the penthouse or really the units themselves.

Perklol Aug 9, 2013 3:22 AM

Err.. those 2 tenement buildings right next to Steinway hall need to go.

Roadcruiser1 Aug 9, 2013 6:23 AM

I love how tall this building is going to be but I don't think SHOP Architects is a great choice to design such a building. They are a great architect firm in my opinion but they only design Modern buildings. This building should be designed by Stern Architects because they have experience in building Art Deco like buildings..........

MarshallKnight Aug 9, 2013 3:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 6226410)
I love how tall this building is going to be but I don't think SHOP Architects is a great choice to design such a building.

SHOP is the architect of record but that doesn't mean that they'll necessarily be designing it.

NYguy Aug 9, 2013 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1 (Post 6226410)
I love how tall this building is going to be but I don't think SHOP Architects is a great choice to design such a building. They are a great architect firm in my opinion but they only design Modern buildings.

I thought it was an odd choice, given what Stern had said. But just because we haven't seen them do a "classic" skyscraper doesn't mean they can't. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what we get, but I think we'll likely get a really nice tower here.

DCReid Aug 9, 2013 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Eveningsong (Post 6226273)
Err.. those 2 tenement buildings right next to Steinway hall need to go.

Those tenement buildings can stay right where they are, and perhaps be renovated. Let's not go knocking down everything in the city in favor of what's new and modern . I guess you do not recall anything about the 1960s...Manhattan lost a lot of gems then -- like 'old' Penn Station for the 'new and modern' Penn station and Madison Square Garden!

franktko Aug 9, 2013 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DCReid (Post 6227379)
Those tenement buildings can stay right where they are, and perhaps be renovated. Let's not go knocking down everything in the city in favor of what's new and modern . I guess you do not recall anything about the 1960s...Manhattan lost a lot of gems then -- like 'old' Penn Station for the 'new and modern' Penn station and Madison Square Garden!

I think we can safely classify those two buildings as NOT gems!! :P

Perklol Aug 10, 2013 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DCReid (Post 6227379)
Those tenement buildings can stay right where they are, and perhaps be renovated. Let's not go knocking down everything in the city in favor of what's new and modern . I guess you do not recall anything about the 1960s...Manhattan lost a lot of gems then -- like 'old' Penn Station for the 'new and modern' Penn station and Madison Square Garden!

I am so sorry but ... what's so special about these tenement buildings? Is it the color or what? Just go to the west side and you'll run into them in every block. The only difference is that it will be less colorful.

MarshallKnight Aug 10, 2013 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6227343)
But just because we haven't seen them do a "classic" skyscraper doesn't mean they can't.

They're capable of it. Just look at their vision proposal for Penn Station and the surrounding district, they included a tower that had very classical lines (albeit with a modern twist, a la Ping An):

http://www.designboom.com/wp-content...ignboom-01.jpg
http://www.designboom.com/wp-content...ignboom-07.jpg

NYguy Aug 10, 2013 2:08 PM

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Originally Posted by franktko (Post 6227409)
I think we can safely classify those two buildings as NOT gems!! :P

They are no gems, but I don't find them horrible either. I think they add a sense of scale and character to the block. Some google earth views...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/151750761/original.jpg



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But who knows what will happen the way things are going.



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Originally Posted by MarshallKnight (Post 6227484)
They're capable of it. Just look at their vision proposal for Penn Station and the surrounding district, they included a tower that had very classical lines (albeit with a modern twist, a la Ping An):

The so called "Gotham Tower", though it wouldn't fit very well here. Whatever the design, it will be a lot different than the other proposal they had just down the street...


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NYguy Aug 12, 2013 2:32 AM

Besides the overall design of the tower, it will be interesting to see how the base of Steinway Hall is integrated into this new tower.

Some overhead from google earth showing proximity to One57...


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/151779342/original.jpg



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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/151779344/original.jpg



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NYguy Aug 13, 2013 1:33 AM

http://www.citylandnyc.org/opulent-p...rk/#more-19787

Opulent Piano Retail Space Considered as a Potential Interior Landmark
Owner’s representative expressed support for designation; testified that landmark would be preserved in context of planned larger development.



http://www.citylandnyc.org/wp-conten...teinway-SM.jpg


07/31/2013


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On July 23, 2013, the Landmarks Preservation Commission held a hearing on the potential designation of the reception room and adjoining rooms and hallways of the Steinway & Sons retail space at 109 West 57th Street in Manhattan. The neo-Renaissance interior was completed in 1928 to designs by the firm of Warren & Wetmore. Warren & Wetmore was the architecture firm behind several other City landmarks, including the interior of Grand Central Terminal.

The primary interior space is an octagonal double-height rotunda, in which customers were met by sales representatives before entering the showrooms. The room features a crystal chandelier and allegorical paintings, by Swiss-Austrian painter Angelica Kauffman, adorn the domed ceiling. The room is visible from the street through large display windows. A foyer on the 57th Street entrance possesses white marble arches on Ionic columns on its four walls. Though some rooms are separated by glass or glazed infill, the interior reads as one continuous space.

Michael Stern, Managing Partner of JDS Development Group, testified that the ownership enthusiastically supported designation. JDS purchased the property in 2013, and intends to build a tower at the site. Stern said that JDS “look forward to integrating the rotunda into a larger development.”

The Historic Districts Council’s Nadezhda Williams, speaking in support of designation, said that “seeing an elegant Steinway piano in such sumptuous surroundings is rather like seeing an animal in their natural habitat.” Christabel Gough, of the Society for the Architecture of the City, said the “iconic New York institution” served to “express the grandeur and importance of the concert piano” in the City’s culture.

Chair Robert B. Tierney closed the hearing after thanking JDS for their “cooperation and participation.” A date for a vote on designation has not yet been scheduled.

NYguy Aug 26, 2013 3:45 PM

The inclusion of Steinway Hall greatly increases the footprint of this tower...

(Steinway Hall)

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152028255/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152028256/original.jpg

JACKinBeantown Aug 26, 2013 8:38 PM

So now it's essentially a 100' x 201' lot?

scalziand Aug 26, 2013 9:03 PM

That's the size of the zoning lot, yes.

easy as pie Aug 26, 2013 9:15 PM

in a fantasy world, the steinway building would remain exactly as is.

NYguy Aug 27, 2013 4:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JACKinBeantown (Post 6245137)
So now it's essentially a 100' x 201' lot?

It can now be classified as a through lot.

King DenCity Aug 27, 2013 3:42 PM

^This is gonna be one LEAN tower!
The best skyline in the world is about to get better!

NYguy Sep 5, 2013 10:45 PM

Filings begin for demo inside Steinway Hall...

http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/Jo...ssdocnumber=01

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FILING FOR APPROVAL OF INTERIOR DEMOLITION. NO CHANGE IN USE, EGRESS OR OCCUPANCY.

Onn Sep 9, 2013 2:51 AM

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/i...0908184149.jpg
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...DLETopStories#

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New Era for Skyscrapers

Elliot Brown
Wall Street Journal
September 08, 2013

The managing partner of JDS Development Group and his partners at Property Markets Group are planning a skinny, ultra-luxury condo tower on West 57th Street, which will be about 100 feet taller than the Empire State Building. The venture's plans for the tower submitted last month to the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission call for an approximately 1,350-foot skyscraper that sets back from the street numerous times as it reaches higher—resembling tall, thin steps.

"It's really going to enhance the skyline," says Vishaan Chakrabarti, a partner at SHoP Architects, which designed the tower. He says the planned tower would be clad with bronze-and-white terra-cotta stripes, so the building "sparkles during the day and has a soft glow at night."

It remains unclear whether the venture has obtained financing, a crucial element for any development, especially at a time that many banks are still reluctant to make loans for condo projects. A spokesman for JDS declined to comment on the financing, but said the developer hopes to break ground early next year.

...

In addition to its height, the building is notable for being so thin. Its lot is just 43-feet wide, according to city records, and many of the floors would be 4,000 to 5,000 square feet in size, Mr. Chakrabarti says.

The building is slated to include many full-floor apartments with views all around. "There will be moments in these apartments where you can see Midtown to the south and Central Park to the north," he says.

If built, the tower would be by far the most notable development by Mr. Stern, 34 years old, a relative newcomer to New York City real estate. He's best known for converting the Walker Tower in Chelsea to condos, along with Property Markets Group. Mr. Stern has since made multiple other acquisitions, and he's planning a pair of flashy apartment towers on Manhattan's East Side.

Mr. Stern and Property Markets Group are planning to convert the Steinway Building into an apartment building and transfer its development rights. The new tower must get approval from the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission because it's next door to the Steinway building site, which is a city landmark.

Last week, the landmarks committee of the neighborhood community board voted to give a nonbinding endorsement of the plan. The full community board is set to take up the issue this week.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...092833082.html

Zapatan Sep 9, 2013 3:36 AM

Insane... 43 feet thin and 1350 feet high.

:koko:

tyleraf Sep 9, 2013 3:49 AM

WOW! New York is on fire. These towers keep getting taller!

JayPro Sep 9, 2013 4:08 AM

We need to see as many renders from as many perspectives, angles and distances as the firm of record can pump out. And they need to be crystal clear.

I mean my God in Heaven......just when you think....Nah, don't think. Thank the Landmarks Commission for their nonbinding okay, which should be formalized in the committee of the whole by the end of the week.....and let the details of this in-fucking-credible monument to skyscraper engineering technology unfurl.

Perklol Sep 9, 2013 4:47 AM

It looks amazing so far.

A++

chris08876 Sep 9, 2013 7:37 AM

Its like 432 Park Ave went on a diet. This is incredible and a testament to engineering. Bravo!!!! :cheers:

nyc_alex Sep 9, 2013 1:35 PM

This is amazing news! Both the height and design have exceeded my expectations. Makes up for what looks like a potential disappointment to the west at 225 W 57th.

Onn Sep 9, 2013 1:52 PM

A bigger picture has arrived! :D

http://ny.curbed.com/uploads/JDSrender.jpg

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Sara Polsky
Curbed New York
September 9th, 2013

A bit of fancy air rights action added extra feet to 107 West 57th Street, a proposed tower from JDS Development Group and Property Markets Group. The change in size led to some other alterations. Instead of the super-skinny, Cetra/Ruddy-designed building originally planned for the spot, the developers are now hoping to build a tower designed by SHoP, the same architects behind two JDS Development buildings in First Avenue's mud pit (as well as many other projects. The Journal revealed the rendering, also shown above. The building will have a number of setbacks to its 1,350-foot height, with a bronze and terra cotta facade that "sparkles during the day and has a soft glow at night," in the words of SHoP's Vishaan Chakrabarti. The building's lot is 43 feet wide, which is unusually narrow for a project of this scale.
http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/0...r_unveiled.php

StoOgE Sep 9, 2013 3:04 PM

Wow.

Just.. Wow.

reencharles Sep 9, 2013 3:11 PM

WOOOOOWWW.... 1350 FT / 411 meters? Insane! The design looks good. It will be interesting to see it from other angles.

Onn Sep 9, 2013 3:45 PM

1.) Someone needs to create a diagram of this to put on the NYC diagram. 2.) A mod needs to change the height for the tower in the thread. 3.) The picture of the building at the top also needs a refresh.

Submariner Sep 9, 2013 3:51 PM

I'd worry that because it's so tall and thin, the building would be susceptible to significant sway from wind.

Busy Bee Sep 9, 2013 4:11 PM

I know everyone seems to have goo goo eyes for this, it just doesn't work for me. These smoke stack towers along with 432 Park just seem TOO thin - so much so they no longer exude a proportional elegance.

I would be blown away by this tower if it straddled Steinway Hall and incorporated its facade in its base and gave us a tower in the range of 100-120 feet wide. I just don't think these pencil towers will make the skyline "more beautiful." More awkward maybe.

antinimby Sep 9, 2013 5:56 PM

I think we have to keep an open mind on what tall buildings should look like in the 21st century.

We've all grown up on seeing what a typical tower should be. Maybe tall pencil thin towers are what the future will be. Remember, the human population is growing but the land area is not. Eventually, we will have to build up everywhere.

Most people don't pay attention to buildings in the city, but this tower will definitely grab people's attention. It might even be an attraction all in itself.

NYguy Sep 9, 2013 6:16 PM

^ It will definitely do that.

As if we didn't know already, thin is in.


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The venture's plans for the tower submitted last month to the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission call for an approximately
1,350-foot skyscraper that sets back from the street numerous times as it reaches higher—resembling tall, thin steps.

"It's really going to enhance the skyline," says Vishaan Chakrabarti, a partner at SHoP Architects, which designed the tower.
He says the planned tower would be clad with bronze-and-white terra-cotta stripes, so the building "sparkles during the day
and has a soft glow at night."

This will complement One57 very nicely.



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/152262795/original.jpg

Perklol Sep 9, 2013 6:25 PM

"The new tower must get approval from the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission..."

Could this be shortened or blocked??:uhh:

NYguy Sep 9, 2013 6:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Eveningsong (Post 6260252)
"The new tower must get approval from the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission..."

Could this be shortened or blocked??:uhh:

No.


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Mr. Stern and Property Markets Group are planning to convert the Steinway Building into an apartment building and transfer its development rights. The new tower must get approval from the city's Landmarks Preservation Commission because it's next door to the Steinway building site, which is a city landmark.

Last week, the landmarks committee of the neighborhood community board voted to give a nonbinding endorsement of the plan. The full community board is set to take up the issue this week.

Even the CB supports this.

scalziand Sep 9, 2013 6:31 PM

Here's what the terracotta mullions on the east and west sides could look like. These are from the Guangzhou Chow Tai Fook Center.

http://www.kpf.com/projects/Project258/16059_hr.jpg
http://www.kpf.com/project.asp?ID=258

NYguy Sep 9, 2013 6:51 PM

I suspect that rendering isn't the best view, due to the width of the lot (like the Tower Verre). I'm looking forward to more reveals.

JayPro Sep 9, 2013 7:24 PM

As I said before, we need--for starters at least--an east/west view.
I'm not calling make-or-break or anything.
It's just to give us a better idea of the setback dimensions and the presumptive glass crown.

There're just so many details that need a closer look simply by virtue of this gem's slenderness. I scarcely know where to begin.

Roadcruiser1 Sep 9, 2013 7:55 PM

So far I don't really like the design. I don't really like the crown. It looks like a giant sheer glass wall. Plus the back side doesn't look like it has steps. This gives the building such an odd shape. The steps in the front doesn't really help since they are so uneven. I rather see this taken back to the drawing board. It could be better. I thought I could expect more from SHOP. However I do like the thin shape of the building and I think it's pretty cool that even though it's that thin it's literally the height of Two World Trade Center!!!!!!!!!!

NYguy Sep 9, 2013 8:14 PM

I wish a spire could have been worked into the crown, but its fine enough without it. The increasing (it appears) setbacks recall a couple of skyscrapers to me...though this is a very different tower.


thewamphyri
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6198/6...5bfe2f89_z.jpg


http://www.kmca.com/Architecture%20G.../default8.html
http://www.kmca.com/Architecture%20G...os/IMG0035.jpg

JayPro Sep 9, 2013 8:37 PM

I'm hoping that with the first release of the E/W view that the glass crown reveals a flame-tipped sort of shape.

Blaze23 Sep 9, 2013 10:41 PM

There's not much to see to make a judgement on the building so i'll hold off on that, but I love those thin and tall towers popping up all over the city. For anybody familiar with French architect Le Courboisier, on his first visit to NYC, he said as much as he enjoyed the city's skyscrapers, he would've preferred if there were less but they were taller. I always thought that's how I envision the city in the future with taller towers taking less space at street level, making the city more enjoyable to walk around and gaze at the giant structures. Now these towers are built that way more because of their small footprints than for the sake of urban architecture but their impact on the skyline would be nonetheless the same. I can't wait a few years from now when there will be a few thin and pointy towers standing above the density of the New York skyline. Welcome to the future NYC!


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