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mersar Jan 15, 2011 2:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by craner (Post 5126849)
It appears there is no connection between the existing terminal and the expansion. :(

There will be some form of indoor link, that render isn't up to date fully as it's also missing showing things such as the massive new parkade they built which is along part of the new terminal inside the arrivals/departures loop road (which the teal line that extends out to nowhere on the nw end of the new terminal may connect to.

Canadian74 Jan 15, 2011 5:02 PM

There is a link between the old and new buildings, in this picture it is shown at the bottom.

http://www.yyc.com/data//1/rec_imgs/...pg?refresh=723

jmt18325 Jan 15, 2011 6:28 PM

It will be really nice when Winnipeg's new terminal opens....in 2025 or so.

vid Jan 15, 2011 7:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by North of 49 (Post 5126806)
Winnipeg has competition when it comes to sunny destinations. Some Manitobans are choosing to travel to Grand Forks or Fargo to reach sunbelt destinations in the US at reduced cost. Somethings gotta give.....

People in Thunder Bay drive to Minneapolis. It's crazy. Especially since our airport is the least expensive in the National Airports System, you'd think it would be better able to compete with the US airports.

Airboy Jan 15, 2011 8:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vid (Post 5127235)
People in Thunder Bay drive to Minneapolis. It's crazy. Especially since our airport is the least expensive in the National Airports System, you'd think it would be better able to compete with the US airports.

Vancouver is starting to see people travel to Bellingham and Seattle.

jmt18325 Jan 15, 2011 10:12 PM

Yes, and someday Americans will actually have to pay for the services that they use...but not today, and so Canadians that are willing to drive benefit. I personally won't do it though, because I want to support business here.

vid Jan 15, 2011 10:34 PM

I won't do it because the gas prices actually make it more expensive but people don't realize that because the costs are all broken up and the numbers, individually, are smaller.

Plus, you can't get to Cuba from there.

SpongeG Jan 16, 2011 4:20 AM

from most places in suburbia in vancouver anyway its just as far to get to YVR as it is to bellingham so the gas costs don't matter

alaska airlines has just added flights to hawaii from bellingham aimed at Canadians

I flew to san fran from Bellingham in 2009 and it was $175 (US) all taxes and fees and about 3 upgrades included, parking was $45 for the 5 days
the same flight out of vancouver would have cost just under $600!!! same day and parking at the airport would have cost more

dsim249 Jan 16, 2011 4:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmt18325 (Post 5127399)
Yes, and someday Americans will actually have to pay for the services that they use...but not today, and so Canadians that are willing to drive benefit. I personally won't do it though, because I want to support business here.

I'd love to support business here. But I'm saving over $700 flying out of Billings, Montana to Phoenix in February for a wedding.

vid Jan 16, 2011 5:01 AM

Did you subtract the cost of getting to Billings, though?

dsim249 Jan 16, 2011 5:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vid (Post 5127727)
Did you subtract the cost of getting to Billings, though?

No I didn't. But I'm going with 3 other people. So I'd be surprised if I have to pay much over $60 for gas. Plus parking for a week. But I have no clue how much that will cost... I'll assume something similar or lesser than what SpongeG payed in Bellingham ($45). Split four ways.

Still saving a very substantial amount of cash. :tup:

Boreal Jan 16, 2011 7:35 AM

Gas is cheap. Extremely cheap actually. Even if you are driving a Dodge Challenger SRT8 you can still drive from Winnipeg to Minneapolis on two tanks of gas. 91 Octane at $1.13 per litre, you can drive there and back for $240. I've driven to Regina with the wind at my back on one tank of gas before in a DOHC V6 ~260hp, no drafting. Certainly a small hop across borders that people are talking about (Bellingham, Grand Forks, etc.) can be done extremely cheaply, even if you are the only person in the vehicle and stop for prime rib and champagne for lunch.

jmt18325 Jan 16, 2011 3:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsim249 (Post 5127720)
I'd love to support business here. But I'm saving over $700 flying out of Billings, Montana to Phoenix in February for a wedding.

Well it's not always that much though. You have to wait for sales, that's all. Last July, I went from Winnipeg to Quebec City to Ottawa to Winnipeg for $600. Right now I can do that from Winnipeg to Vancouver to Victoria to Winnipeg for next summer for the same price...and it isn't even on sale. Entry taxes into the US for flights make up a large portion too, but the fact that US airports basically don't have to pay for the land they use is the man reason. With all the governments near bankruptcy in the US, I don't expect all the cheap consumerism such as the example to be able to continue.

Mister F Jan 16, 2011 3:31 PM

There's a lot more to the cost of driving than just gas...

dsim249 Jan 16, 2011 4:25 PM

A lot more? Such as?

I live in Saskatchewan. I'm no stranger to long-ass road trips. :haha:

Airboy Jan 16, 2011 5:28 PM

I agree with mister F, the "uncost"' mainly the time taken to drive. I look at the time to drive to Calgary to get a better(direct) connection, weather conditions and do I really want to sit in the car another few hours after flying.

Bellingham is convenient for Vancouver but you still have to sit at the boarder.

The drive from Saskatoon to Billings is what 5 hours?

But I agree with everyone here the cost to fly in Canada is way to high and this coming from someone who flies the Arctic routes.

I recently got a flight to LHR for 597. after tax and assorted fees its 1100.

RTD Jan 16, 2011 6:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 5127982)
The drive from Saskatoon to Billings is what 5 hours?

More like 7.5-8 hours.

dsim249 Jan 16, 2011 6:11 PM

I realize it's not an ideal situation.

But I'm young, and I'm traveling with 3 friends who don't have a ton of disposable income.
And road trips are fun! It'll be an adventure. :)

If you were looking for flights in my situation, seeing that flights from Saskatoon to Phoenix (Feb 18th) are over $1000 and climb higher every day; then see that flights from Billings to PHX are $290, would you not do the same?

If I was older and had an abundance of disposable income, there is no way I would be driving the 8 hours (good job, RTD ;)) to Billings. But it is what it is. I am saving several hundred dollars, no matter how you slice it.

Canadian74 Jan 16, 2011 7:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsim249 (Post 5128012)
I realize it's not an ideal situation.

But I'm young, and I'm traveling with 3 friends who don't have a ton of disposable income.
And road trips are fun! It'll be an adventure. :)

If you were looking for flights in my situation, seeing that flights from Saskatoon to Phoenix (Feb 18th) are over $1000 and climb higher every day; then see that flights from Billings to PHX are $290, would you not do the same?

If I was older and had an abundance of disposable income, there is no way I would be driving the 8 hours (good job, RTD ;)) to Billings. But it is what it is. I am saving several hundred dollars, no matter how you slice it.

On that date lowest Y fares are sold out and you're looking at flexible Y fares. On other days the flight costs as less as $500 with taxes. Plus, you're only looking at one day, which doesn't mean anything. You aren't taking into account the time you will waste while driving and all other costs associated with it.

Obviously air travel will be more expensive in Canada, look at the market size of USA and Canada. It's basic economics.

You just have to shop around, look for daily deals on AC and WS, etc.

dsim249 Jan 16, 2011 8:34 PM

Uhh wow. I'll just PM you to avoid derailing this thread anymore than I have already.

SpongeG Jan 17, 2011 3:47 AM

well if it weren't for the border bellingham is practically a suburb of vancouver - the border waits aren't that bad most days - weekends more so but when we went to the airport it was a 5 minute wait no holdups
from where i live in coquitlam its the same distance to west vancouver-horseshoe bay as it is to bellis fair mall in bellingham

Mister F Jan 17, 2011 7:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsim249 (Post 5127948)
A lot more? Such as?

I live in Saskatchewan. I'm no stranger to long-ass road trips. :haha:

Maintenance. The more you drive the more you spend on oil changes, brake jobs, worn out parts, etc. To get the true cost of driving you can generally take the cost of gas and double it.

PoscStudent Jan 26, 2011 1:43 AM

1.3 million people travelled through St. John's International in 2010, up eight per cent from 2009. Hopefully this will help us get our new runway lights this year, the lights will mean that 99% of flights can land no matter what the weather.

http://www.thetelegram.com/Business/...in-St.-Johns/1

Coldrsx Jan 26, 2011 2:50 AM

That's ridiculous you don't have them.

PoscStudent Jan 26, 2011 2:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 5139526)
That's ridiculous you don't have them.

What?:shrug:

MalcolmTucker Jan 26, 2011 3:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoscStudent (Post 5139458)
1.3 million people travelled through St. John's International in 2010, up eight per cent from 2009. Hopefully this will help us get our new runway lights this year, the lights will mean that 99% of flights can land no matter what the weather.

http://www.thetelegram.com/Business/...in-St.-Johns/1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 5139526)
That's ridiculous you don't have them.

I'm guessing runway centreline lights no?

SpongeG Jan 26, 2011 4:52 AM

do they hire people to stand out there with flashlights or something?

jmt18325 Jan 26, 2011 5:39 AM

I don't think it's really about lights. Isn't it an automated landing system?

PoscStudent Jan 26, 2011 11:24 AM

They have lights but they're trying to get them upgraded.

Quote:

The installation of a CAT 3 ILS on our principal runway
will significantly improve the usability of our airport
during extreme fog conditions by lowering the minimum
operational requirements for an aircraft to takeoff and
land. The addition of this technology will increase our
airport usability to 98.9%, placing us on par with the top 8
airports in Canada. It also means that of those 1000 flights
and 100,000 passengers that are presently impacted by
low visibility conditions on an annual basis, 700 flights and
70,000 passengers will arrive and depart on time with the
use of this technology.
http://www.stjohnsairport.com/media_uploads/pdf/259.pdf

vid Jan 26, 2011 4:07 PM

It took a few months to get the ILS system at our airport up and running, it caused all sorts of problems. Then they expanded the runway a few months later, and we went through the whole thing again. :doh:

It seems to be running very smoothly now, though.

Bigtime Jan 26, 2011 4:09 PM

YYC will finally get a runway with centreline lighting when the new 34R/16L is built. I wonder if they will upgrade 34L/16R at some point?

NavCanada has indicated that 34L/16R will be getting a new ILS system in conjunction with the parallel runway going in.

http://www.navcanada.ca/DirectRoute/Story_6_en.html

SpongeG Jan 27, 2011 8:47 PM

New O.C.-Canada flights coming from WestJet

By GARY A. WARNER
Register Travel Editor

Quote:

New flights from Orange County to Vancouver and Calgary
WestJet announced Wednesday it will start flights between Orange County and Canada in the spring. Vancouver starts May 2, with Calgary starting June 13. It one of many airline service changes at John Wayne Airport, which recently losts its only non-stop flight to New York's main airport and had flights to Hawaii put on hiatus again.
http://www.ocregister.com/travel/ser...ort-wayne.html

Bigtime Jan 27, 2011 9:38 PM

Westjet did a proving flight down there a month or so ago, so this wasn't too surprising to us avgeeks. What was surprising was how quick they were to announce service from both YVR and YYC.

MalcolmTucker Jan 27, 2011 10:24 PM

^ They keep taking new deliveries, I guess they pretty much have to announce new service unless availability is failing much as airframes age.

Anyone been on one of their new interiors yet? The new monitors are wide screen it looks like - I have to wonder if touch screen as well?

Canadian74 Jan 28, 2011 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir.Humphrey.Appleby (Post 5142251)

Anyone been on one of their new interiors yet? The new monitors are wide screen it looks like - I have to wonder if touch screen as well?

http://www.canadiandriver.com/forum/...lk/ttiwwop.gif

MalcolmTucker Jan 28, 2011 12:28 AM

Old:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_MlcIJtVqC0...YM/s400/15.jpg
Source:http://airplane-pics.blogspot.com/20...r-picture.html

New:
http://www.airlinefan.com/photos/mem...wm_2094196.jpg
Source: http://www.airlinefan.com/airline-ph...oeing/737-700/

SpongeG Jan 28, 2011 2:54 AM

airport geeks might like this - its a site that um analyzes carpets in airports

http://www.carpetsforairports.com/

vid Jan 28, 2011 11:35 AM

That a site like that exists, while not surprising, is astounding nonetheless.

Bigtime Jan 28, 2011 2:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir.Humphrey.Appleby (Post 5142251)
Anyone been on one of their new interiors yet? The new monitors are wide screen it looks like - I have to wonder if touch screen as well?

I've been on one, the new bigger screens are nice. The controls are still on the armrests.

Bigtime Jan 28, 2011 2:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vid (Post 5142862)
That a site like that exists, while not surprising, is astounding nonetheless.

It's always fascinating to check out the "Trip Reports" section of airliners.net:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/

I love my planes and flying, but the level of detail most of those reports go into is just crazy. However quite a lot of them are flights in business or first class, so it is really cool to see how those sections compare to good ol'cattle class in the back.

Gresto Jan 28, 2011 2:17 PM

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Originally Posted by vid (Post 5142862)
That a site like that exists, while not surprising, is astounding nonetheless.

Not to be a grammar Nazi, but it can't be both "not surprising" and "astounding".

Bigtime Jan 29, 2011 2:27 PM

Article in The Herald today about the expansion project for YYC:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/to...437/story.html

PoscStudent Feb 2, 2011 8:23 PM

Quote:

St. John's International Airport Experiencing 'Unprecedented Growth'

The St. John's International Airport Authority is investing nearly $150 million into infrastructure over the next decade. The plan will focus on resolving many of the operational constraints that have emerged over the past ten years. Some highlights of the plan include an expansion of the terminal building, a new airport access road and upgrades to the airfield. Wednesday morning, the authority released its ten year vision for improvements.

Fraser Edison, Chair of the Board of Directors, says they have seen unprecedented growth in passenger traffic and aircraft movements in recent years. Looking ahead to 2011, Edison says they expect to handle 1.8 million passengers. He says that forecast warrants the expansion of their facilities.

...
http://vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&id=12348&latest=1

jmt18325 Feb 2, 2011 9:21 PM

Too bad our airport traffic in Winnipeg is actually shrinking.....

Canadian74 Feb 2, 2011 9:23 PM

YVR reported full 2010 passengers stats a couple of days ago.

2010 total: 16,779,709
2009 total: 16,179,312

Growth of only 3.7%, not too good.

It's no where near the 2008 high of of nearly 17.9 million. Most other major airports in Canada have at least matched their 2008 numbers while 1-2 might be posting an all time high.

Dirt_Devil Feb 2, 2011 10:09 PM

Quebec City (YQB) grew by 15% in 2010.

2009: 1 035 000
2010: 1 190 000

RTD Feb 2, 2011 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmt18325 (Post 5149750)
Too bad our airport traffic in Winnipeg is actually shrinking.....

This is because of all the people heading down to Grand Forks to take advantage of cheaper airfare. If it weren't for this, Winnipeg would have much higher passenger counts. And the "shrinkage" is of very minimal amounts anyways; it's more stable than anything else.

Same thing in happening with regards to Vancouver and Abbotsford's airports. This is the disadvantage of living close to the border. But like everything else, this trend won't last forever.

Airboy Feb 2, 2011 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoscStudent (Post 5149672)

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story...r-flights.html

St Johns is in the running for flights to Greenland.

AuxTown Feb 3, 2011 12:09 AM

Things are back on track in Ottawa after a slight dip in 2009 due to the recession. Numbers for the last 5 years:

2006-3,807,756
2007-4,088,528
2008-4,339,225
2009-4,232,831
2010-4,473,894

Moving ever closer to the elusive 5M mark that will move us from a small airport to a medium-size one.

Along with the parking structure expansion (almost complete), Ottawa will be renovating and expanding our international arrivals area. It's the one area I don't think they did a very good job with when they built the new terminal so it is a welcome change.

PoscStudent Feb 3, 2011 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 5149942)
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story...r-flights.html

St Johns is in the running for flights to Greenland.

Interesting I never heard anything about that.


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