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Airboy Dec 2, 2015 11:22 PM

I though MSP was a decent airport the last few trips through.

SkydivePilot Dec 2, 2015 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jeremy_haak (Post 7255613)
Yeah, MSP was actually pretty nice compared to a lot of airports.

MSP is very nice and very easy to navigate.

MSP is where "Airport" (1970) was filmed. The core of the initial first phase of the airport is still very preserved - however changed. :)

casper Dec 3, 2015 2:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halifaxboyns (Post 7255376)
Amen - flew out of LGA in the summer with Delta to YHZ; what a dump. It stunk and the ac didn't work so they had giant fans blowing air down the concourse.

I've not done JFK yet; I'm hearing the terminal 4 upgrades have made it quite impressive.

I have to say SEA is a great terminal - I've always had great experiences there and it feels comfortable/spacious (except in the arrivals hall - that does feel a little cramped). The musicians in the food court is a nice touch too. The worst airport I've experienced is MSP (Minneapolis). It's old, crumbling and have the wash rooms weren't functional.

I find MSP pretty good.

SEA has its problems. If you are coming from Calgary (pre-clearance) it is not bad. If you are connecting from Victoria (what I do) the issue is international arrivals is into a remote terminal. US boarder control can be pretty good given they have the automated machines. It can also be very painful if you arrive at the same time as multiple international arrivals. Once you clear it is two separate people movers to get over to where Alaska has domestic flights.

thenoflyzone Dec 3, 2015 2:45 AM

HA is eyeing new routes to the east coast after 2017. YUL and YYZ were mentioned on a slide at an investor day presentation, along with PHL, IAD and BOS.

Interesting.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/busine...ts-in-2-years/

SkahHigh Dec 3, 2015 8:32 PM

October update:

1.YYZ - 27,982,740 +6.9% (from September)
2.YVR - 17,206,481 +4.8%
3.YUL - 13,247,689 +4.6%
4.YYC - 13,035,840 +1.57%
5.YEG - 6,105,218 -0.7%

The Chemist Dec 3, 2015 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 7254414)
LAX bad but not awful

Newark a bit ghetto, some decent areas, stupid runway+delays due to winds

Logan, AWFUL

Minny - fantastic

Denver - fantastic

S.F - fantastic


LAX is the worst airport I've ever had the misfortune of travelling through. I had to fly back to Calgary via LAX in February, and aside from the nightmare of passing through customs (why, oh why does the US insist on making even transfer passengers pass through customs?) when I cleared customs there was absolutely ZERO signage indicating where to go for my connecting flight, and I had to wander around for more than 15 minutes before I could even find a member of the airport staff to ask where to go. Absolutely unacceptable for such an important airport.

I've been through Logan a couple of times and while it's old I never found it to be particularly terrible.

Denver's airport is huge, but well laid out and is overall an excellent experience.

SFO is fantastic.

SignalHillHiker Dec 3, 2015 11:28 PM

The primary runway at YYT has been re-opened following construction. The CAT 3 system will be operational by 2016.

Video Link

Tropics Dec 4, 2015 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7256902)
October update:

1.YYZ - 27,982,740 +6.9% (from September)
2.YVR - 17,206,481 +4.8%
3.YUL - 13,247,689 +4.6%
4.YYC - 13,035,840 +1.57%
5.YEG - 6,105,218 -0.7%

Are there any estimates on the air traffic that YYC will have once the international terminal is compete and operational? From the look of it once YYC gets that additional capacity it has a good chance of becoming the clear third busiest airport in Canada for the foreseeable future.

I am hopeful they add a direct flight to Turks and Caicos from YYC once the thing is open. Is there anywhere we can see a list of new proposed international routes from YYC or are they all still being sorted out?

Denscity Dec 4, 2015 12:19 AM

Should YYZ's numbers say 37... and not 27...? They've always been roughly double the count of YVR. Therefore they should be pushing 40M and YVR 20M.

Denscity Dec 4, 2015 12:21 AM

Regarding YYC ive checked out their thread many times and I see more reductions/cancellations than new flights being added due to the economic downturn. Granted many are domestic reductions. A local Calgarian can correct me.

SkahHigh Dec 4, 2015 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tropics (Post 7257214)
Are there any estimates on the air traffic that YYC will have once the international terminal is compete and operational? From the look of it once YYC gets that additional capacity it has a good chance of becoming the clear third busiest airport in Canada for the foreseeable future.

I am hopeful they add a direct flight to Turks and Caicos from YYC once the thing is open. Is there anywhere we can see a list of new proposed international routes from YYC or are they all still being sorted out?

I doubt it is a capacity question. The economic downturn simply has an impact on YYC's stats...

thenoflyzone Dec 4, 2015 2:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 7257219)
Should YYZ's numbers say 37... and not 27...? They've always been roughly double the count of YVR. Therefore they should be pushing 40M and YVR 20M.

The YYZ number is correct.

http://torontopearson.com/en/gtaa/statistics/#

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tropics (Post 7257214)
Are there any estimates on the air traffic that YYC will have once the international terminal is compete and operational? From the look of it once YYC gets that additional capacity it has a good chance of becoming the clear third busiest airport in Canada for the foreseeable future.

I am hopeful they add a direct flight to Turks and Caicos from YYC once the thing is open. Is there anywhere we can see a list of new proposed international routes from YYC or are they all still being sorted out?

So you think airlines aren't serving YYC to it's full potential due to lack of room at the terminal building?

And that airline route planners walk into a new terminal building and say..."you know what, this is a beautiful extension they did. Let's add some routes out of here....! "

That's not how the commercial aviation business works. It's all about market demand. If there was demand to PLS out of YYC, someone would be flying it. And if YYC-PLS does come to fruition, it will certainly not be because of the new international wing !

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Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7257262)
I doubt it is a capacity question. The economic downturn simply has an impact on YYC's stats...

:yeahthat:

SkahHigh Dec 4, 2015 2:47 AM

Plus it's not like YYC is the only airport expanding at the moment...

eemy Dec 4, 2015 2:47 AM

Those numbers are only up to and including August. Based on current growth rates, it's slated to reach around 41 million this year.

Coldrsx Dec 8, 2015 4:04 PM

KLM change according to Airliner Route

Amsterdam – Edmonton 4th weekly service in summer scheduled from 02MAY16, instead of 05JUL16

LeftCoaster Dec 8, 2015 11:35 PM

Also airline route showing all the routes we thought were 789s (YEG/YYC) as A330s. Any idea what that's all about?

Johnny Aussie Dec 9, 2015 5:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7262876)
Also airline route showing all the routes we thought were 789s (YEG/YYC) as A330s. Any idea what that's all about?

Yes I do!

KLM is putting the 787-9 on the YYC and YEG routes starting next November.

So until then, 333s and 332s will be plying these routes.

Johnny Aussie Dec 9, 2015 7:19 AM

YYZ October Stats
 
YYZ has finally released October figures... Although no wonder it took so long having to count so many passengers.... ;)

Oct was up 4.3% and YTD is up an impressive 6.6% clearly leading all Canadian Airports (well the "major" ones that I look at anyway).

YYZ is in a league of its own this year and no sign their growth will be letting up.

YTD to the end of October was ~ 34.8 million which is up over 2.1 million pax compared to the same period last year.

http://www.torontopearson.com/en/gtaa/statistics/##

Airboy Dec 9, 2015 5:23 PM

On a side note but a throw back to the old days.

When the lights go out.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/...pots-1.3357013

Nicko999 Dec 11, 2015 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie (Post 7263352)
YYZ has finally released October figures... Although no wonder it took so long having to count so many passengers.... ;)

Oct was up 4.3% and YTD is up an impressive 6.6% clearly leading all Canadian Airports (well the "major" ones that I look at anyway).

YYZ is in a league of its own this year and no sign their growth will be letting up.

YTD to the end of October was ~ 34.8 million which is up over 2.1 million pax compared to the same period last year.

http://www.torontopearson.com/en/gtaa/statistics/##

YUL leading the way when it comes to October growth (6.8%) but that 6.6% YTD is, like you said, in a class of its own.:tup:

Dwils01 Dec 17, 2015 3:40 PM

Sault Municipal Airport has processed 200,000 passengers so far this year. This is the highest amount of passengers who have gone through the airport since its opening.

Most of the increase in passengers through the airport is from Porter's flights to Billy Bishop.

davidivivid Dec 17, 2015 8:47 PM

Video of the construction site of th new international terminal.

Video Link

thenoflyzone Dec 18, 2015 1:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidivivid (Post 7273821)
Video of the construction site of th new international terminal.

Nice vid.

On another note.....

Canada-Australia expanded their bilateral air agreement, something that was long overdue.

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=1025239

"Under this expanded agreement, capacity available to Canadian and Australian airlines for services to Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth will increase from 3,000 to 6,000 seats per week for each country effective immediately, and then increase to 9,000 seats starting in December 2016."

With this agreement, AC should have no trouble going daily on the new YVR-BNE service. Could also see a double daily YVR-SYD next December, or a YVR-MEL.

Thenoflyzone

flipv Dec 18, 2015 5:12 PM

Brussels airlines to Yyz after Jet airways switched scissor hubs.

SkydivePilot Dec 18, 2015 5:30 PM

CBC reports that Bombardier's 'C'-Series jets have achieved certification! :tup:

SkahHigh Dec 19, 2015 2:00 AM

YUL welcomed passenger number 15 million today.

Nicko999 Dec 19, 2015 2:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7275363)
YUL welcomed passenger number 15 million today.

:cheers:

yyzer Dec 19, 2015 4:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipv (Post 7274702)
Brussels airlines to YYZ after Jet airways switched scissor hubs.

Excellent news! here's the press release..... :)

http://press.brusselsairlines.com/br...inental-growth

Also, YYZ processed its 40 millionth passenger for this year, on Dec 14th.....

http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases...561796401.html

thenoflyzone Dec 19, 2015 1:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkahHigh (Post 7275363)
YUL welcomed passenger number 15 million today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by yyzer (Post 7275452)

Also, YYZ processed its 40 millionth passenger for this year, on Dec 14th

The year of the milestones....

YYZ - 40 million +
YVR - 20 million +
YUL - 15 million +

SFUVancouver Dec 21, 2015 8:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7275583)
The year of the milestones....

YYZ - 40 million +
YVR - 20 million +
YUL - 15 million +

75+ million pax through our three largest airports alone; not bad for a country with a relatively small population.

thenoflyzone Dec 21, 2015 9:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver (Post 7277298)
75+ million pax through our three largest airports alone; not bad for a country with a relatively small population.

Yes. 100 million if we take into account the top 5 airports. Not bad at all.

G.S MTL Dec 22, 2015 8:56 PM

According to this site.... Air China wants to begin service Shanghai to Montreal in September 2016 7x a week ! With a Boeing 773 here is the link
http://www.chinaaviationdaily.com/news/49/49789.html

G.S MTL Dec 22, 2015 8:58 PM

YUL 20 million by 2020? Hummmmmm would love to see that

Coldrsx Dec 22, 2015 9:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7278392)
According to this site.... Air China wants to begin service Shanghai to Montreal in September 2016 7x a week ! With a Boeing 773 here is the link
http://www.chinaaviationdaily.com/news/49/49789.html

Would loved to have seen a YUL-YEG-PVG.

Klazu Dec 22, 2015 9:24 PM

Talking about 20M passengers... ;)

Quote:

Vancouver International Airport Serves Record 20 Millionth Passenger

December 22, 2015

Vancouver International Airport (YVR) will today serve its 20 millionth annual passenger, a new record for one of Canada’s fastest growing airports and a critical landmark in its trajectory towards 25 million passengers by 2020.

“Our goal remains clear: to connect British Columbians proudly to the world while establishing YVR as a world-class sustainable gateway between Asia and the Americas,” said Craig Richmond, President and CEO, Vancouver Airport Authority. “We are committed to creating new jobs, increasing access to global destinations and opening new markets for B.C. goods through innovative strategies that continue to drive growth.”

One such strategy is ConnectYVR, a new rates and charges program for airlines that comes into effect January 1, 2016. Made possible by YVR’s commitment to develop innovative sources of non-aviation related revenue, ConnectYVR offers a rate structure for landing and terminal fees that financially incentivizes airlines for growth and efficiency.

“By incenting airlines to grow and improving our terminal facilities and processes to move passengers and planes quickly, we can continue to attract new airlines to YVR and position ourselves as a major international hub in the increasingly competitive aviation industry,” added Richmond.

Looking to the future, YVR is working hard to achieve an ambitious goal of serving 25 million passengers by 2020. To get there requires a combination of new routes, increased frequencies, larger planes and new airlines.

In 2015, YVR welcomed two new airlines: Air France launched thrice-weekly seasonal service to Paris in March and in December Aeromexico began daily service to Mexico City. Every new daily international flight to YVR creates between 150 and 200 jobs at the airport and in B.C.’s hotels, tourism attractions and businesses. Ongoing operations at YVR support more than 23,600 direct jobs at the airport alone and generate $5.3 billion in total gross domestic product and $11.7 billion in total economic output into the Canadian economy.

Reaching the goal of 25 million passengers by 2020 would add 5,000-7,000 more direct jobs at YVR, generate $2.7 billion in gross domestic product and more than $800 million in tax revenues to local, provincial and federal governments.

http://www.yvr.ca/en/flight-informat...Passenger.aspx

LeftCoaster Dec 22, 2015 9:32 PM

Also, that YVR-BNE route has already gone daily. Didn't take long at all.

The flight hasn't even started yet and it's already been bumped up in starting date and expanded from 3x weekly to daily. Talk about an overdue bilateral.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/12/b...ouver-flights/

casper Dec 23, 2015 2:45 AM

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Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 7278442)
Also, that YVR-BNE route has already gone daily. Didn't take long at all.

The flight hasn't even started yet and it's already been bumped up in starting date and expanded from 3x weekly to daily. Talk about an overdue bilateral.

http://www.vancitybuzz.com/2015/12/b...ouver-flights/

I am finding interesting about all of this is YVR is growing across airline and alliance boundaries. The Air Canada increases (combined with their joint venture partners) is really good. However it is not just Star Alliance, there are Skyteam and Oneworld members adding flights to new destinations, including secondary cities in China.

SaskOttaLoo Dec 23, 2015 10:45 PM

From an airline perspective, I'm curious about why St. John's isn't used more as an intermediate stop to and from Europe. Somewhat like how Vancouver is the hub that so many flights from Eastern Canada (and sometimes the US) stop at before continuing to Asia. Obviously the population is a lot lower, but is Europe's comparative proximity also part of the rationale - that there's no need to stop midway? Simply from a geographic perspective it would seem logical. Sure this is a dumb question, but I'd be interested in the reason!

MalcolmTucker Dec 23, 2015 10:59 PM

It isn't far enough north, and it is less of an anchor for flights through origin and destination traffic. If it was 3 million people, it would be different I think.

SFUVancouver Dec 23, 2015 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SaskOttaLoo (Post 7279619)
From an airline perspective, I'm curious about why St. John's isn't used more as an intermediate stop to and from Europe. Somewhat like how Vancouver is the hub that so many flights from Eastern Canada (and sometimes the US) stop at before continuing to Asia. Obviously the population is a lot lower, but is Europe's comparative proximity also part of the rationale - that there's no need to stop midway? Simply from a geographic perspective it would seem logical. Sure this is a dumb question, but I'd be interested in the reason!

There isn't a need any longer to stop for fuel before crossing the Atlantic, plus the route north over(-ish) the pole is more direct for the major population centres of Canada than travelling east for hundreds of kilometres, if not more, and operationally there isn't a compelling reason for stopping in a small market like St. John's before heading on to Europe.

thenoflyzone Dec 24, 2015 12:47 AM

YYT should consider itself lucky to have scheduled service to LHR, DUB and soon LGW. Plenty of cities in the States with a population 5 to 10 times larger with no service to Europe.

DrNest Dec 28, 2015 5:53 PM

Adding to the list of Heavies at CYYZ, we had a Hi Fly A343 from Lisbon come in today. First time I've seen it, haven't looked to see if it's a regular schedule or refugee flight.

thenoflyzone Dec 29, 2015 3:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DrNest (Post 7282145)
Adding to the list of Heavies at CYYZ, we had a Hi Fly A343 from Lisbon come in today. First time I've seen it, haven't looked to see if it's a regular schedule or refugee flight.

It was a refugee flight.

5K 671 Amman-Lisbon-Toronto

They most likely stopped in LIS for a crew change.

On a different note, Air China started HAV-YUL-PEK yesterday...and interestingly enough the flight from YUL back to PEK cruised at 32,000 the entire way to China. Cargo hold must have been full of rum and cigars, and also maybe one or two of those antique American cars... ;)

G.S MTL Dec 29, 2015 9:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 7282885)
It was a refugee flight.

5K 671 Amman-Lisbon-Toronto

They most likely stopped in LIS for a crew change.

On a different note, Air China started HAV-YUL-PEK yesterday...and interestingly enough the flight from YUL back to PEK cruised at 32,000 the entire way to China. Cargo hold must have been full of rum and cigars, and also maybe one or two of those antique American cars... ;)

Hahahaha !! Funny

G.S MTL Dec 29, 2015 10:59 PM

I Have a question.... Thenoflyzone u seem to know ur stuff .. I know Aeroflot has service to Havana from Moscow and now Air China PEK-YUL-HAV ...are those the only Asian airlines serving Havana.?

kwoldtimer Dec 29, 2015 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by G.S MTL (Post 7283251)
I Have a question.... Thenoflyzone u seem to know ur stuff .. I know Aeroflot has service to Havana from Moscow and now Air China PEK-YUL-HAV ...are those the only Asian airlines serving Havana.?

Aeroflot? Moscow? Asian Airline? :shrug:

eemy Dec 29, 2015 11:28 PM

Even if some of Aeroflot's home territory is in Asia, it is a stretch to call it an Asian airline and it's service to Moscow from Havana certainly doesn't count as an Asian flight.

As an aside, I looked at the Havana Airport's wikipedia page and noticed that it had direct service to Angola (one of very few airports in North America to have direct service to that part of Africa). It seems kind of peculiar, but apparently Cuba has quite a long history in Angola.

SkahHigh Dec 29, 2015 11:29 PM

YUL November 2015 stats

1,056,235 +4.4%

Domestic: 450,501 +4.9%
International: 330,124 +3.3%
US: 275,610 +4.7%

YTD 14,303,963

G.S MTL Dec 30, 2015 12:54 AM

Well considering most of Russia is in Asia ....anyway so Air China is the Only Asian airline serving Havana?

G.S MTL Dec 30, 2015 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kwoldtimer (Post 7283255)
Aeroflot? Moscow? Asian Airline? :shrug:

Don't be stupid ...it was a question...i thought it was considered an Asian airline ...most people think when we say Asian we automatically think only Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese etc...MOST of Russia is in ASIA.


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