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Marshal Nov 10, 2016 10:50 AM

So:
nicer, more efficient airports - check
more airlines, flights and destinations - check
bigger planes - check

and, people wanting to go places and pay to fly there - check

All the growth is crazy over the last few years, and the factors facilitating it are obvious - except the last one: more passengers. The first three factors can obviously grow the passenger numbers, but not fully. I'll leave the visiting people out of it and ask, "Why are Canadians flying so much more?"

eemy Nov 10, 2016 12:12 PM

I suspect some of that growth is simply Air Canada capturing a larger share of the North American market.

ACT7 Nov 10, 2016 4:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie (Post 7618638)
YYZ has just announced its September figures....

YTD ending 30 Sept 2016:

YYZ up 7.7% to 33.9M
YVR up 9.2% to 17.0M
YUL up 6.8% to 12.8M
YYC up 1.4% to 11.9M

In Sept YYZ had just insane growth of 12.4%... Just edging YVR with 12.2% growth.

Amazing growth across the board for the big 3! YVR is having a stellar year, no question!

What's interesting to note is that in September alone, YYZ posted more international pax than YYC has seen all year up to now. I know it's been mentioned by other forumers as well, but that kind of underscores the fact that, any way you slice it, YYC is really more of a large focus city than a hub.

YUL hasn't provided a breakdown yet for September, but so far, YYZ is also growing by more volume than Canada's other 3 major airports combined. That's likely to remain true once we see the breakdown. With the exception of the domestic sector, it's the same story for transborder and international, YTD.

thenoflyzone Nov 10, 2016 4:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACT7 (Post 7618909)
Amazing growth across the board for the big 3! YVR is having a stellar year, no question!

What's interesting to note is that in September alone, YYZ posted more international pax than YYC has seen all year up to now. I know it's been mentioned by other forumers as well, but that kind of underscores the fact that, any way you slice it, YYC is really more of a large focus city than a hub.

Even AC often neglects to mention YYC as their 4th hub in their press releases. Instead, they only talk about their 3 main hubs.

The fact that the new international terminal at YYC lacks a Maple Leaf Lounge also tells me YYC isn't a real priority for AC on the international front.

jmt18325 Nov 10, 2016 4:33 PM

By my very rudimentary calculations, YWG is up about 6% to 3,046,388 at the end of September.

http://www.waa.ca/uploads/ck/files/2...nger_Stats.pdf

There's a possibility of getting to 4M at that.

thenoflyzone Nov 10, 2016 4:57 PM

Some increases for next summer by AC and Rouge...

YUL-CMN from 3 weekly to daily
YUL-LYS from 5 weekly to daily, plus upgauge to A333
YYZ-BUD from 3 to 5 weekly
YYZ-LIS from 6 weekly to daily
YYZ-MAN from 6 weekly to daily
YYZ-DEL from 4 weekly to 6 weekly

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...as-of-09nov16/

http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...as-of-09nov16/

jmt18325 Nov 10, 2016 4:58 PM

I thought DEL was already daily?

There is also the reduction of YYZ-LGW from 7 to 4 weekly. I'm actually surprised at that.

Bigtime Nov 10, 2016 5:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmt18325 (Post 7618969)
There is also the reduction of YYZ-LGW from 7 to 4 weekly. I'm actually surprised at that.

That is to allow Rouge to operate YVR-LGW 3x weekly.

jmt18325 Nov 10, 2016 5:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigtime (Post 7618972)
That is to allow Rouge to operate YVR-LGW 3x weekly.

Sure, but I'm surprised they did that.

G.S MTL Nov 10, 2016 5:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmt18325 (Post 7618969)
I thought DEL was already daily?

There is also the reduction of YYZ-LGW from 7 to 4 weekly. I'm actually surprised at that.

I'm not surprised ...there are tons of flights to London from YYZ ...

thenoflyzone Nov 10, 2016 5:47 PM

YUL-PVG is also showing B787-9 for the inaugural. The 787-8 resumes after that.

So AC's 8 B788's will be flying the following international routes as of Feb.

YUL-PVG
YYZ-ICN (4 weekly)
YYZ-LHR (2x daily)
YYZ-TLV (6 weekly)
YYZ-GRU
YYC-LHR

7 routes for 8 frames. 3 routes requiring more than a single frame to operate daily. Overall, pretty good utilization.

G.S MTL Nov 10, 2016 5:57 PM

KLM replacing A333 to A332 for YUL? ...I read somewhere that they will be using 777s for some North American cities ...this true ??

flipv Nov 10, 2016 5:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACT7 (Post 7618909)
Amazing growth across the board for the big 3! YVR is having a stellar year, no question!

What's interesting to note is that in September alone, YYZ posted more international pax than YYC has seen all year up to now. I know it's been mentioned by other forumers as well, but that kind of underscores the fact that, any way you slice it, YYC is really more of a large focus city than a hub.

YUL hasn't provided a breakdown yet for September, but so far, YYZ is also growing by more volume than Canada's other 3 major airports combined. That's likely to remain true once we see the breakdown. With the exception of the domestic sector, it's the same story for transborder and international, YTD.

We need a new pier.

thenoflyzone Nov 10, 2016 6:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmt18325 (Post 7618969)
I thought DEL was already daily?

It's daily in peak winter season, as of Dec, not summer.

jmt18325 Nov 10, 2016 6:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7619083)
It's daily in peak winter season, as of Dec, not summer.


Thanks

thenoflyzone Nov 10, 2016 6:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7619071)
KLM replacing A333 to A332 for YUL? ...I read somewhere that they will be using 777s for some North American cities ...this true ??

It will be a new high density config A332.

G.S MTL Nov 10, 2016 6:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7619088)
It will be a new high density config A332.

Oh. Ok good to know

VIce Nov 10, 2016 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7618930)
Even AC often neglects to mention YYC as their 4th hub in their press releases. Instead, they only talk about their 3 main hubs.

The fact that the new international terminal at YYC lacks a Maple Leaf Lounge also tells me YYC isn't a real priority for AC on the international front.

At least with respect to the lack of a MLL in the new International Terminal, there was some talk about this on the Calgary forums that seemed to suggest that YYC has been hostile to AC with respect to things like lounges, as opposed to AC just ignoring Calgary. I'd agree there's a power gap between YUL/YVR/YYZ and YYC, but for some things there's politics at play too.

Johnny Aussie Nov 11, 2016 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VIce (Post 7619509)
At least with respect to the lack of a MLL in the new International Terminal, there was some talk about this on the Calgary forums that seemed to suggest that YYC has been hostile to AC with respect to things like lounges, as opposed to AC just ignoring Calgary. I'd agree there's a power gap between YUL/YVR/YYZ and YYC, but for some things there's politics at play too.

It's an expensive exercise to have a lounge for only three flights a day. And without other Star Alliance flights it really doesn't make sense.
AC will be better off upgrading their YYZ, YUL and YVR facilities first.

casper Nov 11, 2016 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie (Post 7619557)
It's an expensive exercise to have a lounge for only three flights a day. And without other Star Alliance flights it really doesn't make sense.
AC will be better off upgrading their YYZ, YUL and YVR facilities first.

Better option is do what was done in Quebec city with some tie-in with the airport authority where it is a Maple Leaf Lounge/AMEX Lounge/WestJet Lounge.


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