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esquire Jan 6, 2016 9:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Horus (Post 7290207)
NewLeaf is promoting one-way flights as low as $89, to fly between Kelowna, Regina, Saskatoon and Abbotsford. The company said it plans to operate two to three flights per week to each destination, using five Boeing 737-400s supplied by its Kelowna-based partner, Flair Airlines. Each plane can carry about 150 passengers

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/g...l/wooooooo.jpg

:haha:

I LOLed

LeftCoaster Jan 6, 2016 9:53 PM

Haha ya that got me too. Didn't even click until it was pointed out.

jmt18325 Jan 6, 2016 9:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigtime (Post 7290039)
...and guess what happens if one of those planes goes mechanical?

The company their contracting has more than two planes. New Leaf will only be using 2 at a time.

Klazu Jan 7, 2016 12:33 AM

What impresses me is that their prices actually include all taxes and fees.

http://flynewleaf.ca/site/assets/fil...a-schedule.png

TorontoDrew Jan 7, 2016 12:49 AM

It's a start and I wish them well.

jmt18325 Jan 7, 2016 1:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Klazu (Post 7290444)
What impresses me is that their prices actually include all taxes and fees.

Everyone's prices are all in now. It's the law.

jmt18325 Jan 7, 2016 1:21 AM

My question is this - what are the real fares?

Klazu Jan 7, 2016 2:35 AM

Well, it talks about "introductory prices", so those prices might change in the future. However the prices are not indicated to be "from $xxx" so they should be those for those routes (at least for now).

thenoflyzone Jan 7, 2016 2:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jthetzel (Post 7290130)
With the CAT III landing system at YYT, I would expect the flight to be significantly more reliable.

During the summer yes, when operated by mainline United, because the Airbus/Boeing planes can actually do CAT III approaches. But United Express ( in this case Shuttle America i believe) and their E170s are not CAT III certified. In fact, they are not even CAT II certified, apparently.

Several American regionals aren't CAT II capable due to training and equipment costs involved. Competition for regional contracts is based almost solely on who has the lowest operating cost. So you see why a lot of regionals don't bother equiping their planes or training their crew to CATII/III standards. Often times weather conditions throughout their network doesn't warrant it also.

So during the winter schedule, the CAT III wouldn't bring any benefits to United's operations at YYT, because they send a UAX E170.

lubicon Jan 7, 2016 7:31 PM

[QUOTE=Klazu;7290444]What impresses me is that their prices actually include all taxes and fees.

QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by jmt18325 (Post 7290503)
Everyone's prices are all in now. It's the law.

Unfortunately that is true. It was much better before when prices did not include taxes and fees - it gave you a much better picture of how much you were getting bent over by the government, airports, etc.

Riise Jan 7, 2016 8:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 7291356)
Unfortunately that is true. It was much better before when prices did not include taxes and fees - it gave you a much better picture of how much you were getting bent over by the government, airports, etc.

I think most people are interested in what they will have to pay at the point of sale and would rather be provided with that information. The various fees and taxes are details and could be sought after in a detailed invoice.

DrNest Jan 8, 2016 2:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Riise (Post 7291429)
I think most people are interested in what they will have to pay at the point of sale and would rather be provided with that information. The various fees and taxes are details and could be sought after in a detailed invoice.

I totally agree. I want to know the price I am going to pay. I can look through the taxes on the receipt if I need to know how much is going to the government.

casper Jan 8, 2016 2:27 AM

[QUOTE=lubicon;7291356]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Klazu (Post 7290444)
What impresses me is that their prices actually include all taxes and fees.

QUOTE]



Unfortunately that is true. It was much better before when prices did not include taxes and fees - it gave you a much better picture of how much you were getting bent over by the government, airports, etc.

I think the problem with the old system was many of the taxes were not taxes. fuel charges are not taxes. Airport fees are not taxes.

DrNest Jan 9, 2016 4:25 AM

The refugee flights are bringing more rarely seen foreign tails into CYYZ. We had a Royal Jordanian A332 and a Hi Fly A333 come in today.

craneSpotter Jan 9, 2016 4:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7289731)
Hopefully they'll expand in the future. I feel like secondary markets such as YQB and YQM are being left out...

The new 'Director of Airport Services' for Newleaf will be responsible for managing outstations in Ottawa (YOW), Victoria (YYJ) and US destinations - in addition to Regina/Saskatoon.

https://www.clearslide.com/view/mail...5S4JWTTCZN7TW8

So I guess if bookings are strong this winter/spring, next round of expansion should be YOW and YYJ with possibly a US destination or two from YWG, YHM and/or YLW (as those appear to be their 'hubs').

I can see YYJ-YWG.

SkydivePilot Jan 9, 2016 7:45 PM

I hope NewLeaf does well; however, it would still take a lot on their part to stop the transborder bleeding though. U.S. airports don't have nearly as many extra surcharges that Canadian airports have. Vancouver, Calgary, Regina, Winnipeg, Winsor, London, Hamilton, Toronto, Montreal are particularly affected. We'll see. :)

jmt18325 Jan 10, 2016 2:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SkydivePilot (Post 7293720)
I hope NewLeaf does well; however, it would still take a lot on their part to stop the transborder bleeding though.

The dollar is doing that quite nicely on its own.

nname Jan 10, 2016 2:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SkydivePilot (Post 7293720)
U.S. airports don't have nearly as many extra surcharges that Canadian airports have.

Really? You probably never look at the fare detail very closely then.

This is the fare breakdown for an one-way YVR-LAX trip with AC:

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2edxpp3.jpg

So in short, what each party gets:

$57.00 Air Canada
$20.00 Vancouver Airport
$16.56 Canadian Government
$48.31 US Government

The US government charge almost as much as Air Canada that actually does all the work to take you there! I always wonder who actually makes more profit for the trip - the airline, airport, or the government... So the reason why trans-boarder flights are so expensive is that we have to pay tax to both governments AND the fact that the US government charge us more.

Do you know, if you are a US resident and book the exact same flight from the same airline and same website, the flight will come out to be about $16 cheaper because US government only tax them $32.50 instead of $48?

Yeah, so much about the lie that travel to US is so expensive from Canada because the Canadian government tax too much....

eemy Jan 10, 2016 3:26 AM

What are the fees on the reverse flight, though? I imagine that a lot of those US gov't fees only apply when entering the country and that there would be equivalent fees for Canada customs and immigration.

nname Jan 10, 2016 5:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremy_haak (Post 7294077)
What are the fees on the reverse flight, though? I imagine that a lot of those US gov't fees only apply when entering the country and that there would be equivalent fees for Canada customs and immigration.

One-way trip LAX-YVR as a Canadian resident:

http://oi66.tinypic.com/rwtape.jpg

$80.00 Air Canada
$6.35 Los Angeles Airport
$33.00 US Government

Again, if the flight is booked for a US resident, they pay $13 to the government instead of $33. Canadian side did not even take a penny from it.

jmt18325 Jan 10, 2016 5:51 AM

The problem on the Canadian side are the built in costs to airports in terms of federal rent. If that were to disappear, I wouldn't have a complaint.

SkydivePilot Jan 10, 2016 2:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 7294047)
Really? You probably never look at the fare detail very closely then.

This is the fare breakdown for an one-way YVR-LAX trip with AC:

http://oi67.tinypic.com/2edxpp3.jpg

So in short, what each party gets:

$57.00 Air Canada
$20.00 Vancouver Airport
$16.56 Canadian Government
$48.31 US Government

The US government charge almost as much as Air Canada that actually does all the work to take you there! I always wonder who actually makes more profit for the trip - the airline, airport, or the government... So the reason why trans-boarder flights are so expensive is that we have to pay tax to both governments AND the fact that the US government charge us more.

Do you know, if you are a US resident and book the exact same flight from the same airline and same website, the flight will come out to be about $16 cheaper because US government only tax them $32.50 instead of $48?

Yeah, so much about the lie that travel to US is so expensive from Canada because the Canadian government tax too much....

Well, in recent years, Bellingham, WA has been quite busy for a number of years serving the Lower Mainland. Besides that, unlike Vancouver, Regina has shit all these days to U.S. destinations (with higher fares) and has significant passenger bleeding to Minot ND. (Allegiant)

Denscity Jan 10, 2016 3:09 PM

Bellinghams airport has been tanking lately for pax.

jmt18325 Jan 10, 2016 5:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SkydivePilot (Post 7294301)
Well, in recent years, Bellingham, WA has been quite busy for a number of years serving the Lower Mainland.

If you don't fly in, you don't pay a lot of those taxes.

Coldrsx Jan 13, 2016 2:19 PM

Bombardier’s C Series jet an ‘orphan,’ Airbus says

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle28133795/

thenoflyzone Jan 13, 2016 4:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 7297541)
Bombardier’s C Series jet an ‘orphan,’ Airbus says

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle28133795/

Bunch of bull...After all, it's not like Leahy is going to praise the CSeries at their annual press conference.

"His description of the C Series as an “orphan,” he said, referred to its small-family status; so far, it will come in only two versions – the CS100 and the larger CS300 – that will seat about 100 to 150 passengers. “It’s a one-off, it’s not a real family,” he said. “With Boeing or Airbus, you get different variants. You get the Airbus 318, 319, 320, 321 and you get a product support network around the world."


yeah, because the A318 and A319neo are selling like hot cakes....As far as I am concerned, the A318 is and always was dead, and so is the A319, with only 50 orders for the A319neo. Wouldn't be surprised if they cancel the A319neo and convert all the orders to the A320neo.

The CSeries has 2 variants, and as far as I'm concerned, so does the A320 !

Furthermore, the fact that Airbus and Bombardier met to discuss a potential (full or partial) buy-out of the CSeries clearly demonstrates the threat the CSeries represents to Airbus. There is no denying that fact.

Bigtime Jan 13, 2016 4:55 PM

I'm really hoping since the CSeries is truly a new plane (versus the 737MAX and A320NEO) it will deliver some impressive performance numbers when it enters service and that leads to more orders from other operators.

Oh and LOL at Leahy even mentioning the A318, even Boeing smartened up and ditched the 736.

casper Jan 13, 2016 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7297682)
Bunch of bull...After all, it's not like Leahy is going to praise the CSeries at their annual press conference.

"His description of the C Series as an “orphan,” he said, referred to its small-family status; so far, it will come in only two versions – the CS100 and the larger CS300 – that will seat about 100 to 150 passengers. “It’s a one-off, it’s not a real family,” he said. “With Boeing or Airbus, you get different variants. You get the Airbus 318, 319, 320, 321 and you get a product support network around the world."


yeah, because the A318 and A319neo are selling like hot cakes....As far as I am concerned, the A318 is and always was dead, and so is the A319, with only 50 orders for the A319neo. Wouldn't be surprised if they cancel the A319neo and convert all the orders to the A320neo.

The CSeries has 2 variants, and as far as I'm concerned, so does the A320 !

Furthermore, the fact that Airbus and Bombardier met to discuss a potential (full or partial) buy-out of the CSeries clearly demonstrates the threat the CSeries represents to Airbus. There is no denying that fact.

The new 737 family coming out has two models that airlines buy. The new 700 is not selling. The 600 is not even being contemplated going forward.

On the Airbus side, it is the same thing the 320 and 321 are ones airlines are buying. The smaller jets can be offered but it airlines are not interested what is the point.

So basically CSeries, Boeing and Airbus has families with only two effective models.

casper Jan 13, 2016 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SkydivePilot (Post 7294301)
Well, in recent years, Bellingham, WA has been quite busy for a number of years serving the Lower Mainland. Besides that, unlike Vancouver, Regina has shit all these days to U.S. destinations (with higher fares) and has significant passenger bleeding to Minot ND. (Allegiant)

Only one major airline (Alaska) serves the airport. Mostly connections to Seattle (their hub) and flights to Hawaii or Las Vegas. Destinations that have the rock bottom pricing out of YVR.

Klazu Jan 13, 2016 11:52 PM

Is someone seriously still finding it cheaper to fly out of US airports with CAD at 0.69 USD? Must be quite a deal to justify the trip down there...

thenoflyzone Jan 14, 2016 2:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Klazu (Post 7298251)
Is someone seriously still finding it cheaper to fly out of US airports with CAD at 0.69 USD? Must be quite a deal to justify the trip down there...

If you want to sacrifice comfort and flight times, yes.

Spirit has PBG-FLL return for as little as CAD 98$ tax in.

http://www.yuldeals.com/plattsburgh-...ncluding-taxes

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 7298180)
The new 737 family coming out has two models that airlines buy. The new 700 is not selling. The 600 is not even being contemplated going forward.

On the Airbus side, it is the same thing the 320 and 321 are ones airlines are buying. The smaller jets can be offered but it airlines are not interested what is the point.

So basically CSeries, Boeing and Airbus has families with only two effective models.

Exactly !

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Originally Posted by Bigtime (Post 7297715)
I'm really hoping since the CSeries is truly a new plane (versus the 737MAX and A320NEO) it will deliver some impressive performance numbers when it enters service and that leads to more orders from other operators.

Oh and LOL at Leahy even mentioning the A318, even Boeing smartened up and ditched the 736.

Don't need to hope. It's a fact. The plane has exceeded expectations during testing. That will surely be emulated by the airlines during their operations.

http://ca.reuters.com/article/busine...0OU0EE20150614

GreaterMontréal Jan 14, 2016 2:21 AM

The C Series is the first 100% new single-aisle aircraft in 30 years.

thenoflyzone Jan 14, 2016 4:10 PM

Royal Air Maroc will fly twice daily to YUL from July 2 to September 10, with a mix of B744, B788 and B763. Second flight will arrive at 07h15 and leave at 08h45 in the morning.

Along with Rouge starting the route on June 3, that will mean 3 daily flights on YUL-CMN four days out of the week.

Source in french only:

http://www.air-journal.fr/2016-01-14...e-5156520.html

Klazu Jan 14, 2016 7:00 PM

3x daily is a lot. What is this traffic mostly? Business? Leisure? Family?

lubicon Jan 14, 2016 8:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GreaterMontréal (Post 7298444)
The C Series is the first 100% new single-aisle aircraft in 30 years.

Seems to me that would be the Sukhoi Superjet 100? The C Series is close behind and the Mitsubishi Regional Jet should be rolled out in the next year or so. So three aircraft (plus whatever Embraer has for their next Gen aircraft) competing for a market that Boeing and Airbus say doesn't really exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100

lubicon Jan 14, 2016 8:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Klazu (Post 7299306)
3 daily is a lot. What is this traffic mostly? Business? Leisure? Family?

3x daily technically but not really. More like 12x weekly it just so happens that the flights are on the same day.

GreaterMontréal Jan 14, 2016 9:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 7299454)
Seems to me that would be the Sukhoi Superjet 100? The C Series is close behind and the Mitsubishi Regional Jet should be rolled out in the next year or so. So three aircraft (plus whatever Embraer has for their next Gen aircraft) competing for a market that Boeing and Airbus say doesn't really exist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Superjet_100

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The C Series is 100% new, from nose to tail, optimized for the 100- to 150-seat market segment.
http://www.bombardier.com/en/aerospa...-aircraft.html

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Tests Confirm Bombardier C Series Aircraft is Quietest Commercial Jet in its Class
Quote:

The aircraft are delivering more than a 20 per cent fuel burn advantage compared to in-production aircraft, and a greater than 10 per cent advantage compared to re-engined aircraft.
http://www.bombardier.com/en/media/n...ardiercom.html



The Superjet-100 should be available in several versions depending on the length of the fuselage for a passenger capacity ranging from 75 to 95 passengers.

GreaterMontréal Jan 14, 2016 9:46 PM

the CS500 is in the cards, 160-180 seats.

eemy Jan 15, 2016 2:14 AM

I thought the E-Jet family from Embraer was an all-new design as well. Wikipedia says that it was originally supposed to be slightly derivative from the ERJ-145, but that they scrapped that plan for an all-new design.

thenoflyzone Jan 15, 2016 3:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Klazu (Post 7299306)
3x daily is a lot. What is this traffic mostly? Business? Leisure? Family?

Mostly VFR. Visiting friends and relatives. Some tourism as well, especially in summer, justifying the second flight.

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Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 7299458)
3x daily technically but not really. More like 12x weekly it just so happens that the flights are on the same day.

More like 18 weekly. 14 weekly by Royal Air Maroc, 4 weekly by Rouge.

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Originally Posted by lubicon (Post 7299454)
Seems to me that would be the Sukhoi Superjet 100? The C Series is close behind and the Mitsubishi Regional Jet should be rolled out in the next year or so.

The CSeries doesn't compete with the Sukhoi Superjet 100 or the Mitsubishi RJ, both of which carry less than 100 passengers. The largest variant of the Sukhoi has a 1 class dense config option of 108 seats, but that is it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombard...eries#See_also

The Sukhoi Superjet 130 is a planned stretch of the Superjet 100, and scheduled to roll out in 2020. That plane will compete with the CSeries.

nname Jan 15, 2016 4:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ACT7 (Post 7286913)
Tweet from Airliner Route that China Southern has applied to CAAC for daily Guangzhou - Toronto on 77W from July 2016.

CZ311 CAN 1430 - 1725 YYZ 77W x246
CZ312 YYZ 0130 - 0530+1 CAN 77W x357

* Effective Aug 2016, Tentative schedule awaiting approval

casper Jan 15, 2016 6:30 AM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 7300062)
CZ311 CAN 1430 - 1725 YYZ 77W x246
CZ312 YYZ 0130 - 0530+1 CAN 77W x357

* Effective Aug 2016, Tentative schedule awaiting approval

1:30 AM departure. There can't be many (if any) other flights leaving at that time. I thought YYZ had some controls limiting late night departures. More appropriate time for a YVR Asia departure.

yyzer Jan 15, 2016 2:42 PM

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Originally Posted by casper (Post 7300129)
1:30 AM departure. There can't be many (if any) other flights leaving at that time. I thought YYZ had some controls limiting late night departures. More appropriate time for a YVR Asia departure.

Pearson quietly relaxed the nighttime curfew, without any press release, a few years ago... there are now regular flights which arrive and depart after midnight...... :)

thenoflyzone Jan 15, 2016 8:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nname (Post 7300062)
CZ311 CAN 1430 - 1725 YYZ 77W x246
CZ312 YYZ 0130 - 0530+1 CAN 77W x357

* Effective Aug 2016, Tentative schedule awaiting approval

So 4 weekly, not 7.

Daily service right off the bat was wishful thinking anyways.

thenoflyzone Jan 16, 2016 4:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 7300129)
1:30 AM departure. There can't be many (if any) other flights leaving at that time. I thought YYZ had some controls limiting late night departures. More appropriate time for a YVR Asia departure.

CX and BR leave at 0120 AM. All timed for connections in Asia.

flipv Jan 18, 2016 3:00 PM

Rumours of IB and TP to YYZ sometime this year (I'd bet on IB though, TP seems like wishful thinking). In addition to SN, CZ, WW - shaping up to be an interesting year.

In my wishlist, I'd like to see LX and NH.

SignalHillHiker Jan 18, 2016 7:35 PM

National Airlines new St. John's-Orlando direct flight has launched. Airline will also offer flights from Vancouver, Windsor, Las Vegas, and San Juan.

Given the Canadian airports they chose, I hope they realize we're not some eastern hub and that it's not easy or affordable for everyone closer to us than Windsor to connect through here.

go_leafs_go02 Jan 18, 2016 8:47 PM

https://twitter.com/KatieSimpsonCTV/...82945794457600

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#BREAKING Proposed discount airline, NewLeaf Travel is refunding sales, postponing further sales, as their aviation license is reviewed

flipv Jan 18, 2016 8:51 PM

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Originally Posted by go_leafs_go02 (Post 7303690)

That was quick.

VIce Jan 18, 2016 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 7297541)
Bombardier’s C Series jet an ‘orphan,’ Airbus says

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repor...ticle28133795/

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