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I also use to work in the EV. Nice area. But I can tell you, none of the plans for a development at the bus yard will move forward without: 1. A suitable alternative location for the uard, and 2. Someone else's money to pay for it (land and improvements). Please update me on this, if there is one. |
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Damn podium set backs. Why can't San Diego do like Vancouver, NY, HK, and a host of other coastal cities do? Build right to the water or road.
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Broadstone Maker's Quarter
Demo began today on Broadstone Maker's Quarter: The old Goodwill is kaput.
16th and Broadway http://cdn.sandiegouniontrib.com/img...8561935b88c24b |
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This project injects a new style of design into a very prominent place in the skyline, takes some cues from the deco of the County Admin Building, and gives San Diego the world-class waterfront it deserves. Though the materials used will absolutely make or break it, I have no other qualms. BUILD IT. :cheers: |
I too can appreciate the effort to match the architectural styles of all the buildings directly on the Embarcadero. It lends a 'civic' feel to it, which originates from the County Administration Center, of course.
1919 Pacific Highway (upcoming construction) was designed to match the style of the Admin building. I believe the re-do of the Old Police Headquarters was as well. Now with the Manchester Pacific Gateway on the line, it will fill in the gap, so to speak. 'Gateway' obviously matches the Manchester Hyatt, which I'm sure is no coincidence. Who knows, maybe the redevelopment of Seaport Village will break this trend, to match the background of the glass towers in the background. I'm actually really interested to see what the CCC and the Port of San Diego will approve for that parcel, due to be announced this year. |
Manchester "Gateway"
I'll give my take on the Manchester Plan, hopefully I won't be accused of being a NIMBY because I'm not drooling over it :) (I say that in jest, I do enjoy discussing development with everyone here even those I have had heated disagreements with).
First off, I wouldn't call them Machester's "towers" as I see in some posts; they don't really strike me as towers, but more as mid-rise office buildings. I don't think the project is hideous by any means, but I think they could have done way, way better for that iconic site. I do agree with the criticism of the large flag and the skybridge - both seem distracting. My guess is the flag is there because the west coast Navy HQ will be located there. The base of the flag seems really large and reminds me of a memorial, would have been nicer if the flag was scaled down and more of the area used for the base was dedicated to the public park. Maybe they will tweak it as it moves forward. As far as new buildings trying to retroactively take-on an art deco feel, is there any precedence of this on any major projects in other cities like NYC or LA? Usually projects try to add historical styles like this to restorations of existing structures like they did with the Old Police HQ (a project I like very much), but I've never heard of trying to do this with a building from scratch. In any case, it could, work I suppose, I just wish they had done a different color. The prolific brown here seems to be monotonous and make this project look very bland. Finally, looking at the renderings and descriptions of the project, it looks like the vision for these blocks is to construct an area of very high-end shopping with stores one would usually encounter on the Strip in Vegas, 5th avenue in NYC, or Rodeo Drive in LA. The video they have on the project's website has all these images of San Diego and the proposed site, then sprinkled in are shots of Rodeo Drive (the video doesn't say it's Rodeo Drive and implies it's in SD or part of this project, but anyone whose been to Rodeo Drive can recognize the shots). The description they give on the site: Manchester Pacific Gateway will become home to the highest-tier luxury retail brands, and a most-desired destination for local, national and international consumers. The San Diego region itself, with its rich and expanding international tourism, booming convention center, renowned weather and a community that’s eager for luxury shopping and dining, is primed to support the most coveted of retailers and restaurants. The design features accessibility and elegance, with open parks, cultural spaces and entertainment venues overlooking the most beautiful waterfront in the United States. The ambience is open, inviting and buzzing with excitement. It is destined to become a vibrant, dynamic luxury zone against the backdrop of the San Diego skyline and the beauty of the San Diego Bay. It's interesting they mention "international customers". I wonder if there is market research showing International Investment is poised to increase in downtown SD. The new Bosa tower will have condos well over $1 million, usually these types of high-end structures have a good percentage of international investors in Miami, NYC, etc. Maybe the "vision" is that this whole area along the harbor will be a very high end shopping/entertainment area? I wonder if we are ready to sustain this? I was in Chicago last weekend and was walking along Michigan Avenue, "The Magnificent Mile", and it's full of these very high end flagship stores (out of my price range!) like Gucci, Chanel, etc. as well as luxury hotels and condo buildings. It's a tourist mecca, I wonder if Manchester's vision is to create a scaled-down version of this in San Diego? http://www.manchesterpacificgateway....etail_img1.jpg |
The previous rendering was better
The previous Manchester renderings had cool filagree glass top adornments, they looked more art deco and classic, the new renderings look post mordent and cheap, IMO.
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@ SDCAL: Good points about the Manchester project. Though I would argue that there's a precedence for neo-traditional architecture in New York at least, see 220 Central Park South and 30 Park Place as examples. Even 111 West 57th Street could be seen as a contemporary take on early 20th Century architecture. But it all comes down to the materials, and I'm not convinced that they, or the colors like you mentioned, will look good.
On the subject of international investment, a Chinese firm just bought out the Hotel Del Coronado last week so there certainly is an interest growing here: Chinese insurer acquiring Hotel del Coronado as part of $6.5B deal San Diego Union-Tribune March 12, 2016 Link to Article Quote:
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The Del is but one of many many many hotels in this deal, and this doesn't say much of anything about interest in San Diego from foreign investment. |
There must be some people in the real estate and development industry actively courting Asian investment in SD. I'm frankly very surprised that Chula Vista never shopped their hundred place acres of blank slate on the bayfront that is approved for 300 foot towers. Also would be nice if Westfield would sell Horton Plaza to the Chinese and they could tear it down and do something like Brickell Center in Miami.
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https://goo.gl/maps/a9XfA56mwnR2 Sadly I feel it will end up looking more akin to this: https://goo.gl/maps/891GECYkB712 |
I seriously doubt it looks like either of those... :koko:
Based on the renderings I'd say it's closer to a more Art Deco version of this. https://cdn3.gbot.me/photos/io/PW/13...18-500x375.jpg I think it should look fine unless they build something that looks nothing like the renderings. |
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Interest high in new, 'iconic' Seaport Village
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