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LeftCoaster Sep 1, 2017 7:38 PM

New routes to India? Like beyond DEL and BOM?

I think Tehran would be a great route for both YYZ and YVR. Both have a large wealthy Persian diaspora and both have large wealthy Persian diasporas to their south who cannot get a direct Tehran flight because of the current US political climate.

SFUVancouver Sep 1, 2017 9:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ACT7 (Post 7909533)
AC had been reportedly working on finalizing new routes to India so a YYZ announcement is probably imminent. Not sure if that means next week but soonish I would imagine. Johannesburg and Teheran are apparently also in the works.

Johannesburg would be an astonishing route for Air Canada, but one that I'm unsure if it has the right aircraft to fly, or a market to warrant the cost.

https://i.imgur.com/Zynrv4n.gif
Great Circle Mapper

At approximately 8,300 nm from YYZ to JNB, it exceeds the legs of the Dreamliner (788 and 789), if I am not mistaken, or is at least at the upper operational limits of the 789. That's also about 500nm further than the airline's current longest flight (YYZ-HKG at 7,810nm). A 77L or 77W could do it, though, but probably not at MTOW, since JNB is a hot & high airport.

YUL-JNB makes more sense to me than YYZ-JNB, both because it is 300nm closer and because of JNB serving as a significant hub for Francophone West African travelers. Still...

https://i.imgur.com/U06mZen.gif
Great Circle Mapper

Cape Town could be a pretty amazing destination and it's just a quick-ish hop to Johannesburg or Durban for those wanting to continue on to the country's other major cities. YYZ-CPT is still 8,157nm and YUL-CPT is 7,935.

For a couple of years I did quite a bit of travel to Johannesburg for work and I would have loved to have the opportunity to fly a domestic leg from YVR and then a straight shot to JNB. I routed through LHR or HKG and it would always be a taxing haul to do 30+ hours of continuous travel, including as much as 24 hours in the air, and then arrive at ten to seven in the morning and go straight into meetings. I still have some PTSD about those trips.

Edit: just realized that my Great Circle Mapper output was in miles, not nautical miles.

hollywoodcory Sep 1, 2017 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7909239)
So last week was YUL's time to shine. This week it's YVR. So I guess a YYZ announcement next week?

Or they could share some love with YYC, but I doubt it. :haha:

craneSpotter Sep 2, 2017 2:47 AM

YVR July pax stats:

Total - 2,432,977 (+7.1%)

Domestic - 1,154,635 (+5.5%)

International - 659,658 (+7.8%)

Transborder - 618,684 (+9.8%)



YTD - 13,790,748 (+8.2%)

thenoflyzone Sep 2, 2017 2:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver (Post 7909873)
Johannesburg would be an astonishing route for Air Canada, but one that I'm unsure if it has the right aircraft to fly, or a market to warrant the cost.

At approximately 8,300 nm from YYZ to JNB, it exceeds the legs of the Dreamliner (788 and 789), if I am not mistaken, or is at least at the upper operational limits of the 789. That's also about 500nm further than the airline's current longest flight (YYZ-HKG at 7,810nm). A 77L or 77W could do it, though, but probably not at MTOW, since JNB is a hot & high airport.

YUL-JNB makes more sense to me than YYZ-JNB, both because it is 300nm closer and because of JNB serving as a significant hub for Francophone West African travelers. Still...

Cape Town could be a pretty amazing destination and it's just a quick-ish hop to Johannesburg or Durban for those wanting to continue on to the country's other major cities. YYZ-CPT is still 8,157nm and YUL-CPT is 7,935.

For a couple of years I did quite a bit of travel to Johannesburg for work and I would have loved to have the opportunity to fly a domestic leg from YVR and then a straight shot to JNB. I routed through LHR or HKG and it would always be a taxing haul to do 30+ hours of continuous travel, including as much as 24 hours in the air, and then arrive at ten to seven in the morning and go straight into meetings. I still have some PTSD about those trips.

DL operates ATL-JNB (7334 nm), a longer flight than YYZ-JNB (7216 nm), with the 77L, with no issues.

Range isn't an issue for the 77L, which can travel 8,500 nm with 317 passengers. AC's 77L only have 300 seats.

YUL-JNB makes no sense considering the 77L is capable of operating YYZ-JNB-YYZ. All westbound flights to North America from JNB will be payload restricted, so choosing YUL over YYZ won't solve anything. AC will want to operate the route into their primary hub, which has the most O&D to JNB, and where the cargo/connection opportunities are greater. That is YYZ-JNB-YYZ.

IKA (Tehran) and JNB make sense for YYZ. I think both routes will happen. I wouldn't be surprised if one of these gets announced this coming week.

SkahHigh Sep 2, 2017 2:47 PM

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Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 7910060)
YVR July pax stats:

Total - 2,432,977 (+7.1%)

Domestic - 1,154,635 (+5.5%)

International - 659,658 (+7.8%)

Transborder - 618,684 (+9.8%)



YTD - 13,790,748 (+8.2%)

I thought YUL could match YVR this month but no. Great growth from Van.

thenoflyzone Sep 2, 2017 2:51 PM

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Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 7910060)
YVR July pax stats:

Total - 2,432,977 (+7.1%)

Domestic - 1,154,635 (+5.5%)

International - 659,658 (+7.8%)

Transborder - 618,684 (+9.8%)



YTD - 13,790,748 (+8.2%)

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7908928)
YUL July stats are out:

1,914,825 +11.4%

Domestic 701,599 +9.7%

International 819,082 +14.5%

Transborder 394,144 +8.4%

YTD 10,469,576 +9.3%

Both airports are on quite a roll. YUL's numbers are insane ! International growth was double that of YVR (the cap on Chinese carriers is showing its effect). Domestic is also picking up nicely, but can't compare to YVR's number.
A lot of IRROPS days at YUL in August. Let's see how that will affect the passenger numbers.

thenoflyzone Sep 2, 2017 3:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cage (Post 7903155)
I'm seeing on some systems that AC19/20 is the new flight number for YYZ-NRT. This flight will be operated by the 789 on a daily basis.

Indeed. It is now on ac.com flight schedules. Virtually identical times to YUL-NRT-YUL.

AC19 YYZ1400 - 1545+1NRT B789 D
AC20 NRT1730 - 1625YYZ B789 D

chris Sep 2, 2017 11:39 PM

YVR-SIN is 7976mi

YYZ-JNB is 8303mi

per Great Circle Mapper

Beyond Cape Town and Durban, I don't see a lot of demand coming from the rest of South Africa. Even in neighboring countries...Botswana, Mozambique, Namibia...is there a lot of traffic to Canada from there? I think not.

SaskScraper Sep 3, 2017 1:18 AM

with Delta flying non-stop between Atlanta to Johannesburg, It's the most convenient & literally just a hop, skip and juuuump to South Africa.

Last time I flew from Saskatoon to Joburg, it was couple hours to Minni & a couple hours to Atlanta before catching that afternoon's 17 hour over night flight to Joburg.. never spent more than a couple hours in each of Minni or Atlanta and it was about the most direct route you can get, seamlessly easy..

giallo Sep 3, 2017 3:41 AM

I felt the crunch a couple of weeks ago at YVR. The growth is fantastic, but they'll need to keep expanding the airport quickly. I left on a Friday, and the international departure area felt like a fire hazard - especially going through the security check. Way too many people for the space provided.

thenoflyzone Sep 4, 2017 1:04 PM

Top US destinatons from YUL based on O&D for 2016

Bold denotes non-stop service.

1. FLL 412,803

2. New York 390,581

3. LAX 187,254

4. MCO 174,297

5. LAS 161,933

6. SFO 157,587

7. ORD 138,493

8. MIA 123,791

9. IAD 89,040

10. ATL 75,950

11. DFW 59,200

12. BOS 57,780

13. PHL 52,640

14. TPA 45,283

15. IAH 43,630

16. Hawaii 41,753

17. DEN 37,460

18. SAN 36,702

19. PHX 36,631 (non stop begins Feb 22, 2018)

20. MSP 35,830

21. SEA 33,800

22. DTW 31,320

23. PBI 26,446

24. RSW 26,405

25. CLT 25,850

26. MSY 23,050

27. RDU 22,060

28. SJU 19,436

29. BNA 18.735

30. AUS 18,690

31. PDX 16,840


Source: StatsCan

http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26...&pattern=&csid

speedog Sep 4, 2017 2:29 PM

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Originally Posted by giallo (Post 7910573)
I felt the crunch a couple of weeks ago at YVR. The growth is fantastic, but they'll need to keep expanding the airport quickly. I left on a Friday, and the international departure area felt like a fire hazard - especially going through the security check. Way too many people for the space provided.

So do fire marshalls/whomever do a spot check with respect to rated capacities in public spaces such as this?

Cage Sep 5, 2017 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by speedog (Post 7911160)
So do fire marshalls/whomever do a spot check with respect to rated capacities in public spaces such as this?

The rated capacity is for the whole building and is not segregated per area, AFAIK.

Last year my kids elementary school held a dance. 650 kids and adults for a K-4 elementary school with 450 pupils. A question was asked about fire capacity for the gym. Response back for school board was we could have up to 1,000 people and still be under fire capacity because the fire capacity is calculated on whole building.

thenoflyzone Sep 5, 2017 12:47 AM

Heard AC will announce a new European route out of YUL this month. Let the speculations begin.

DUB, LIS, GLA, EDI.....plenty of holes in AC's European network out of YUL.

G.S MTL Sep 5, 2017 2:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7911505)
Heard AC will announce a new European route out of YUL this month. Let the speculations begin.

DUB, LIS, GLA, EDI.....plenty of holes in AC's European network out of YUL.

LIS would be A great choice !! For us Portuguese :p

Nicko999 Sep 5, 2017 4:15 AM

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Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7911555)
LIS would be A great choice !! For us Portuguese :p

How about Eastern Europe? There is a massive hole to be filled there. Judging by the massive Romanian community here, maybe Bucharest?

Marshal Sep 5, 2017 8:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by giallo (Post 7910573)
I felt the crunch a couple of weeks ago at YVR. The growth is fantastic, but they'll need to keep expanding the airport quickly. I left on a Friday, and the international departure area felt like a fire hazard - especially going through the security check. Way too many people for the space provided.

Picked up a friend tonight (8PM) at YVR and traffic was backed up to before the Petro Canada station. We never hear about expansions with regard to auto traffic beyond more parking.

thenoflyzone Sep 5, 2017 1:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicko999 (Post 7911612)
How about Eastern Europe? There is a massive hole to be filled there. Judging by the massive Romanian community here, maybe Bucharest?

Or France? Still plenty of routes left for AC in France. TLS, BOD, NTE....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marshal (Post 7911688)
Picked up a friend tonight (8PM) at YVR and traffic was backed up to before the Petro Canada station. We never hear about expansions with regard to auto traffic beyond more parking.

That's nothing. I've seen cars backed up here in YUL up to the 520 highway.(That's the equivalent of templeton street at YVR)

Leaving the airport too, because of the Dorval circle nightmare, I've seen cars backed up from the airport all the way to highway 20.

At least YVR has the SkyTrain, which eases road congestion. YUL doesn't have a train line, yet.

Marshal Sep 5, 2017 10:24 PM

Well good for you. But, that is of little interest. I'm sure things get worse than what I experienced at YVR, but its not about comparing or competing. We have a lot of initial planning for all sorts of expansions at YVR: terminal, air-side, runways, taxiways, fuel pipelines, parking structures, etc. My little traffic jam simply brought to mind the fact that I have never seen any planned expansions or configurations of the pick-up and drop-off components, or changes to the roadway approaches to the terminals. Surely this is an issue YVR is aware of.


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