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NYguy Dec 29, 2017 4:15 AM

Before too long, Central Park Tower will be the dominating tower over the park...


Anthony Huan

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Brody Natario Dec 29, 2017 9:55 AM

Out of all of these alleged sunlight blockers being built around Central Park...including 432& 157, in your own opinion, which will elicit the most favorable responses from both NYC residents and the millions of Architecturally minded tourists who visit every year?
For me, as a NYC and High Line resident, 157 is the most aesthetically pleasing and it has brought much favorable attention to the area. I believe even after the newest round of supertalls are complete, 157 will still be viewed as the first and most authentic addition of the next generation of high rise. residential buildings.
As much as I love 432 for it's modern simplicity, the 'extras' on 157 place it far above all others, both finished and unfinished. Also the fact that it contains a high end luxury hotel gives tourists an opportunity to feel as though they have had a personal experience with the building.

As a first time contributor, I just wanted to thank all of the dedicated forum readers who take time out of their busy NYC lives to post the pictures we all check in on a daily basis to 'study'. Without their input, the forum would not be what it is....the absolute best architecture website and forum in the world.

mrnyc Dec 29, 2017 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by pianowizard (Post 8029836)
Ground level is labeled +0.00', indicating that the plus sign merely means positive. I would be excited if +1550 were 1550+, which would mean "at least 1550 ft".

its true all the height markers have the ‘+,’ although i would say to distinguish it from the elevation markers co-listed just below.

aww well, we can dream for more.

NYguy Jan 2, 2018 2:13 AM

https://therealdeal.com/2018/01/01/b...al-park-tower/

Barnett closes on $1B+ financing for Central Park Tower
Tower, now fully funded, set to be NYC's most expensive condo project


By Chava Gourarie
January 01, 2018


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Gary Barnett celebrated the New Year the only way he knows how.

The Extell Development boss closed on $1.14 billion in financing for Central Park Tower, and now has all the money in place for what is set to be Manhattan’s most expensive condo tower, according to documents the developer filed with the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange Sunday.

The announcement brings to an end one of the most closely-watched odysseys in New York real estate this cycle. Many had bet against Barnett being able to lock in the funds for such an ambitious project in the midst of slower sales and overall uncertainty at the top of the market.


gramsjdg Jan 2, 2018 5:32 PM

Great news! Now Barnett is free to add the spire back into the design...:runaway:

NYguy Jan 2, 2018 9:14 PM

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300576557.html


http://markets.businessinsider.com/n...rld-1012413694

Extell Development Company Closes On A $1.135 Billion Financing Package For Central Park Tower The Tallest Residential Building In The World

PRESS RELEASE
Jan. 2, 2018


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Nationally acclaimed real estate development firm Extell Development Company announced today that the company closed on its largest construction loan to date for Central Park Tower on December 29, 2017. Central Park Tower, a 1,550-foot-tall architectural landmark located on Manhattan's Billionaires' Row, will be the tallest residential building in the world. The financing package was comprised of a $900 million senior construction loan syndication led by J.P. Morgan and a $235 million preferred equity loan from a hedge fund.

"Extell has an exceptionally strong reputation with the lending and institutional investor communities and this sophisticated transaction affirms the confidence in Manhattan's luxury condominium market," said Gary Barnett, President and Founder of Extell Development Company. "New York City has never known a supertall tower of this caliber and we are pleased to have our institutional partners on board to deliver a product that will be truly exceptional."

Central Park Tower will be the definitive New York skyscraper with an incomparable offering in every respect. Situated on 57th Street with Central Park directly to the north, the tower is supremely located at the intersection of Columbus Circle and the Plaza District. Designed by renowned firm Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architecture, known for such celebrated supertalls around the world including Burj Khalifa in Dubai and the Kingdom Tower in Saudi Arabia, the building will include 179 ultra-luxury residences with gracious layouts, stratospheric views and access to New York's most elevated private club of full-service amenities.

Extell is co-developing Central Park Tower with SMI USA (SMI), the US subsidiary of Shanghai Municipal Investment, a leading infrastructural investment company responsible for the esteemed Shanghai Tower.

Central Park Tower will also be home to an approximately 300,000-square-foot Nordstrom department store. This new seven-story retail space will be the Seattle-based fashion retailer's flagship location in New York City, the first in its over 100-year history.

Extell pioneered the development of ultra-luxury skyscraper development on what is now considered the most prestigious residential corridor in Manhattan with One57, the first supertall tower on Billionaires' Row. The record-breaking glass tower overlooking Central Park, which redefined the New York City skyline, includes 132 premier condominiums above the Park Hyatt's new five-star flagship hotel. One57 is home to the most expensive residence ever sold in New York City history at $100.5 million.

Extell Development Marketing Group will exclusively handle the sales and marketing for Central Park Tower with sales expected to launch in 2018 and completion slated for 2019. For sales information, please call 212-957-5557 or visit www.centralparktower.com.

About Extell

Extell Development Company is a nationally acclaimed real estate developer of residential, commercial, retail, hospitality and mixed-use properties, operating primarily in Manhattan and other premier cities across the nation. In collaboration with world-class architects and design professionals, Extell creates properties distinguished by sophisticated design, gracious floor plans and first-class amenities.

Current projects under development include the largest condominium in Lower Manhattan, One Manhattan Square, located on the edge of the New York Harbor, offering breathtaking water and city views and over 100,000 square feet of amenities; The Kent at 200 East 95th Street, a building that pays homage to some of New York City's Art Deco structures with interiors that echo the classic elegance of the Upper East Side; and 70 Charlton, the first luxury residential development located in Hudson Square, a section within West SoHo. Extell has also restored and updated a number of classics in landmark neighborhoods, including the former Stanhope Hotel at 995 Fifth Avenue and The Belnord, a landmark building on the Upper West Side.



http://www.nasdaq.com/article/nordst...20180102-00435

Nordstrom To Hire 250 Employees For First Stand-alone Men's Store In Manhattan

January 02, 2018


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Nordstrom Inc. said that it will hire 250 employees for its first stand-alone Men's Store in Manhattan, which will open on Broadway between West 57th and West 58th Streets in April 2018.

The company noted that it will also open a New York City flagship store in 2019 at the base of Central Park Tower
, an Extell Development Company Project. Sales and support positions will be posted on Wednesday, January 3. The retailer also announced Cailin Caro, as store manager of the NYC Men's Store, and company veteran Chris Wanlass, as vice president of its Manhattan full-line stores.

Sales positions are available in all areas, including men's apparel, designer, furnishings, shoes and grooming. Hiring will also take place for various support positions in building services, housekeeping, loss prevention, as well as jobs in the store's food offerings.

NYguy Jan 2, 2018 10:11 PM

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Prezrezc Jan 3, 2018 12:48 PM

57th head-on fin the Cervantes photo might turn out to be kinda disappointing.

Nordstrom looks as if it will completely occlude 111W/Steinway and block out what will seem to be a nifty-looking "morph" of it and One57.

NYguy Jan 4, 2018 6:29 PM

https://therealdeal.com/2018/01/04/f...sales-gallery/

First look inside Extell’s Central Park Tower sales gallery
$4B condo tower has a $95M penthouse



By E.B. Solomont
January 04, 2018


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Extell Development has kept details about Central Park Tower close to the vest. But images of the $4 billion condominium’s lavish finishes have started to trickle out, courtesy of a party the developer threw for brokers late last year.

The pictures, shared with The Real Deal by a tipster, show hammered steel kitchen cabinets, brass faucets and gray marble bathrooms flecked with white. Brokers who’ve already taken clients to the building say buyers can choose from light or dark finishes in the bathrooms and kitchen.

Extell declined to comment on the images, which are the first depicting the project’s sales gallery.

The Gary Barnett-led firm rang in 2018 by sewing up $1.14 billion in construction financing for the project from a consortium led by JPMorgan Chase, as TRD first reported. On Wednesday morning, the site at 217 West 57th Street was buzzing as construction workers milled about on foot and trucks laden with hoists idled on 57th Street.

Extell is projecting a sellout of just over $4 billion for Central Park Tower’s 179 units — 20 of which will ask $60 million or more — according to the offering plan which was approved by the New York Attorney General last May. Prices range from $1.5 million for a 569-square-foot studio to $95 million for a penthouse spanning 7,984 square feet. Three penthouses, the largest of which spans 15,898 square feet, were not listed for sale in the offering plan.

The building is being marketed in-house by Jason Karadus, an alum of Town Residential who jumped to Brown Harris Stevens in 2016. He joined Extell in August, according to his LinkedIn profile.

Although sales haven’t officially launched, brokers familiar with the project said Extell has been quietly marketing the condos to friends and family in recent months. Barnett’s firm invited agents on Nov. 16 to the project’s sales gallery at 147 West 57th Street — a retail space adjacent to One57, where the developer sold a record-breaking penthouse for $100.45 million.

“We are completely in love with the project,” said Brenda Powers of Sotheby’s International Realty, who attended the soiree.

Another broker who went the party said it was a throwback to the heyday of the city’s condo boom, with touches like hand-rolled cigars and wait staff passing out Manhattans and Old-Fashioneds.

“It made you feel like, ‘Oh good, there’s a little bit of extravagance,’” the agent said.

vandelay Jan 4, 2018 6:35 PM

The interior finishes look pretty tacky.

patriotizzy Jan 4, 2018 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by vandelay (Post 8036431)
The interior finishes look pretty tacky.

Don't mean to sound defensive, but since when did granite start to look tacky? Or is there something specific you find tacky.

nyc_alex Jan 4, 2018 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by patriotizzy (Post 8036769)
Don't mean to sound defensive, but since when did granite start to look tacky? Or is there something specific you find tacky.

Eh, I kinda agree the kitchen looks a bit tacky with the oddly textured dark cabinets. Not my favorite but it is different from the usual. All the other looks really good to me. Clearly all very high end.

vandelay Jan 5, 2018 1:15 AM

Way over the top interiors. Too many textures, heavily veined stones, metal? It looks more like a trashy hotel interior or club than a suitable luxurious home.

Busy Bee Jan 5, 2018 2:52 AM

For one thing there is no granite in any of those photos. That's all marble, the light being mirrored veined Carrara. Besides being the stone du jour for quite awhile now, I'm not sure how anyone could mistake it for flecked granite.

As for the rest of the model, the cabinetry is a little odd, they'll probably have a lot of buyers that don't like it and spec it out for something different. The rest looks like pretty par for the course super-high-end. Lookks good.

NYguy Jan 5, 2018 6:40 AM

Uploaded some photos from the link so you guys can fight over the finishes some more...:cool:



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Zerton Jan 5, 2018 5:21 PM

Those kitchen cabinets would have to go... along with that rose-gold sink. Ew. But the bathrooms looks decent.

Edit: And just wanted to say - the glass is looking really blue. Is there still a protective film on it?

ILNY Jan 5, 2018 6:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zerton (Post 8037436)
Edit: And just wanted to say - the glass is looking really blue. Is there still a protective film on it?

Yes.

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JMKeynes Jan 5, 2018 6:56 PM

The glass on this tower will be of the highest quality.

patriotizzy Jan 5, 2018 9:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Busy Bee (Post 8037001)
For one thing there is no granite in any of those photos. That's all marble, the light being mirrored veined Carrara. Besides being the stone du jour for quite awhile now, I'm not sure how anyone could mistake it for flecked granite.

As for the rest of the model, the cabinetry is a little odd, they'll probably have a lot of buyers that don't like it and spec it out for something different. The rest looks like pretty par for the course super-high-end. Lookks good.

I meant marble. Obvious mistake. Don't shoot me! :P

Busy Bee Jan 5, 2018 11:55 PM

You're forgiven;)

chris08876 Jan 6, 2018 3:50 AM

The hammered steel cabinets look wicked. Its amazing what the right textures can do for an interior. Speaking in general too. The right wood trim, cabinet texture/composition, and it can look like a million bucks. I wonder what the cost of a kitchen like that would be?

Busy Bee Jan 6, 2018 4:25 AM

More than it's worth?

NYguy Jan 7, 2018 2:51 AM

^ Things are worth whatever people are willing to pay.




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chris08876 Jan 8, 2018 4:22 PM

Rendering with CPT:

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Credit: NYY

NYguy Jan 8, 2018 5:37 PM

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faridnyc Jan 8, 2018 6:10 PM

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It look like 1vandy domine the skyline , i wish that cpt come back it s spire !!!!!

gramsjdg Jan 9, 2018 3:33 PM

1 Vandy in that render looks to be the 1500 ft version going by the relative height of the PanAm building. The proportions are those for the 1500 ft version, it doesn't look squished like the current 1400' version. Is that an older render?

NYguy Jan 9, 2018 5:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gramsjdg (Post 8040804)
1 Vandy in that render looks to be the 1500 ft version going by the relative height of the PanAm building. The proportions are those for the 1500 ft version, it doesn't look squished like the current 1400' version. Is that an older render?

Whoever made it probably used an older render.

TowerDude Jan 9, 2018 6:21 PM

I don't understand selling these units with pre-installed, pre-selected interiors ... for the prices they are charging the people buying them should be able to afford to have all the interior decorating done by contractors of their choosing. It would also reduce the cost of building the towers in the first place.

Zerton Jan 9, 2018 6:26 PM

Is 1 Vanderbilt also at a higher natural elevation like the Empire State Building?

NYguy Jan 9, 2018 6:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Zerton (Post 8041045)
Is 1 Vanderbilt also at a higher natural elevation like the Empire State Building?


Generally, the further north you go in Manhattan, the higher the elevation. One Vanderbilt is at 63 ft. CPT is around 80 ft.




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Originally Posted by TowerDude (Post 8041031)
I don't understand selling these units with pre-installed, pre-selected interiors ... for the prices they are charging the people buying them should be able to afford to have all the interior decorating done by contractors of their choosing.

Nobody says they won't, but you have to show them something.

Crawford Jan 9, 2018 6:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TowerDude (Post 8041031)
I don't understand selling these units with pre-installed, pre-selected interiors ... for the prices they are charging the people buying them should be able to afford to have all the interior decorating done by contractors of their choosing. It would also reduce the cost of building the towers in the first place.

I have never heard of a building that didn't have a pre-selected menu of options. Even 220 CPS, the most expensive condo building anywhere, has such a menu.

If owners want a clean slate, and use their own designers, that will be priced into the final sale. You would get a developer credit whether a 400k home in sprawlburbia Midwest or a $100 million Manhattan condo.

NYguy Jan 10, 2018 2:13 AM

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jsbrook Jan 10, 2018 2:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 8041073)
Generally, the further north you go in Manhattan, the higher the elevation. One Vanderbilt is at 63 ft. CPT is around 80 ft.






Nobody says they won't, but you have to show them something.

Plus, they actually FINISH most of the units that aren't pre-sold. Buyers that commit early enough can often swap out their own choices, and their private architects can often work with the building architects and developers. Sometimes the penthouses and other select units are left as raw space, but most are usually finished if they are not sold early.

ILNY Jan 10, 2018 6:02 AM

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Zapatan Jan 11, 2018 1:47 AM

While I'm extremely happy these monster towers are popping up near the park I can't help but feel bad for the people who's view they block, causing their property value to just plummet I imagine. Although I'm sure they saw it coming at some point.

Oh well, such is life in the skyscraper kingdom I suppose. :)

chris08876 Jan 11, 2018 1:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Zapatan (Post 8042901)
While I'm extremely happy these monster towers are popping up near the park I can't help but feel bad for the people who's view they block, causing their property value to just plummet I imagine. Although I'm sure they saw it coming at some point.

It'll keep rising (the prices). Views really don't have direct impact on the whole supply/demand/land price game across the city.

Pricing wise from a developer standpoint, sure... developers can charge ridiculous prices for top views, but there are apartments facing blank walls that are worth more than most houses. And the price of the unit relative to the market continues to rise.

Even than, look at the pricing for Verre or One57 on the lower levels. Still over a million or even 432 Park.

Even if there is an apartment with one window, facing a Gene Kaufman blank wall thats 3' away from it, people will still buy it. You could build a shit box on Broadway and 34th, and people will buy it. Even if its the ugliest looking tower out there, location location location!!!

NYguy Jan 11, 2018 7:22 PM

https://therealdeal.com/2018/01/11/t...s-in-no-hurry/

The clock’s ticking on Extell’s Central Park Tower. Here’s why the market is in no hurry
Pads priced between $30M and $40M took 261 days to sell in 2017


By E.B. Solomont
January 11, 2018


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Extell Development quieted naysayers betting against Central Park Tower by closing $1.14 billion in financing for its planned supertall. But now the clock is ticking for Gary Barnett’s firm — thanks to a loan clause that requires the developer to sell $500 million worth of apartments by 2020.

Despite that three-year runway, luxury pads are taking longer to sell compared to years past: Properties asking $4 million or more spent an average of 433 days on the market in 2017, compared to 318 days in 2016, according to Olshan Realty, which tracks luxury units placed under contract.

“Big-ticket units definitely take more time,” said CORE’s Emily Beare. “There’s a really high expectation of what’s going to be delivered.” The buyer pool is also thin at the very top of the market, she added.

Prices at Central Park Tower, which is slated to rise 1,550 feet, range from $1.5 million for a 569-square-foot studio to $95 million penthouse spanning 7,984 square feet. At least 20 of the 179 units are asking $60 million or more — and three gargantuan units haven’t even been listed yet. But the bulk of the units are two- and three-bedrooms priced between $6.5 million and $26 million.The total projected sellout is $4 billion.


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At Central Park Tower, the average price is $7,106 per foot — a relatively modest sum compared to neighbors like 220 Central Park South, where the average price was $7,357 per foot when sales launched in 2015. At 220 CPS, the cheapest condo available was a two-bedroom asking just under $12 million. By comparison, Central Park Tower’s least expensive pad is a studio for $1.5 million. Two-bedrooms start at $6.5 million.

“To do a two-bedroom facing the park under $10 million doesn’t exist, and they’ve done it,” said Compass’ Victoria Shtainer, who’s already taken two buyers to the sales center. She said the building is priced to sell today — not three years out. “Some developers price a $10 million apartment at $15 million because that’s where they think the market will be.”


Prezrezc Jan 11, 2018 9:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chris08876 (Post 8042908)
Even if there is an apartment with one window, facing a Gene Kaufman blank wall thats 3' away from it, people will still buy it. You could build a shit box on Broadway and 34th, and people will buy it. Even if its the ugliest looking tower out there, location location location!!!

I'll take your word for that; but wouldn't you think that an architect who just might have that consideration in mind render the presentation an afterthought at best?
For all we know, 220CPS prolly would've had a huge blank wall--textured perhaps--but a blank wall nonetheless if it didn't have the addy it enjoys now.

As for Nordstrom, apparently the blank wall beneath the cantilever is still that, which might affect the overal street-level ambience (I know it's a retail-based tower; but...).


I hope that makes sense.

chris08876 Jan 12, 2018 12:16 AM

When it comes to design, a lot is at stake. Does design have a role in the marketing and desirability of the tower, sure. Does the architect think of design as an extension of his artistic vision and skills? Of course.

Architects and designers are artists. They provide the computational power of the left hemisphere of the their brain into designing and creating elaborate patters, designs, angles... that all coincide with the vision of the client or the developer. And sometimes blank walls will be a portion of it.

Now keep in mind not all architects or designers are stellar. They have to balance out their own vision, with the vision of the developer. Engineering, limitations of the site relative to their surroundings, all play a role in the design. Even how people react with the interior plays a role in the design.

When it comes to prices though, desirability and location over-rule design. Some people only care about a roof over their head.

Prezrezc Jan 12, 2018 2:13 AM

If it's relevant, the aspects you mentioned are what shape up-and-coming skylines like Austin and booming ones like Miami, Philly and, to a lesser extent, Frisco, LA, Chcago and even Detroit(!).

That and sundry economic factors.

Now let's start peelng off that blue protective stuff and see what the renders have only given us an artificial glimpse of.

Mr Saturn64 Jan 13, 2018 2:47 AM

^Philly's booming? I don't know. It is my hometown and I love it, but we've only got 2 buildings over 500 feet under construction right now.

That's going to look amazing, looking down the street at the tower once it's completed. 220 Central Park South does look really good in that position now.

TK2001 Jan 13, 2018 4:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Saturn64 (Post 8045713)
^Philly's booming? I don't know. It is my hometown and I love it, but we've only got 2 buildings over 500 feet under construction right now.

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Brody Natario Jan 13, 2018 9:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TowerDude (Post 8041031)
I don't understand selling these units with pre-installed, pre-selected interiors ... for the prices they are charging the people buying them should be able to afford to have all the interior decorating done by contractors of their choosing. It would also reduce the cost of building the towers in the first place.

When we toured both One57 and 432 Park, the upper most floors were going to be delivered as blank slates for the price indicated. It is up to the buyer to find an architect, designer and all related professionals to make your unit as you want it.
The lower floors will all be finished according to their brochures with substantial upgrades made available for a pocket full of coin.
Most new developments will offer you that option if you want to do your own thing....with each building having their own set of rules and policies.
I see both positive and negative points with these options. On the positive you don't have to do a thing but sign the contract. BUT with your signature comes additional fees to finish as indicated.
On the negative, I feel when you are spending $125 mil for a top floor penthouse, NOTHING should carry an extra fee. It appears the builders and developers believe once they have you, they can take your bank account and then the fun (for them) begins.
Our highline fronting unit came fully built out as indicated in their plans but we asked if we were able to make some common sense changes and they agreed. The extra work was equal to what they charged us so it was not a big deal. I tell you, placement of doors and storage cabinets makes a huge difference....and having his and his master bathrooms would have turned out to be wasted space. We took that space and added a significant amount of room for a sitting/media area.
I cannot begin to imagine the excitement/anticipation/frustration of buying and owning one of the penthouses in any of these super talls! Having a year or two of waiting after your purchase would make me go nuts waiting....

NYguy Jan 14, 2018 1:39 AM

^ Makes sense.



A skyline view, pre CP tower taking its place as tallest in Midtown....at this point it's just another skyscraper in Manhattan.


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Mr Saturn64 Jan 14, 2018 5:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TK2001 (Post 8045769)
Research Schuylkill Yards and Philly District 30

I know quite a bit about them, and I don't see skyscrapers coming up for the next few years, unless we somehow win Amazon. (Not out of the realm of possibility, but not likely)

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Anyway, does anyone else think the lack of a spire or antenna here is going to throw the skyline off a bit? Maybe it's just because so many of NYC's tallest (1WTC, ESB, One Vanderbilt, even Chrysler) have spires, and it seems strange that Midtown's tallest would just have a flat roof like that.

NYguy Jan 14, 2018 1:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Saturn64 (Post 8046507)
Anyway, does anyone else think the lack of a spire or antenna here is going to throw the skyline off a bit? Maybe it's just because so many of NYC's tallest (1WTC, ESB, One Vanderbilt, even Chrysler) have spires, and it seems strange that Midtown's tallest would just have a flat roof like that.


I've been saying that for a while. Though the tower could have been designed to better accommodate a spire, the skyline of New York should always be crowned by a spire. It's the classic skyline. No one draws a flat-topped skyline.



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faridnyc Jan 15, 2018 6:06 AM

I noticed the cpt with its spire sharply domine the skyline

TowerDude Jan 15, 2018 12:35 PM

These buildings are already "spire-thin" to begin with.

WhatTheHeck5205 Jan 15, 2018 2:07 PM

I’m probably in the minority at this point but I think CPT will look pretty good without the spire. I feel like it will have a pretty distinct, prominent crown with those vertical slit thingies (fins? louvers?) above that last setback at the penthouse level. I think to add a spire back on would feel kind of tacked-on and wouldn’t really integrate well with the building unless the design were altered. It’s also such a slender building that I think the whole “flat roof” debate is sort of rendered moot.


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