[Halifax] Battle of the Atlantic Place | -- | -- | Proposed
It appears the commemoration of the HMCS Sackville will be going ahead with or without the Queen's Landing proposal. And being a $90-100 Million project on the waterfront this is a major investment into downtown.
HMCS Sackville memorial project buoyed by $250,000 from Ottawa March 2, 2013 - 10:45pm BY PAUL MCLEOD OTTAWA BUREAU Quote:
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The original Queen's Landing proposal always seemed very complicated and difficult to implement. Maybe it makes more sense to do the pieces separately.
I think this is an interesting, unique project. |
2017 is gearing up to be Halifax's year to shine!
The HMCS Sackville preserved in the Battle of the Atlantic Place will be a national media highlight while celebrating Canada's 150th birthday. In the same year, Canada will also be commemorating 100 years since the Halifax Explosion. The Halifax Central Library will be complete. The Nova Centre will be up and running. King's Wharf will hopefully see completion by this time. Much more of the downtown will be developed. Surface parking lots will be a thing of scarcity! :tup: 2017 is going to be a big year for this city. |
That $250K will take them to great heights. Now they only have to fund-raise $99,750,000. Should be a piece of cake.
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Wow, Sackville St. (incl. Sackville Landing) continues to have significant development coming down the pipes.
I've said this before but $100 million is pretty ambitious! I wonder where they are with fundraising. I'm guessing they would want to start construction within a year or two to have it fully operational by 2017. I will be interested to see if the proposed designs will include some sort of interaction with the water, what with this being a ship memorial built directly over the harbour. |
The story indicated that the $250K was for the initial design phase: story link - http://thechronicleherald.ca/novasco...00-from-ottawa
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$90 million to $100 milliion? That's a lot of money to glorify a war that happened quite some time ago.
Wouldn't that pay for a reasonable stadium? |
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Or, it would pay for a significant contribution of transit upgrades. |
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I would consider this as an opportunity to remember the Canadian Navy and merchant seamen who made a strong contribution to winning a war that had to be fought to preserve democracy and freedom in Europe. That threat to democracy and freedom could have extended to North America if Hitler had enough time to build a nuclear bomb (they had already developed jets so they were ahead of the Allies in some areas of technology). In any case (as is the case with the Library), I don't think it should be an "either or" situation. Both are worthy projects. I think the stadium will the most difficult to achieve. |
This seems like more of a national project and some of the money will come from donors who would not be interested in funding a stadium.
It's not correct to look at public projects as a zero-sum game where the amount of total funding is fixed and can be diverted to arbitrary projects. The total amount of money available varies depending on what's proposed and some funds are available for certain types of projects but not others. This is part of the reason why it's good for the city to have different types of capital projects on the go at any given point in time. |
But in the end, it is a zero-sum game. There is only one taxpayer and taxpayers are the only source of public funds. Capital is by definition limited nd wasting it on things like this or oversized libraries means that there is less capital available for other things that most people would consider a higher priority.
The reality is that someone in the Sackville Landing organization is likely a political crony of MacKay or the Tory party who was owed a favor, hence the funding. There is certainly minimal demand from the public for this project. It strikes me as a very small group of very special interests. |
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From a local perspective there isn't a single taxpayer, there are local taxpayers and then there is the province and Ottawa. For years, Halifax received below-average spending. The result wasn't savings for Halifax taxpayers on, say, their federal income tax, it was increased spending in other parts of Canada. Here in Vancouver we have a huge amount of new infrastructure funded in part by the federal government. The total federal spending per capita on projects like the Canada Line, gateway road building, etc. is far beyond what you see for HRM (the town where a bus terminal is considered a huge deal). HRM also left a huge amount of federal and provincial Commonwealth Games funding on the table. |
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Seems to me no matter how much we spend on transit upgrades we will always need more. We do not have a stadium so lets spend on that and then we can get back to transit upgrades. |
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Halifax needs transit oriented development. It would do wonders for bringing density. I understand that people are hungry for a stadium. Perhaps the city can invest in a stadium and transit concurrently, although I don't see that as likely. At the very least, we need to be having a transit discussion. It is the most vitally needed for the city's growth. With more growth...comes an eventual stadium. |
I have no problem with money being spent on transit. However, it seems frequently when it is suggested that we spend on a stadium there are those who prefer the money be spent on transit. We already have transit and people are moving about the city. Maybe with billions of dollars they could move a little faster. We are a relatively small city and as we grow transit will happen. We do not have a stadium like many cities our size and maybe we should consider giving it a priority.
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Even though we lack the stadiums of Toronto, Halifax is unfortunately beginning to experience Toronto-style traffic congestion. Yes, Halifax has public transit, but it is absolutely pathetic and not at all adequate, even for our relatively small city. Hence, I would place investments in transit at a higher priority because transit has a much greater impact on a municipality's economic growth than a stadium does. A stadium will come at some point for Halifax -- maybe even quite soon? Upgraded transit, however, must come much sooner, if not concurrently. |
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From the Canadian Naval Memorial Trust's information page, funding is coming from all levels of government as well as corporate sponsors and private donors. http://canadasnavalmemorial.ca/wp-co...ct-Sheet-1.pdf So this has nothing to do with taking money away from potential transit or stadium projects. Anybody who thinks that this in a non-important project might just want to brush up on their Canadian history a little. The Second World War wasn't "just another war" such as one might read about in today's context, it was an aggressive attempt by Germany and its allies to conquer and change the world (eventually). We did not want the war, but we did have to defend our way of life, and many Canadians did that without hesitation, often giving theirs in the process. What if we had done nothing? Google "The Holocaust" and learn about the kind of actions that could have easily happened in Canada had the German military advancement been allowed to continue without resistance. Not trying to sound preachy, just trying to add a little perspective here. I applaud the project and think it will be a valuable addition to our waterfront. |
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