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ethereal_reality Jul 14, 2020 6:23 PM

:previous: Very cool photograph, CityBoyDoug






I couldn't decide if the Rotor ebay pic was taken at night or if the whole contraption was inside a building.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...923/izyeWR.jpg





Below: This detailed image from a postcard answered by question.

It was, indeed, inside its own massive building.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...924/dSChkf.jpg
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Larger than life tumbling women all over the exterior. (I just noticed there are a few tumbling men as well)


If you look closely. . .the writing on the building appears to be "Max Myers presents Hoffmeister's ROTOR".


P.S. Sorry your girlfriend threw up on you, Hollywood Graham. :(
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HossC Jul 14, 2020 6:57 PM

From www.messynessychic.com:
The Rotor, also known as the “Devil’s Hole”, was designed by German engineer Ernst Hoffmeister in the late 1940s and first demonstrated at Oktoberfest in 1949 before becoming popular at fairs throughout the rest of Europe and America during the 50s and 60s.
The article has an interior shot labeled as Coney Island, but I don't know if that's where this Hoffmeister's Rotor was located. It's almost identical to the one The Pike.

https://static.messynessychic.com/wp...6/12/rotor.jpg
https://static.messynessychic.com/wp...6/12/rotor.jpg

The site also has a view of the audience inside a rotor on at least five steeply stacked tiers.

quickstop Jul 14, 2020 7:09 PM

The trick to not getting sick as I remember was only to look at your fellow spinners because relative to you they weren't moving, if you made the mistake of looking up at the spectators, you would get dizzy almost instantly.

Bristolian Jul 14, 2020 8:32 PM

Magic Mountain had Spin Out. It was there from when the park opened in 1971 until 2008.


https://i.imgur.com/qik1064.jpg?1
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Martin Pal Jul 14, 2020 8:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8980381)
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The Headliner Restaurant - 1540 Cahuenga Blvd. - 'Til 3 A.M.
The information inside the match cover.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/ZtpLb7.jpg

With the mention of Franklyn D'Amore I think this place might have also gone by the name, Casa D'Amore


Here's the Link to an earlier post that mentions Franklyn and the Casa D'Amore. (also on Cahuenga)

for search purposes: Think-A-Drink Hoffman and Nat Golde
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I don't think these two places are the same as this menu from Casa D'Amore shows it to be located at 1644 Cahuenga Blvd. and serving Pizza and Italian dishes, whereas Noir_Noir's neon sign info shows The Headliner serving spare ribs, chicken, steak and French Dips.

[CLICK on the photo below to see the full menu and also what around 20 famous patrons have to say about the place! Also, they all spell his name Franklin...:shrug:]


https://i1.wp.com/martinturnbull.com...pg?w=163&ssl=1Reddit

Martin Pal Jul 14, 2020 9:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8980930)

:previous::previous:
I wonder if the guy on the left is holding onto more than his friend's pants?

There is a similar type of amusement park, fair grounds ride I remember riding frequently from a few decades ago. There's some youtube videos of one named Zero Gravity.

Video Link


The above video is watching it spin from outside.
The video below was taken inside the ride.
In my memory, the forces held you to the back of the ride,
but these riders don't seem to be like that. :shrug:

Video Link



Wiki also has a page about a ride called The Gravitron:

The Gravitron is an amusement ride, most commonly found as a portable ride at fairs and carnivals. The Gravitron first appeared at Morey's Piers, NJ, in 1983 and quickly became a fixture at amusement parks in many countries. It is a modification of an earlier ride called the Rotor.

Among others, it also goes by these names: the Starship, Starship 2000, Starship Area 51, Starship Gravitron, Starship Exodus, Alien Abduction, Alien Invasion, Twister, Devil's Hole, Area 51, Flight To Mars, and Enterprise.

Search youtube and there's plenty of videos of that one, too.

nadeau Jul 15, 2020 12:09 AM

[QUOTE=Martin Pal;8981195]:previous::previous:
I wonder if the guy on the left is holding onto more than his friend's pants?

Those two on the left do seem to be having the most fun!

CityBoyDoug Jul 15, 2020 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Pal (Post 8981195)
:previous::previous:
I wonder if the guy on the left is holding onto more than his friend's pants?

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According to the Patent, the Rotor has to spin at 33 revolutions per minute for it to stick you to the wall. Very important....as we can understand.

Yes, Martin, I did notice that guy at the left in my photo was holding on to something in his friend's pants. Probably a candy bar he didn't want to fall out, as they were upside down.

ethereal_reality Jul 15, 2020 1:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cityboydoug (Post 8981402)
Probably a candy bar he didn't want to fall out, as they were upside down.

I don't think that's a candy bar.

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rick m Jul 15, 2020 2:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CityBoyDoug (Post 8980847)
As far as I know, these types of rides are still existing in the US.

Was one hilarious time inside the spinner at P.O.P. about 1961---- My grand aunt Ruth went in there with us grandkids -And did she ever howl and shriek when her silk dress rode up to her chest - completely letting all see her girdle-bound form...

Scott Charles Jul 15, 2020 2:46 AM

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Originally Posted by quickstop (Post 8981005)
The trick to not getting sick as I remember was only to look at your fellow spinners because relative to you they weren't moving, if you made the mistake of looking up at the spectators, you would get dizzy almost instantly.

There was some outdoor summer carnival in Malibu back around 2000, it was set up in this vacant lot.

They had a small version of the “Rotor” ride there, and I did exactly as you describe, quickstop.

It didn't help.

I didn't vomit (I almost never vomit, even when I have a severe flu), but I nearly passed out, got extremely dizzy and literally thought I was going to die. My girlfriend, on the other hand, was completely unscathed. It took me about 20 minutes after the ride before I could even stand up without falling over. My friends pretty much had to carry me out of the ride.

Let's just say I HATED the experience and would never do it again.

If you ever need to get information out of me, skip the waterboarding - just threaten to put me on the Rotor ride for sixty seconds.

I'll tell you everything you want to know.

sadykadie2 Jul 15, 2020 4:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8981429)
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I don't think that's a candy bar.

:haha:

Lwize Jul 15, 2020 6:26 PM

I "rode" the Spin Out at Magic Mountain probably a dozen times with no ill effects.

Also their version of The Gravitron called The Electric Rainbow.

ethereal_reality Jul 15, 2020 10:23 PM

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odinthor reminded me there is a 'Rotor' scene Truffaut's 1959 film, The 400 Blows.

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/mYu0UI.jpg
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https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/8...922/LxOgw8.jpg
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To get this shot I imagine Truffaut attached his movie camera to the center clyinder (fixed axis) that you see in the top photo.



Thanks for the reminder, odinthor. :)
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ethereal_reality Jul 15, 2020 10:36 PM

Here are two slides of Union Station taken in 1979.


I was in the station a few times in the 1980s but I don't recognize the following two interior spaces.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Vd8G1x.jpg
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Is that an elevator bank?





https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/i7cQex.jpg
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Luggage area?



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BillinGlendaleCA Jul 16, 2020 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8982472)
Here are two slides of Union Station taken in 1979.


I was in the station a few times in the 1980s but I don't recognize the following two interior spaces.


https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/Vd8G1x.jpg
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Is that an elevator bank?





https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/i7cQex.jpg
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Luggage area?



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I think they're both at the east end of the main waiting room, the "elevator banks" are phone booths and it's to the right after you leave the main waiting room. The second is now the entrance to the Metrorail Union Station station.

CityBoyDoug Jul 16, 2020 1:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ethereal_reality (Post 8982472)
Here are two slides of Union Station taken in 1979.


I was in the station a few times in the 1980s but I don't recognize the following two interior spaces

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1...923/i7cQex.jpg
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Luggage area?



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I was last in that station in the late 1970s. I had just arrived from AZ on a train that was so crowded that I had to sit in the floor or stairs of the car. There were no seats available but they sold me and 20 other people tickets anyway.:D The aisles were crowded with people on the floor.

BDiH Jul 16, 2020 2:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillinGlendaleCA (Post 8982579)
I think they're both at the east end of the main waiting room, the "elevator banks" are phone booths and it's to the right after you leave the main waiting room. The second is now the entrance to the Metrorail Union Station station.

They're closed doors on the left. When opened at train time, they lead passengers to the tunnel that took them to the tracks. They were kept closed until train time, so that people would not go track side until a boarding call was made. Those doors were removed around the early 1990s. Now, anyone can walk up to the platforms and view the tracks at anytime.

BillinGlendaleCA Jul 16, 2020 3:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDiH (Post 8982687)
They're closed doors on the left. When opened at train time, they lead passengers to the tunnel that took them to the tracks. They were kept closed until train time, so that people would not go track side until a boarding call was made. Those doors were removed around the early 1990s. Now, anyone can walk up to the platforms and view the tracks at anytime.

I think the platform entrance is out of frame to the right in the second photo, the center of that photo is where the entrance to Metrorail is.

Mackerm Jul 16, 2020 9:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyingwedge (Post 6192788)
First off, to get oriented, here's the 1873 map of Los Angeles, which I've brazenly stolen from MR's earlier post (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...tcount=14027):
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7275/7...c7241753_o.jpg
PlazaMap3

I first came across the photo below -- which I'll subsequently refer to as the mystery photo -- at the USC Digital Library site, where it is undated and unlocated
(http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...d/24663/rec/79), then I found it at the Autry National Center site, where they have ID'd the photo as Sonoratown, 1860.
The angular white buildings(s) in the foreground of the northeast-looking mystery photo are on the corners of Eternity (not named on map), Church* (or Bread),
and Calle Principal. If I'm not mistaken, the large two-story building on the right side of the photo is the Bath Street Public School, built c. 1854. The street
that comes in from the left side of the photo and seemingly disappears behind that building is Alameda Street, and I'm pretty sure that the white line running
eastward from the back of the two-story building is Macy Street:
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8ccd50fc.jpg
theautry.org -- http://collections.theautry.org/mweb...=93_21_234.jpg
*The side with eight doors and one window.

Compare the mystery photo with this one, which LAPL says is c. 1875 (and taken from the Pico House, which is impossible). USC has the same photo without
identifying where it was taken from but also says it was taken c. 1875 (although the USC print has 1869 written on it):
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/...psa9c459eb.jpg
LAPL -- http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics03/00011128.jpg
USC -- http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/si...25373/rec/1473

In the above photo, we see on the left the northwest corner of Church and Calle Principal. The building two structures south of the two-story building now also
has a second story. The three-story building in the background, on the southeast corner of Alameda and Macy, is the Sisters of Charity Orphanage, built in 1857
(http://www.maryvale-ca.org/about-us) or 1858 (LAPL). That orphanage was replaced by the big one in Boyle Heights in 1891, which we've seen here before.

I know the two photos were taken from slightly different angles. But if the mystery photo was taken after the Sisters of Charity Orphanage was built, shouldn't we
be able to see just a sliver of the orphanage on the right edge of the mystery photo?

The payoff here is that if the mystery photo was taken before 1858, it would apparently be the oldest known photograph of Los Angeles:
http://www.kcet.org/updaily/socal_fo...s-angeles.html

Did you get any feedback on whether this is indeed the oldest known photo of Los Angeles? (This is a 2013 post from page 776.)

I happened to be reading about the Sisters of Charity school. The 1873 Ruxton survey shows it as a rectangle:
https://hdl.huntington.org/digital/c...d/11821/rec/13

But this panoramic map dated 1871 shows it as "L" shaped:
https://oac.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/tf2b69p065/?brand=oac4 (also note the circular drawing in the lower right.)

This 1877 panoramic map also shows it as "L" shaped:
https://oac.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/tf3d5nb4gh/?brand=oac4


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