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N830MH Sep 17, 2014 2:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinFromTexas (Post 6730001)
That's what I was thinking. They won't be able to start foundations until the site is fully excavated. Digging is notoriously time consuming.

Right, they have to be fully excavated and then they will start construction. They won't know for sure.

N830MH Sep 17, 2014 2:02 AM

Delete. double post.

Crawford Sep 17, 2014 2:46 AM

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Originally Posted by N830MH (Post 6732505)
Right, they have to be fully excavated and then they will start construction. They won't know for sure.

I'm not a mod, but my understanding of SSP rules for u/c are that foundation piles are drilled. This started with 225 W57 back in July, and has been ongoing.

The excavation isn't fully completed, but the foundation piles have started drilling, and for months now. If that doesn't meet the SSP standard, then fine, but then a number of towers should be removed from u/c status, because they too have foundation piles drilled but not completed excavation, and are listed as u/c. Kingdom Tower is a prominent example.

KevinFromTexas Sep 17, 2014 8:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Crawford (Post 6732554)
I'm not a mod, but my understanding of SSP rules for u/c are that foundation piles are drilled. This started with 225 W57 back in July, and has been ongoing.

The excavation isn't fully completed, but the foundation piles have started drilling, and for months now. If that doesn't meet the SSP standard, then fine, but then a number of towers should be removed from u/c status, because they too have foundation piles drilled but not completed excavation, and are listed as u/c. Kingdom Tower is a prominent example.

Technically drilling is just another form of digging. I'd say once the caissons go in, then they'll have actually started construction with something that will actually be part of the building. A hole in the ground isn't part of the building.

NYguy Sep 23, 2014 11:56 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/23/ny...mark.html?_r=0

A Tower Will Rise Next to, and Over, a Paint-Spattered Landmark


http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/...ster675-v3.jpg


SEPT. 22, 2014
By ARIEL KAMINER


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In a city built on unlikely juxtapositions, there may be no odder neighbors than the Art Students League, which occupies an ornate French Renaissance-style building at 215 West 57th Street, and the Nordstrom Tower, an ultramodern pillar, at least 1,500 feet tall, that will rise beside it.

Beside it, and above it, to be precise. Starting about 300 feet up, the eastern edge of the Nordstrom Tower will jut out 28 feet over the league’s 1892 home, which is a landmark, making this improbable piece of streetscape even more curious: the brash upstart reaching out to a fragile dowager for support.

Is the relationship a beneficial one? The answer, as they might say in one of the Art Students League’s drawing classes, is a matter of perspective.

Planned to be the tallest residential structure in the hemisphere, the tower belongs to a new class of buildings — most clustered in the area directly south of Central Park — so extravagantly vertical that a new term has been coined for them: not just tall but hypertall. Its top story will be higher than the top floor of 1 World Trade Center (but lower than its needle).

In 2005, the Extell Development Corporation paid the league $23.1 million for 136,000 square feet of air rights, part of the more than one million square feet it assembled from buildings in the area. Last year, the idea emerged to push the tower slightly off the edge of its pedestal; the shift allowed for a better floor plan for Nordstrom, the tower’s main retail tenant, and better views of the park for the tower’s residential tenants, as well as bigger and presumably more expensive apartments for them to live in.

For 6,000 additional square feet of air rights for the cantilever, Extell paid the league an additional $31.8 million. “They kind of got me back for the good deal I got years ago,” said Gary Barnett, Extell’s founder and president.



For 139 years, the Art Students League has opened its doors to all comers, from empty-nesters looking for a new hobby to celebrated painters, sculptors, printmakers and the like. The list of its most famous alumni reads like the index of an art history textbook, including Louise Bourgeois, Jackson Pollock, Georgia O’Keeffe and Ai Weiwei, an honoree at its coming gala. Most classes meet five times a week, for three and a half hours a day, and cost just $230 a month, which works out to about $3 an hour. More than 2,500 students are currently enrolled.



Designed by Henry Hardenburg, the architect of the Plaza and the Dakota, the league’s building is a time capsule. Classrooms look as they might have 50 or 100 years ago, with paint-spattered folding chairs that Lee Krasner might have sat on, arranged in a semicircle from which Norman Rockwell might have sketched a nude model.

Late-20th-century technology is not present, to say nothing of early 21st-century gadgets. As for phones, there are a couple of old wooden booths in the lobby, but they are used for storing human skeletons, a prop for anatomy studies.

It is all undeniably charming, but charm has its limits. “We need everything,” a teaching assistant told a visitor, unprompted. Not just equipment and supplies, she said. “Space. Air!”

For those who have pursued the deal with Extell, the giant next door represents a once-in-a-lifetime chance to multiply the league’s funds, to enrich its programs, to expand its classrooms, to renovate its home and to welcome more students than ever before.

“I want people to come in,” said Ira Goldberg, the league’s executive director, “and feel like it’s Jerusalem, walking into the past and feeling connected with history.”

But to a portion of the league’s members, the deal is a rip-off of skyscraping proportions. Last fall, a group that called themselves ASL Unite rallied opposition to the cantilever, arguing that the league’s leadership had fallen for a weak offer and unverified promises about the safety of the construction process, much of which would take place right over their heads.

“Do you really want to be under that?” asked Richard Caraballo, who has taken courses at the league since 2007. At One 57, another hypertall project by the same developer on another block of the same street, a crane came close to toppling over during Hurricane Sandy, snarling traffic and displacing neighbors.

In a members’ referendum last February, the majority of votes supported the sale, in part, Mr. Caraballo alleged, because the league had suppressed voter turnout. But the ensuing lawsuit went nowhere, and the deal went through.

Behind the discord is the implication that a powerful real estate player effortlessly outmaneuvered a dowdy old nonprofit. Mr. Barnett says the two organizations are not so different. “We share an ambition for great art and, in our case, great architecture, and we aspire to create beautiful buildings the same way their artists aspire to create beautiful objects,” he said.

In search of that beauty, the Extell construction workers have spent most of a year slamming heavy machinery into solid bedrock for the tower’s foundation. The hole is now about 80 feet deep at its deepest, and the drilling continues.


As Hardenburg’s building hides its elegant face behind scaffolds, art students have started to decorate the area in front of it. An Art Nouveau portrait, a bold geometric composition: “You want to get a sense of the league,” Mr. Goldberg said, “just walk down the street and see all these very different approaches to art-making.”

The building’s scaffolds will come down when the tower has gone up around it. “You know we’re an art school,” Mr. Goldberg said, enjoying the sight of the outdoor paintings. “Now, we’re a caged art school.”


http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/...ticleLarge.jpg

NYguy Sep 26, 2014 4:18 PM

Renders from www.cityrealty.com, posted in the Tower Verre thread...

Renders of the various towers along W. 57th...wish they would have included 1 Vanderbilt. There are no Hudson Yards towers in the renders.



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157562469/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157562470/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157562471/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157562472/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157562473/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157562474/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157562475/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157562476/original.jpg

Perklol Sep 26, 2014 4:20 PM

Thank you NYguy!! :cheers: :tup:

SkyscrapersOfNewYork Sep 26, 2014 4:38 PM

Imagine if 225's design was the Verre tower built up to this towers height?

njcco Sep 26, 2014 5:46 PM

Thanks, NYGuy! That is one exciting skyline. Cannot wait to see all of these beauties rise. Plus the new hotel where Rizzoli was and the one on East 60th Street, as well. A feast for the eyes!

King DenCity Sep 26, 2014 5:55 PM

Nordstrom seems a little too short in that render. But yes this will be a total shock to the eyes when all is finished and done.

NYguy Sep 27, 2014 1:36 AM

Heck, I wouldn't been happy with something like this...



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157583033/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157583034/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157583035/original.jpg



I'm sure they're working on putting the finest touches on this tower before final renderings are released. I hope it at least has a pretty "skin" to make up for what may be lost in the massing.

chris08876 Sep 27, 2014 1:56 AM

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Originally Posted by King DenCity (Post 6744937)
Nordstrom seems a little too short in that render. But yes this will be a total shock to the eyes when all is finished and done.

Its nuts that given the current height, it will give us a good idea of the dominance that the other supertalls will have. Sort of like a reference in terms of the skyline dominance for the other 1,350+ ft towers that will be going up soon.

Seeing how tall 432 Park Ave is and what a dominance it has on the surroundings, Nordstrom will shock us, and 1 Vanderbilt will be a nice addition. Even with the Midtown plateau, these towers will not become lost. Well, not yet.... this area seems to becoming supertall city.

King DenCity Sep 27, 2014 5:45 AM

Please... y not... I want ^^

NYguy Sep 30, 2014 9:38 PM

I never get sick of these, so some additional renderings taken from www.cityrealty.com



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157642964/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157642965/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157642966/original.jpg



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http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157642969/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157642970/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157642971/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157642972/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157642973/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/157642974/original.jpg

NYguy Oct 1, 2014 11:54 PM

Keeping an eye on this also...


http://therealdeal.com/issues_articl...nst-everybody/

Gary Barnett versus everybody

October 01, 2014
By Hiten Samtani


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...Barnett is, of course, building two mega skyscrapers on “Billionaires’ Row” on West 57th Street — the Christian de Portzamparc-designed One57 and the Nordstrom Tower at 225 West 57th Street, which is slated to be the tallest residential tower in the city. He’s also putting up a 68-story residential tower on the Lower East Side, and is angling to acquire a site that would let him develop a large condo on West 66th Street.

vandelay Oct 2, 2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6745548)


Now THAT is a tower I'd like to see on this site, not that boxy, black-striped abomination.

NYguy Oct 2, 2014 12:48 PM

^ Well, that's two of us.


http://www.businessweek.com/articles...-estate-master

Gary Barnett, Controversial Master of New York City Luxury Real Estate


http://images.bwbx.io/cms/2014-10-01...1__01__970.jpg


By Devin Leonard
October 02, 2014


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.....He’s plunging ahead with a plan for a second building on 57th Street whose spire could reach 1,775 feet, one foot shorter than One World Trade Center, and loom over One57 and its followers. “It’s basically like sticking an Empire State Building right at the bottom of Central Park,” says Warren St. John, a former New York Times writer who’s leading the opposition to the towers. “The shadow will extend over a mile north. It will stretch all the way across the park. That’s crazy.”

Onn Oct 2, 2014 2:06 PM

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Originally Posted by vandelay (Post 6752210)
Now THAT is a tower I'd like to see on this site, not that boxy, black-striped abomination.

Maybe that's Barnett's third arrow, his grand mega project. I agree, it looks like a great design and it clearly is not any of his current projects. Foreshadowing much? :D

And those renders of Nordstrom Tower are amazing! It achieves complete domination!

NYguy Oct 3, 2014 1:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Onn (Post 6752364)
Maybe that's Barnett's third arrow, his grand mega project. I agree, it looks like a great design and it clearly is not any of his current projects. Foreshadowing much? :D


That was one of his earlier designs.


Meanwhile, Nordstrom apparently wants to open another Manhattan store of similar size (250,000 sf) Downtown. Don't know where they're going to find that space. Maybe they could anchor a tower 5. Who knows...


http://ny.racked.com/archives/2014/1...n_nyc.php#more

Nordstrom Reportedly Looking for Downtown Location


October 2, 2014
by Laura Gurfein


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Clearly Nordstrom doesn't want to be left out of the Financial District luxury retail boom. Sources tell WWD that the Seattle-based retailer is allegedly looking to open a 250,000-square foot store downtown, joining Saks Fifth Avenue and the scores of high-end names headed to Brookfield Place and Westfield World Trade Center.

"Nordstrom has been interested in Lower Manhattan for quite some time," someone involved in real estate told the paper, but "the problem is finding the amount of square footage they need."

Indeed, at that size, there's no space at Brookfield or Westfield WTC (By comparison, the Saks store at Brookfield will be 85,000 square feet). Addresses reportedly in consideration include: an Art Deco skyscraper at 1 Wall Street, "away from where most of the luxury retailers are landing;" the former American Stock Exchange site at 78 Trinity Place; and 23 Wall Street, across from the New York Stock Exchange.

Another possibility? The waterside mall at Pier 17—WWD says that developer Howard Hughes has been talking to the department store about a Las Vegas project, and could be gunning for this location as well.

Then again, their future location might not even exist yet. "It could be a development site that hasn't come to fruition yet," said the source, "something that's not so obvious."

Regardless of where Nordstrom ends up, it's very likely a long way off. The West 57th Street store of a similar size, slated for 2018, will likely open before the potential downtown store.

Onn Oct 3, 2014 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NYguy (Post 6754171)
That was one of his earlier designs.

I would be kind of shocked if that was just earlier design. It's clearly far superior to the pretty good design he has going now, if true.


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