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In fact, how many US cities have many connections to South America other than the big hubs? SFO, BOS, PHL are examples of very large US cities with no direct links to South America. Sure there are flights to Panama and San Salvador from SFO but that's it for Latin America. If SFO doesn't have one link to South America, being that much larger, that much closer and a huge hub for UA, why do we think YVR should have direct flights to South America? Even PHX being a large hub for AA has no direct links to South America and only seasonal flights to San Jose, CR. Since we are just that much further away makes it that much harder to make those flights work. I know I have said this so many times, South American connections to a small number of cities is plausible like LIM or SCL for example but honestly guys don't expect much. YVR is all about Asia first. I'm still impressed how much European service YVR has despite being the farthest away major city in Canada and compared to similar cities in the Pacific Northwest its still ahead of SEA and light years ahead of PDX. |
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Edmonton International Airport celebrates environmental certification
EDMONTON JOURNAL Edmonton International Airport has achieved environmental LEED Gold certifications for its South Terminal expansion — a first for an airport terminal in Canada — and for its new Central Tower. LEED — Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design — is a certification achieved through independent review of design, construction, operation and maintenance practices. It’s used by 150 countries. Airport officials marked the achievements with a ceremony Wednesday. “EIA has committed to being environmentally and socially responsible while meeting the Edmonton region’s growing need for air service,” Steve Rumley, EIA vice-president, infrastructure, said in a news release. http://edmontonjournal.com/business/...-certification |
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While a BMW is better than a Volkswagen, a person that owns only an M3 owns as many cars as a person who only owns a Jetta. |
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Edit: Ok looks like the 400D was a variant made for the Japanese market .. |
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Just checked schedules for Corsair to Paris (orly) from YUL it's not 6 weekly it's actually 7 ! I'll make changes to the list.
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they're called ''international airports'', for a reason.
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-YVR has 3 flights per week to Cuba. Per WEEK! -YVR doesn't fly anywhere in central america outside of Mexico... even YYC flies to Costa Rica. -Pindling Intl in the Bahamas is managed by YVR but there isn't even a flight there. And it's not just the lack of directs, one of the biggest problems is the connections. YYC has 6 flights per day to IAH, there are 2 from YVR. 0 Flights to Miami and only just this year started a 2 per week to Orlando. Sure there are a ton to LAX and SFO, but they are constantly full with business travel, leaving leisure little option. I was in Van for work right before the break and wanted to fly to Panama City, the connections were all so bad I ended up flying back to Toronto and booked my flight out of there. While I was searching I noticed it was cheaper and faster to fly from YVR to Singapore than to panama City. I'm not saying there is any appetite for these flights or that it is under served, just pointing out that the connectivity is horrible. YVR may be an embarrassment of riches for Asia-Pac or European flying but it's southern connectivity leaves a lot to be desired. |
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Don't forget the rest of Canada is in deep freeze for most of the winter... There is a penchant to escape. I know some of my family flees Alberta for as much of the winter as they can... Probably why there are more sun flights out of there... Not so much my BC family. |
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And ya I'd imagine it has everything to do with climate. I know growing up in Vancouver my family only went on a sun vacation once, and most families I knew were pretty similar. Compare that to Toronto where its nearly unthinkable to not go to Florida/Dominican/Cuba etc.. for a break from the cold. |
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This didn't get posted here, but a strange scene at YVR on Tuesday when a China Airlines 747 just arrived from Taipei managed to wander off the tarmac into the grass and got stuck. No idea what the pilots were thinking here:
http://www.news1130.com/wp-content/b...29-878x494.png http://www.news1130.com/wp-content/b...29-878x494.png http://i.imgur.com/pNJRvbJ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/pNJRvbJ.jpg |
Auto-pilot all the way to the terminal? :shrug:
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Excellent news. And the Irish and Americans are coming.
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/n...onal-1.3423717 |
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An airport that brings in foreigners is probably going to be a larger contributor to the economy than an airport that brings in travellers from inside the country. However, the statistics in this thread do not provide a sufficient amount of evidence to prove that is the case at YUL do they? It's a premature conclusion in an attempt to maintain the notion of superiority. That is why it is so commonly brought up in this thread even when the concept of economic importance isn't being discussed and the absolute numbers are provided simply to measure general activity. |
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More international routes, more economic possibilities, as simple as that. |
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Distance involved is another. 737s/A320s cannot fly from YVR to most of the Caribbean (east of Cuba) without taking a payload hit, meaning bigger equipment with more range will have to be used. Since the demand isn't that strong to begin with, the justification of sending a Rouge 763 or a TS A310 from YVR to places east of VRA or SNU simply isn't there. I know Sunwing has once weekly flights to MBJ and PUJ. YVR-PUJ is a whopping 5928 km! It's done non-stop, as per the schedules. That's the longest B738 flight in the world that I know of. The return has a stop in YHM. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...400Z/CYVR/MDPC Another reason... why fly all the way to the Caribbean, when Hawaii, Cabo, Puerto Vallarta, etc are right there ! This is also why HNL only has a handful of flights to the US east coast and none to Europe. If Europeans want to go to the beach, there are thousands of places to go that are cheaper and closer than HNL. |
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Who in their right mind in BC would be thinking about Cuba when you have Hawaii practically next door? YVR has a lot of important destinations (domestic, TB, Asia/Oceania, Europe) covered. If the worst thing that you can say about it is that you might need to make two stops en route to Uruguay or whatever, then that isn't much of an indictment. |
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Dont know if AC's E190s have the HGS. Probably not. I know Jetblue does, but they dont fly to YYT ;) All in all, the CAT III was needed at YYT. It was a good move ! |
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I know where I'd rather spend 10 days, and it's eating a cubano in a 200 year old building, not eating a fatburger in a stripmall. Quote:
Some intl flights are huge for business, and so are some domestic. Vice versa, some intl flights just siphon money away from the local economy, as do some domestic. It's really a flight by flight basis. |
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My point was referring more to important international destinations like Europe and Asia. |
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And I'm saying it's nowhere near as simple as that. International PAX as a statistic comes in all shapes and sizes. It's really too bad YUL doesn't break out their sun flying from their wide body international, because if they did I bet their international number would drop significantly. |
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Mass tourism and all inclusives are what fill planes headed down there. And the point is there are places that offer a better experience of that kind, and are much better situated in relation to Vancouver. |
Naturally. You just asked who would want to go to Cuba over Hawaii, and I think there are quite a few very rational people who would desire that experience.
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We were talking about separating out big economy flights. Sun flying is not that and a YVR-PEK or PVG most definitely is. If you're going to bring that up, I'd imagine YVR sees more of the widebody, big money international flights than YUL does. For all YULs big international numbers, so much of it is made up of narrow body sun flying. |
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My source is mainly comparing the list compiled by G.S with the list I keep.
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Looks to me like weekly intl widebody flights are as follows (I removed Aeromexico & AC to MEX and Wow Air to KEF): YVR: 258 YUL: 244 As you can see from the list, not only does YVR see more widebody intercontinental flights, the planes tend to be larger as well. |
The Cuba over the Hawaii thing? I used to go to Hawaii a lot when I lived in Canada. I loved the mix of rustic with a bit of the upmarket . I hadn't been in over 10 years and was just there in December 2014. I was so disappointed that Kuhio and Kalakaua have just been over run with the same high end stores as anywhere else. Has really lost its unique charm that I used to love. No desire to go back for awhile unless we head to one of the other Islands. I love the less popular places in SE Asia. But I also love the more popular places in SE Asia. Bali is another example that is slowly losing its appeal too. There are still a few decent areas that have a unique charm but with so many other options close by I know what I'd pick. I realise everybody has different tastes when it comes to sun destination holidays but that's just my two cents. Despite SE Asia being such a long way to travel from Canada I would still encourage it :) and it's cheaper for us to go there than most Aussie tropical places.
I agree I would like to see the breakdown of international passengers by region for all Canadian airports. I would also like to see it broken down further by Canadian originating pax and visitors. I have a feeling this data would paint a completely different picture when comparing international numbers. Another example, I know YEG is focusing on its large increase in International pax. But if you put a 14% increase in perspective that increase is coming off a really low base. Also a lot of that increase has been due to increased sun destination flights. European capacity has been a wash with AC/TS pulling out but offset by KL and FI coming in. And Westjet's entry is just replacing the last of AC's LHR capacity being axed. In fact capacity to Europe as it stands will be slightly lower this summer as KL and FI are status quo for 2016. Sunwing is also pulling back to four weekly again this summer too. |
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Factoring that in I would say YVR and YUL would be on par with each other for weekly flights with perhaps YVR tending to, on average, slightly more seats per aircraft. |
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Vancouver has Puerto Vallarta. In PV, I didn't (and wouldn't) stay in a resort. Vancouver isn't near the Caribbean, and it's not cold. It's as simple as that.
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