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LeftCoaster Dec 30, 2015 7:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casper (Post 7278739)
I am finding interesting about all of this is YVR is growing across airline and alliance boundaries. The Air Canada increases (combined with their joint venture partners) is really good. However it is not just Star Alliance, there are Skyteam and Oneworld members adding flights to new destinations, including secondary cities in China.

It really does defy expectations. Star alliance still dominates the airport, but from an international standpoint represents less than half the weekly flights. Makes for great tail spotting that's for sure.

I'm not sure if it helps or hinders YVRs competitiveness though. On one hand it makes the airport attractive to all alliances, but on the other it reduces the hubbing effect that a fortress can provide.

craneSpotter Dec 30, 2015 9:47 PM

YVR November 2015 stats

1,430,310 +5.7%

Domestic: 761,227 +3.5%
International: 318,705 +9.7%
US: 350,378 +7.0%

YTD 18,636,791 +4.9%


Decent month.

thenoflyzone Dec 31, 2015 4:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7283271)
YUL November 2015 stats

International: 330,124 +3.3%

Quote:

Originally Posted by craneSpotter (Post 7284121)
YVR November 2015 stats


International: 318,705 +9.7%

YVR has a nice international increase, but YUL still has a larger intl passenger count....;)

And in winter, a good chunk of that international capacity at YUL happens on narrowbody (A320/B737) to sun destinations. Which is why the international jetty extension is so desperately needed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7283976)
It really does defy expectations..

Not really.

YVR's growth has been below average for the better part of the last decade, enabling YUL and YYC to catch up ! Only these last 2 years have we seen an above average growth rate at YVR. Even the Olympics back in 2010 had nil effect on passenger count. As far as I'm concerned, YVR should have pierced 20 million at least 5 years ago.

Glad to see they are finally catching up. Let's see if YVR will be able to keep up the pace, the same way YYC and YUL did these last 10 years or so.

G.S MTL Dec 31, 2015 6:20 AM

YUL will most likely surpass YVR ...what year? Who knows. 2025? 2030?

cyeg66 Dec 31, 2015 6:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7284492)
YUL will most likely surpass YVR ...what year? Who knows. 2025? 2030?

Step away from the liquor cabinet....:cheers:

G.S MTL Dec 31, 2015 6:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyeg66 (Post 7284495)
Step away from the liquor cabinet....:cheers:


Lolllll

SignalHillHiker Dec 31, 2015 1:32 PM

United Airlines ending Newark-St. John's service

Quote:

St. John's International Airport will be losing it's direct service to and from Newark New Jersey's Liberty International with United Airlines, The Telegram has confirmed.

The airline will have a final flight from Newark to St. John's on Feb. 1.

The last flight from St. John's to Newark is scheduled for Feb. 2.
http://www.thetelegram.com/Business/...ohns-service/1

Just the other day I overheard my parents and their neighbours talking about how awful Newark was but how useful it was not to have to go to TO to get to NYC (it's half the flying time, apparently).

LeftCoaster Dec 31, 2015 1:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7284431)
Not really.

YVR's growth has been below average for the better part of the last decade, enabling YUL and YYC to catch up ! Only these last 2 years have we seen an above average growth rate at YVR. Even the Olympics back in 2010 had nil effect on passenger count. As far as I'm concerned, YVR should have pierced 20 million at least 5 years ago.

Glad to see they are finally catching up. Let's see if YVR will be able to keep up the pace, the same way YYC and YUL did these last 10 years or so.

I think there's a bit of confusion here. What I was saying defies expectations is not the growth in PAX at YVR, but the cross alliance growth Casper was talking about. EVen with AC really boosting its presence at the airport a huge amount of the growth has come from all 3 alliances plus unaligned airlines. Like I said less than half the international flghts per week are star alliance, with significantly less being AC. IN fact only 28% of intl flights out of YVR are with AC, which I would guess is significantly lower than YYZ or YUL.

I wholeheartedly agree that YVR is simply now catching up to where it should have been years ago. Considering the airport had 15 million passengers in 1997, the fact that it just now crossed 20 million is shocking. That implies a compound annual growth of 1.69%, truly dismal. Even at 2.5% growth (inflation) YVR should be over 23 million today considering its place in the late 90s. Even with the strong growth seen lately, I honestly expect more, 25 million by 2020, as the airport anticipates, is a bare minimum, not great growth as is sometimes stated.

begratto Dec 31, 2015 1:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 7284569)
United Airlines ending Newark-St. John's service



http://www.thetelegram.com/Business/...ohns-service/1

Just the other day I overheard my parents and their neighbours talking about how awful Newark was but how useful it was not to have to go to TO to get to NYC (it's half the flying time, apparently).

Wouldn't it make more sense to go through Montreal or Halifax instead of going all the way to Toronto and backtracking to NYC?

thenoflyzone Dec 31, 2015 4:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7284574)
IN fact only 28% of intl flights out of YVR are with AC, which I would guess is significantly lower than YYZ or YUL.

I dont know. A lot of foreign tails at all 3 airports. It might be more (especially at YYZ), but not significantly, at least not at YUL.

Purely guessing here, but I'd say YYZ is in the high 30s, maybe low 40s. YUL would be in the low to mid 30s.

Quote:

Originally Posted by begratto (Post 7284575)
Wouldn't it make more sense to go through Montreal or Halifax instead of going all the way to Toronto and backtracking to NYC?

It might be cheaper through YYZ, and so most people probably bite the bullet and fly the long way around.

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7284492)
YUL will most likely surpass YVR ...what year? Who knows. 2025? 2030?

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyeg66 (Post 7284495)
Step away from the liquor cabinet....:cheers:

With remarks like that, he most likely has a wine cellar in the basement, not just a liquor cabinet ! Still, all in good fun. A bit of booze always lightens the mood !

Quote:

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 7284569)
United Airlines ending Newark-St. John's service



http://www.thetelegram.com/Business/...ohns-service/1

Just the other day I overheard my parents and their neighbours talking about how awful Newark was but how useful it was not to have to go to TO to get to NYC (it's half the flying time, apparently).

Not surprising.

Low oil prices. Plus a single daily flight, which was inconvenient because it was cancelled regularly due to weather and the fear of flight crew timing out if they had to return to Newark.

SignalHillHiker Dec 31, 2015 10:50 PM

:previous:

Yeah, I heard exactly that today - that the route was infamous for delays/cancellations. Still usually sold out, though, apparently. And we have the new runway system in the works (should be fully operational next year) that'll allow all flights to land even in near-zero visibility.

http://i63.tinypic.com/121a8ly.png

Quote:

Originally Posted by begratto (Post 7284575)
Wouldn't it make more sense to go through Montreal or Halifax instead of going all the way to Toronto and backtracking to NYC?

Sometimes, yeah - but usually not.

WestJet's North American connections from here are usually in Toronto and they tend to beat Air Canada's prices. And, really, it's a non-issue when heading West. It's only annoying going to the northeast U.S., which is a popular destination for us, probably among the most popular. But, even then... meh. I can't get passionately upset about it. It's not like when we had to fly to MTL or TO to go to Europe. That was irritating because it ate up an extra day of your vacation. The direct YYT-Newark was just a nice to have. Not a human right like the directs to Dublin and London. :haha:

Halifax is usually the most expensive for us to connect from. I assume it's because they're also the end of the spoke in our hub/spoke system. It's cheap for us to get to as a final destination, and probably cheaper to just get another ticket somewhere else once there. But people don't do that here yet. They're perfectly fine flying direct to Dublin and then shopping for whatever European tickets they need to get where they want to visit, but for some reason we don't do that in Halifax yet. Perhaps it's expensive for them to fly anywhere too? I don't know.

Checked Jan. 4 for a one-way ticket to NYC and the cheaptest was WestJet via TO at $408. Air Canada via Montreal was $522 (6 hr 40 minutes). United's direct flight was also $522 but only 3 hr 55 minutes. And Air Canada via Halifax was $860.

Marty_Mcfly Dec 31, 2015 11:51 PM

The cancelled United direct flight to NYC is no hair of my back. I'm willing to pay a few hundred dollars less and add an extra 90 minutes travel time to go through Toronto. I think Air Canada also has a direct flight to Newark from YYT anyway, though it might only be seasonal.

Nicko999 Jan 1, 2016 12:26 AM

It's off-topic but Atlanta airport became the first airport in the World to service 100M passengers in a year. They had their 100th million passenger on Dec 27.

Big moment for the aviation industry. Hopefully YYZ reaches that milestone by 2050.:P

SkahHigh Jan 1, 2016 1:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicko999 (Post 7284949)
It's off-topic but Atlanta airport became the first airport in the World to service 100M passengers in a year. They had their 100th million passenger on Dec 27.

Big moment for the aviation industry. Hopefully YYZ reaches that milestone by 2050.:P

Too bad only 10% of these actually leave the airport ;)

Denscity Jan 1, 2016 2:37 AM

^^^ Ya and only 10% are international.

thenoflyzone Jan 1, 2016 5:57 AM

Happy new year boys and girls!

Nicko999 Jan 1, 2016 9:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7284980)
Too bad only 10% of these actually leave the airport ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 7285012)
^^^ Ya and only 10% are international.

It doesn't really matter. The airport generates revenues and is a workplace for a lot of people. The airport economic impact was $23.7B in revenues in 2014. I would guess that's about 20% of Atlanta's GDP.

It's the same with Dubai's airport. Maybe 10-15% of passengers leave the airport but it still employs 90,000 people indirectly supporting more than 400,000 jobs and has an economic impact of $26.7B which is 27% of Dubai's GDP.

By comparison, Canada's largest airport had an economic impact of $12.7B, twice as small as the 2 big ones mentioned earlier. It's not coincidence, YYZ also has passengers numbers that was twice fewer of the big ones. There is a good reason why airports are measured by # of passengers around the World. It is the best estimate of its value no matter if those passengers leave the airport or not.

I smell a little bit of jealousy.:P

SkahHigh Jan 1, 2016 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicko999 (Post 7285312)
I smell a little bit of jealousy.:P

Really not jealous of Hartsfield-Jackson. As long as we get a good offer of international flights at YUL and keep growing, I'm satisfied :tup:

nname Jan 2, 2016 4:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7284574)
I think there's a bit of confusion here. What I was saying defies expectations is not the growth in PAX at YVR, but the cross alliance growth Casper was talking about. EVen with AC really boosting its presence at the airport a huge amount of the growth has come from all 3 alliances plus unaligned airlines. Like I said less than half the international flghts per week are star alliance, with significantly less being AC. IN fact only 28% of intl flights out of YVR are with AC, which I would guess is significantly lower than YYZ or YUL.

Using the statistics from here

Code:

        weekly seats*        monthly pax**        ratio
YYZ        482779                3338339*        0.145
YVR        189392                1430310                0.132
YUL        173994                1056235                0.164

* Weekly seats served by AC Nov 23-29, 2015
** Total airport monthly passenger in November 2015, except for YYZ (October)

So the ratio of flights operated by AC should be quite similar between YVR and YYZ, with YUL being slightly higher. Note this number does include both domestic and international.

Nicko999 Jan 2, 2016 4:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7285341)
Really not jealous of Hartsfield-Jackson. As long as we get a good offer of international flights at YUL and keep growing, I'm satisfied :tup:

Maybe not of the actual airport (I can't really say because I have never been there) but any aviation fan would be of their numbers. That's a massive plus economically.

isaidso Jan 2, 2016 8:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7277310)
Yes. 100 million if we take into account the top 5 airports. Not bad at all.

It is? So our top 5 airports managed to post passenger traffic equal to Atlanta Hartsfield.

casper Jan 2, 2016 4:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 7285548)
Using the statistics from here

Code:

        weekly seats*        monthly pax**        ratio
YYZ        482779                3338339*        0.145
YVR        189392                1430310                0.132
YUL        173994                1056235                0.164

* Weekly seats served by AC Nov 23-29, 2015
** Total airport monthly passenger in November 2015, except for YYZ (October)

So the ratio of flights operated by AC should be quite similar between YVR and YYZ, with YUL being slightly higher. Note this number does include both domestic and international.

Using Air Canada average load factor I ran the numbers average over the month. This are some errors introduced by how I did the calculation since we are working with averages. We don't have real number and I don't think the airlines are going to release them. I also added in YYC and YEG. Clearly AC is more dominant in Central Canada.

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Airport    week avg  monthly avg        adjust for loan factor airport  Percentage AC 
yyz        482779    2069052.85        1626275.546          3338339  49%
yvr        189392    811680                637980.48            1430310  45%
yul        173994    745688.5714        586111.2171          1056235  55%
yyc        112519  482224.2857        379028.2886        1132340  33%
yeg        49090    210385.7143        165363.1714          550446    30%


SkahHigh Jan 2, 2016 4:41 PM

^yeah because WestJet is more present in Western Canada

ghYHZ Jan 3, 2016 4:06 PM

An 18 hour layover at YYZ and a night in a ‘room with a view’ at the Sheraton above T3…..gave me time to reflect on what we might have had at YUL.

Growing up in the late ‘60's and early ‘70's with frequent family visits to Montreal’s West Island would find me on the observation deck at ‘Dorval’.

Sure I’d been to ‘Malton’ (Pearson) but besides Air Canada, Canadian Pacific and a couple of US carriers, the only ‘International’ flights at YYZ were on BOAC (British Airways)......Just no comparison to what we had at Dorval!...... Air France, Iberia, Alitalia, Scandinavian, Sabena, Swissair and Lufthansa among others with their DC-8s and ‘707s along with Aeroflot and Czech IL-62s. What a fascinating place for a kid!

But how things have changed!.....YYZ is in constant motion today with carriers it seems from just about everywhere. T1 (1964) and T2 (early ‘70s) are long gone and replaced with the soaring roof structures and glass concourses handling passenger volumes more than 2 1\2 times that of YUL.

We’ve had some nice building additions in YUL….but peel back a couple of layers and the original 1960 terminal is still in there. Walk out the pier to Gate 15 or in what’s left of the old mid-field Aeroquay…. and you’d be more apt to envision a Viscount or Vanguard through the windows ready for boarding.

Sure we have some major carriers here at YUL but there are times through the day when frankly……there’s just not much going on!

Some of my ‘Kodak Instamatic’ shots for July ’71:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-r.../Scan10007.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-i.../Scan10011.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-w.../Scan10006.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-E.../Scan10005.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_.../Scan10009.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Z.../Scan10002.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-u.../Scan10010.JPG

And a couple of Postcards from a long ago visit:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_...Ic42/Image.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-V...282%252529.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-n...283%252529.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-c...284%252529.jpg

connect2source Jan 3, 2016 4:53 PM

I have that last postcard in a scrapbook I made as a kid in the early 70's, thanks for the fantastic memories!! Great photos!!

ACT7 Jan 4, 2016 4:23 AM

Tweet from Airliner Route that China Southern has applied to CAAC for daily Guangzhou - Toronto on 77W from July 2016.

yyzer Jan 4, 2016 4:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ACT7 (Post 7286913)
Tweet from Airliner Route that China Southern has applied to CAAC for daily Guangzhou - Toronto on 77W from July 2016.

Indeed! Excellent news! :)

https://twitter.com/airlineroute/sta...39335515303936

flipv Jan 4, 2016 3:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yyzer (Post 7286938)

Great to see strong TPAC growth at YYZ.

Coldrsx Jan 4, 2016 5:55 PM

Awesome YUL shots.

Congratulations to the entire team!

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...psxskxzxq0.png

SteelTown Jan 4, 2016 11:26 PM

NewLeaf to announce new 'ultra low cost' airline in Hamilton Wednesday

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...sday-1.3389064

Travel company NewLeaf Travel is set to announce its promised new "ultra low cost" airline in Hamilton Wednesday.

According to a press release, the company plans to share information about pricing, booking details and non-stop routes at the John C. Munro Hamilton Airport at 11 a.m.

The launch will come months after initially planned, as NewLeaf had hoped to be operational by last summer. It missed the travel season while it was getting off the ground.

"The idea is that we are trying to lower the airfares," airline head Jim Young told CBC News back in April. "We're focusing on secondary airports. We don't like high-cost airports like Vancouver, Calgary, (Toronto) Pearson." In the west, Young is aiming to fly into Abbotsford, B.C., instead of Vancouver International.

Young has said the company hopes to look like the budget Ryanair in Europe, or Spirit or Allegiant airlines in the United States.

The company will sell packages with hotels and rental cars to Canadian and U.S. holiday destinations. But it will also hope to fill a low-cost flight niche for bare-bones customers looking for "a seat and a seatbelt" for casual travel.

These kinds of carriers typically have fewer daily flights, as well as no bonuses like in flight entertainment or frequent flyer points.

The company is partnering with Kelowna, B.C.-based Flair Airlines, a private charter airline, for aircraft, maintenance and crews. Rather than buying planes from scratch, partnering with Flair will cut out some of the operational hurdles to getting a new airline off the ground, Young said previously.

When reached Monday, a company representative said all details on flight destinations and prices are being saved for Wednesday's press conference.

Passenger numbers at Hamilton's airport have been dropping for years. For years the bulk of its traffic has been cargo rather than passenger.

"Strategically we see Hamilton International as an Airport well suited to an ultra-low cost carrier model, and would welcome New Leaf Travel Co. or any other low cost carrier to Hamilton Airport when looking to enter southern Ontario," airport marketing director Lauren Yaksich said in April.

Air Canada delayed the launch of its similar "rouge" flights between Hamilton and Calgary after a plane crash in Halifax last March threw off the company's fleet numbers.

SkahHigh Jan 4, 2016 11:30 PM

Wasn't Jetlines supposed to fly out of Hamilton as well?

SteelTown Jan 4, 2016 11:33 PM

^ Yep, whenever that happens I dunno. Seems like NewLeaf is ahead of the curve.

DrNest Jan 5, 2016 6:54 PM

I think Jetlines is still a pipe dream. There's been a lot of talk, and some "hiring" of senior management, but other than that they're no way near becoming an actual flying airline. I'm interested to see what NewLeaf turns out to be like. Though for me they're flying out of the wrong side of the GTA...

LeftCoaster Jan 5, 2016 6:55 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7284665)
I dont know. A lot of foreign tails at all 3 airports. It might be more (especially at YYZ), but not significantly, at least not at YUL.

No doubt there are more foreign tails at YYZ, but I count 33 foreign tails (not including sun flyers) at YYZ, with 23 at YVR and 15 at YUL.

Given that YYZ is well over double the Intl. passengers that YVR is and YUL is quite similar to YVR it stands to reason that significantly more of YYZ and YULs PAX are moved by AC or in the case of YUL Transat.

With YVR at about 40% of the Intl numbers that YYZ is, one would expect YYZ to have 58 foreign tails if the ratio were the same, not 33. So I'd imagine it's really quite significant the amount of AC intl PAX at YYZ compared to YVR.

Quote:

Originally Posted by yyzer (Post 7286938)

Great news, surprised they're starting it with a 77W and not a 787 though. That's a lot of capacity.

SteelTown Jan 6, 2016 4:24 PM

NewLeaf unveiling cheap Canadian flights from 7 cities today
Airline will start in seven cities offering rock bottom fares

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/newl...ount-1.3391546

A new airline set to take flight today is offering ultra-low fares out of seven Canadian cities for as little as $89 for a one-way flight, starting Feb. 12.

NewLeaf will reveal its flight plans at joint events in Kelowna, Winnipeg and Hamltion starting at 11 a.m. ET on Wednesday. CBC is livestreaming a feed of those press events in the player above.

The airline's website, flynewleaf.ca, shows flights are available from seven Canadian airports:

Abbotsford, B.C.
Halifax
Hamilton, Ont.
Kelowna, B.C.
Regina
Saskatoon
Winnipeg

The airline will be partnering with B.C.-based charter airline Flair Airlines for planes, crew and maintenance work.

The air travel industry in Canada is dominated by two companies, WestJet and Air Canada, but is also served by many regional and charter companies that cater to small segments of the market.

Darcy Morgan, chief commercial officer of Calgary-based charter airline Enerjet, says Canada is more than able to handle competition in the industry.

"Canada is not well-served by airlines today, and as much as there's a duopoly of Air Canada and WestJet, Canada lacks the low-cost point to point service pretty much every nation has available," he said in an interview.

"If there's an opening in the market, we believe that's it."

kwoldtimer Jan 6, 2016 4:31 PM

YKF envies YHM for those flights to Halifax, Winnipeg, and Kelowna, if not all of them.

SteelTown Jan 6, 2016 4:36 PM

Route Map
http://flynewleaf.ca/site/assets/fil...h-routemap.jpg
http://flynewleaf.ca/travel-info/route-map-south/

SkahHigh Jan 6, 2016 4:43 PM

Hopefully they'll expand in the future. I feel like secondary markets such as YQB and YQM are being left out...

DrNest Jan 6, 2016 6:57 PM

Not sure if there servers are just busy due to interest from a number of people wanting to check NewLeaf out, but I've been trying to book for the past 20 minutes and can't get any dates or prices to load. I also find the select a dat option to not be very user friendly. Not a good first impression.

esquire Jan 6, 2016 7:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrNest (Post 7289952)
Not sure if there servers are just busy due to interest from a number of people wanting to check NewLeaf out, but I've been trying to book for the past 20 minutes and can't get any dates or prices to load. I also find the select a dat option to not be very user friendly. Not a good first impression.

Hardly surprising given that with the media attention their servers are probably getting clobbered with 10x the traffic they'll ever get again on a single day.

TorontoDrew Jan 6, 2016 7:37 PM

It is slow but when I managed to get on their site and look into booking flights in June they had non available. What, do they have like 3 planes?

jmt18325 Jan 6, 2016 7:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew (Post 7290015)
it is slow but when I managed to get on their site at look into booking flights in June they had non available. What do they have like 3 planes?

2 planes

Bigtime Jan 6, 2016 7:49 PM

...and guess what happens if one of those planes goes mechanical?

Coldrsx Jan 6, 2016 7:58 PM

Sweet, now we can fly to everywhere we don't want to go...













I kid, I kid:sly:

SignalHillHiker Jan 6, 2016 7:59 PM

:haha:

Seriously, though - so jealous of HFX for this. Congrats!

Hali87 Jan 6, 2016 8:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 7290052)
Sweet, now we can fly to everywhere we don't want to go...



Clearly you're just jealous ;)

"Canada's Brooklyn", here I come!

SkydivePilot Jan 6, 2016 8:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigtime (Post 7290039)
...and guess what happens if one of those planes goes mechanical?

. . . . then half the fleet will be grounded, . lol!

This operator --- should --- do alright. AC & WJ won't be able to interfere with these routes. (Unlike Jetsgo.)

'Looking forward to NewLeaf doing transborder routes. I wish them the best. :tup:

jthetzel Jan 6, 2016 8:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SignalHillHiker (Post 7284911)
:previous:

Yeah, I heard exactly that today - that the route was infamous for delays/cancellations. Still usually sold out, though, apparently. And we have the new runway system in the works (should be fully operational next year) that'll allow all flights to land even in near-zero visibility.

http://i63.tinypic.com/121a8ly.png

An interesting feature of flying United to Newark is United's codeshare program with Amtrak (e.g. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unite...ladelphia.html ). Connections to Philadelphia, Wilmington, Stamford, or New Haven are via the train. The codeshare is especially popular for Philadelphians. The Amtrak ride is only about 60 minutes and brings you right into Center City's 30th Street Station. From there, most destinations in southeastern Pennsylvania are conveniently accessible via the regional rail. If New York City is your final destination, NY Penn Station is just 30 minutes from EWR on NJ Transit. Interestingly, booking round trip YYT-EWR-ZFV (ZFV is the airline code for 30th Street Station) always costs about $50-$100 less than booking just YYT-EWR due to differences between the Philadelphia and New York markets. Some New Yorkers attempt to abuse the route by booking from ZFV but never boarding the train.

Generally, I find the YYT-EWR route a really convenient way to quickly get into the northeast US. From Newark, half the country is within a two hour flight, train, or drive. I fly it around three times a year (taking it back to St. John's today, writing from EWR) and have had good weather luck. Granted, I grew up outside of Philly, so getting stuck overnight around Newark is not a big deal and a great excuse to drop in on friends in the area. With the CAT III landing system at YYT, I would expect the flight to be significantly more reliable. An added bonus is the plane itself usually loops from the Houston/KC/Raleigh region of the US to Newark to St. John's, which is a relatively reliable route in the winter weather-wise. I've had many short connections to Halifax cancelled not because of bad weather at YYT or YHZ, but because the plane was previously hopping between Toronto and Montreal and got iced-in at YUL.

I'm hopeful that the seasonal summer service continues. The summer service is operated by United, flies larger planes with 3x3 seat configurations, and is dominated by tourists. The winter service is operated by United Express, flies the smaller Embraer 175 with 2x2 configurations, and carries many oilmen. One poster at flyertalk.com speculated that the cause for the cancellation might have been a loss of specific corporate contracts (presumably guaranteed business from the oil companies) as opposed to a general lack of interest in the route or a weak Canadian dollar ( http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25941649-post15.html ). If so, maybe United is cancelling to leverage a future contract, or maybe they need to cancel to re-organize the segment. I'd be happy with every-other day service. Or maybe I need to move past my denial and accept pseudo-direct flights to downtown Philly are gone for good. In any case, if St. John's can support daily service to Heathrow, it's hard to fathom daily service to New York being unprofitable.

I understand it's fun or cathartic to complain about the hassles of cancelled flights out of foggy St. John's, but I hoped at least one journalist or a critical mass of commenters would discuss the economic impact of losing the province's only direct route to New York, and the apparent lack of any provincial government effort to protect that route. But for some, none of that seems to matter. Afterall, we're getting expanded service to Orlando ( http://www.thetelegram.com/section/2...United-exits/1 ). Joy.

SteelTown Jan 6, 2016 9:14 PM

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NewLeaf is promoting one-way flights as low as $89, to fly between Kelowna, Regina, Saskatoon and Abbotsford. The company said it plans to operate two to three flights per week to each destination, using five Boeing 737-400s supplied by its Kelowna-based partner, Flair Airlines. Each plane can carry about 150 passengers.
http://www.bnn.ca/News/2016/1/6/New-...February-.aspx

Horus Jan 6, 2016 9:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelTown (Post 7290173)

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NewLeaf is promoting one-way flights as low as $89, to fly between Kelowna, Regina, Saskatoon and Abbotsford. The company said it plans to operate two to three flights per week to each destination, using five Boeing 737-400s supplied by its Kelowna-based partner, Flair Airlines. Each plane can carry about 150 passengers

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