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esquire Dec 10, 2013 5:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc (Post 6369222)
Calgary International Airport currently being doubled in size and capacity.

That's impressive. YYC is clearly taking things to the next level.

Chadillaccc Dec 10, 2013 6:42 PM

Yeah they really are. They're adding a massive new terminal and a runway, I believe these are collectively known as the "International Facilities Project" as the new terminal will be our international terminal. Under the new runway they are also building a tunnel for every-day civilian vehicular traffic, part of a road called Airport Trail. They also just finished construction on the tallest stand-alone air traffic control tower in Canada.

... and on top of all that, British Airways just announced 787 Dreamliner service between YYC and Heathrow! Awesome.

lubicon Dec 10, 2013 7:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc (Post 6369222)
Calgary International Airport currently being doubled in size and capacity.

Small quibble. The airport is not doubling in size, the terminal is.

Airboy Dec 10, 2013 8:13 PM

Another terminal that is more than doubling in size. YFB In Iqaluit.

I am trying to get the latest version of the teminal rederings but gone is the bright yellow of the old terminal and the new terminal is a bright Red.

This project is still in the design stage so look at shovels in the ground by June if the Ship gets in early.

Airboy Dec 11, 2013 10:56 PM

YFB New terminal Rederings are pretty much like this.

http://www.nunatsiaqonline.ca/pub/photos/airport.jpg

http://www.nunatsiaqonline.ca/pub/photos/airport.jpg

And the old
http://www.northof56.com/assets/imag...-pat-nagle.jpg

Coldrsx Dec 11, 2013 11:56 PM

Old is ten billion millions better.

Airboy Dec 12, 2013 5:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldrsx (Post 6371375)
Old is ten billion millions better.

You sir have never been there. This is more than 3 times larger.
I actually like the renderings I've seen.
I will post a photo of what it is like inside the old.

esquire Dec 12, 2013 2:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airboy (Post 6371769)
You sir have never been there. This is more than 3 times larger.
I actually like the renderings I've seen.
I will post a photo of what it is like inside the old.

I'm sure the new terminal will be a huge improvement functionally, but the awesome circa 1978 yellow boldness of the old one looks better... it looks like the Butterdome's long-lost cousin.

Airboy Dec 12, 2013 6:10 PM

I like the Yellow as well but the facility is so under sized and in need of considerable repair. During the time expeditions come through on their way up to Resolute to make a run for the Pole the place is so jammed that you have to stand outdoors. The use of busses to take people to the various aircraft is not common. I remember taking a bus to another part of the field because there was no room for the plane. What you don't see in the photo is the dark blue addition from a few years ago.

GreaterMontréal Dec 30, 2013 4:41 PM

14 million passengers in 2013 for Trudeau airport. a record for YUL

with new things ...

http://www.marketwire.com/library/20...timedia800.jpg

Chadillaccc Jan 8, 2014 7:52 AM

Part of the International Terminal of Calgary International, nearly doubling the size of our airport.


http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5533/1...ce2cb723_b.jpg
International facilities by Chadillaccc, on Flickr





... and one of several new airport hotels...


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7347/1...83253ed7_b.jpg
Hilton? by Chadillaccc, on Flickr

GernB Jan 8, 2014 9:35 PM

I wish the planned expansions of facilities and services here had gone ahead. Cascade, Big Sky, Air Canada, PWA and Westjet all had plans at one time or another to come here but it never happened. We would have been connected to Winnipeg/Regina/Vancouver Victoria E-W and have had service to numerous US centres, including Anaheim, Reno and Las Vegas and a resort in Mexico whose name I don't recall. A Terminal more than doubled in size as well IIRC. All we have now is limited service to Calgary, Edmonton and Fort Mac. Though the airport is now a port of entry, it's operated by the county (the city wasn't interested when Transport Canada shed it) there is no international service and there's no money to promote it.

Market forces I know but it's saddening when I think of what might have been.

Coldrsx Jan 15, 2014 4:21 PM

Edmonton International Airport sees record passenger numbers in 2013


BY EDMONTON JOURNAL, EDMONTON JOURNAL JANUARY 14, 2014

The Edmonton International Airport says 2013 was its busiest year on record for passengers served.

The airport handled a total of 6,983,229 passengers last year, up 4.6 per cent from 2012.

It saw its biggest growth in U.S. transborder travel, which increased to 1.3 million passengers, up 7.7 per cent over the previous year. Domestic passengers increased to 5.3 million, up four per cent, while international flyer numbers went up 3.4 per cent to 406,207.

“These record-breaking numbers show that Edmonton International Airport completed its expansion just in time,” said Traci Bednard, the airport’s vice-president of passenger market development.

The airport largely completed a $670-million terminal expansion over the past two years, adding a revamped Canada arrivals hall, an improved U.S. departures area, a new control tower and more shopping and restaurant amenities. A Marriott Renaissance hotel is expected to open in 2014.

The airport’s private terminals also saw a jump in business, with corporate charter flights increasing 30 per cent in 2013, to nearly 26,000 landings.

© Copyright (c) The Edmonton Journal

Chadillaccc Jan 17, 2014 11:39 PM

I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly, but I believe at the bottom of the chart here, it shows an adjusted number of 14 222 708 for passengers at YYC. If that's the case, it looks like we surpassed Pierre Elliott Trudeau International Airport as the 3rd busiest, seeing as they only reached the 14 million mark on December 30th, which would put them at 14 050 000 at best.



Calgary: http://www.calgaryairport.com/en-us/...tatistics.aspx
Montreal: (see PDF "Dec 30, 2013" on main page) http://www.admtl.com/passengers/home.aspx

MTLskyline Jan 17, 2014 11:49 PM

Congrats!

As a Montrealer there is not too much to be sad about, it was a record year for YUL at 14 million passengers, and there are plenty of interesting new flights coming this year.

Chadillaccc Jan 17, 2014 11:52 PM

Exactly. I wonder why, at this point in history, so many new things are coming to so many Canadian airports? Even airports in cities like Prince George BC (Metro 90 000) have had their airports completely rebuilt and new routes added. What has changed over the last decade to warrant such a paradigm shift?

WhipperSnapper Jan 18, 2014 12:47 AM

Nothing. Airports are contantly growing and expanding.

Dr Awesomesauce Jan 18, 2014 1:06 AM

Well, all except for YHM. ;)

MTLskyline Jan 18, 2014 1:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Awesomesauce (Post 6411688)
Well, all except for YHM. ;)

and especially YMX

Innsertnamehere Jan 18, 2014 4:20 AM

YMX is mirabel I take it? I often wonder if Pickering will become Mirabel 2.0.. It seems like Pearson still has plenty of space to grow before running into issues. They can essentially still double the size of T1..

Chadillaccc Jan 18, 2014 5:21 AM

I think pickering is a poor choice of location for the 2nd airport.

MTLskyline Jan 18, 2014 5:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere (Post 6411843)
YMX is mirabel I take it? I often wonder if Pickering will become Mirabel 2.0.. It seems like Pearson still has plenty of space to grow before running into issues. They can essentially still double the size of T1..

Affirmative.

It would be bad news if they built a second major international airport in Toronto (well third). That is unless Pearson was exceeding capacity beyond what they could do at the current site. I wonder how long a Pickering airport would have to wait for rail service?

One advantage Toronto's geography has is that it extends more or less in a 180 degree radius from the lake. Montreal extends in a 360 degree radius, making a location like Mirabel hard to get to for a good chunk of the population. I live in an inner suburb on the south shore, and I am close to 25km from Trudeau, but 60km from Mirabel, which would require crossing three bridges, and driving through the entire width of Montreal, Laval, and various North Shore cities before arriving in Mirabel. If I lived somewhere like Mont-Saint-Hiliare (still within Greater Montreal), I'd be talking about 90km (similar to Burlington to Pickering). It's pretty much the same distance to Plattsburgh Airport, where the flights are a lot cheaper.

Coincidentally there was a report on television about Mirabel this evening. It is owned and operated by the same non-profit organization as Trudeau Airport. Here is the link for those who are curious (or who want to practice their French) http://tva.canoe.ca/emissions/je/reportages/206001.html

A few recent pictures
http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_r...y=80&size=650x

http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_r...y=80&size=650x

http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_r...y=80&size=650x

Source: http://www.journaldemontreal.com/201...rogare-fantome

VIce Jan 18, 2014 5:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTLskyline (Post 6411709)
and especially YMX

The aerospace manufacturing and development / testing facilities at Mirabel get updated pretty frequently. It has quite the number of tenants, after all.

esquire Jan 18, 2014 2:47 PM

It still blows my mind that one of the biggest and best airports in Canada just sits there pretty much abandoned, aside from maybe a handful of freight and aerospace industry users. And to think that what was built was just the initial phase of what was supposed to be a much larger project.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rptdiagram.png

That said, I get the impression that an airport in Pickering would face a much different fate than Mirabel. In that case, it would be needed because Pearson is going to eventually max out its capacity. And I think there were a lot of lessons learned from Mirabel, beginning with much better connectivity between airports and city.

WhipperSnapper Jan 18, 2014 3:32 PM

Ideally, Pickering would support Durham Region and the east side of York Region. These poor guys don't even have an Ikea yet either.

Innsertnamehere Jan 18, 2014 8:55 PM

Pickering airport would be a 50km drive from Downtown, it isn't exactly close.

It may eventually be needed and I think the land should be kept for it, but I simply don't see Pearson maxing out for a long while yet. Trudeau was at a similar point that Pearson is at today.


When it opens it will need to serve discount carriers and will need a form of free express bus between it and Pearson. Maybe move Pearson freight customers to it to allow for more passenger movements at Pearson as well.

The rail line that runs to Peterborough goes right beside the site, so a rail connection is possible.

caltrane74 Jan 18, 2014 9:42 PM

If and when a Pickering Airport is built a rail connection and station can be built at the same time.

I don't see Pearson maxing out for at least another 20 to 30 years. But the land should be maintained just in case it is needed.

Policy Wonk Jan 19, 2014 10:02 AM

Pickering as it will open will be primarily a general aviation facility, which is under tremendous strain in the region between Buttonville presumably closing, bad long-term prospects for GA at YTZ and Bombardier refusing to even entertain the possibility of opening Downsview to other users.

Commercial service at Pickering is only precariously theoretical.

flipv Jan 20, 2014 5:19 PM

I'm very excited with the changes at Toronto-Pearson. The appointment of Howard Eng as CEO of the airport has brought a much needed kick in the back for the airport to offer amenities that are expected at a major global hub.

So long the boring Pearson - hello a dining and shopping paradise. Can't wait for my flight to St. Maarten in two weeks, I'll get to sample the new Duty Free shops.

-- All pictures from GTAA's Facebook page --

Vinifera:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...80027711_n.jpg

New luxury duty free shopping (long time coming, thanks Pearson)

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...68089619_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...01924765_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...99586718_n.jpg

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...36735372_n.jpg

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...87194207_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...71522107_n.jpg

Acer:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...43900044_n.jpg

Heirloom:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...19851691_n.jpg

Nobel:

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...05639805_n.jpg

Marathi:

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...73367891_n.jpg

There were numerous other restaurants and smaller shops opened in the last few months (too many to post) but the change is dramatic.

As for major developments, T1 still has a bit of capacity left until further construction is needed. Based on yyzhyd on SSC - the GTAA is planning to scuttle the original expansion plan of T1 and focus on another hammerhead type pier (like Pier F) for all non-Star Alliance/Air Canada flights. This would be an international pier for non-aligned carriers. Pier F would presumably be refitted to provide a Star Alliance/Air Canada focus as it would be the primary base for this airline's operations (goes in tandem with AC's announcement to massively increase its present at YYZ and turn it into its global hub.. which I'm pretty sure it is already...)

To close it off - some ramp photos again from GTAA's FB page:

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...30559386_n.jpg

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...44260662_n.jpg

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...51790157_n.jpg

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...93014209_n.jpg

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...42716581_n.jpg

SkahHigh Jan 21, 2014 2:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by esquire (Post 6412093)
It still blows my mind that one of the biggest and best airports in Canada just sits there pretty much abandoned, aside from maybe a handful of freight and aerospace industry users. And to think that what was built was just the initial phase of what was supposed to be a much larger project.

What a waste of land and money it is... Plus, it'll never handle passengers again.

Trudeau is near perfect for Montreal. It is only 20 kilometers away from Downtown and still has enough land left to expand. With proximity to the Vaudreuil-Hudson Line, there is possibility of implanting a rail shuttle to Dorval Station with commuter rail frequency every 15 minutes.

With all the current and future expansions, Trudeau is good for another 20 years. After that, there is still room for expansion.

YYCguys Jan 21, 2014 5:05 PM

flipv, thank you for the information about T1. Very exciting news for users of T1! I wonder about what will be done for T3, which seems to have been forgotten in expansion plans. It is terribly overcrowded (especially the transborder side), dated looking, and down right boring. Do you have any information in that regards?

flipv Jan 21, 2014 5:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 6415769)
flipv, thank you for the information about T1. Very exciting news for users of T1! I wonder about what will be done for T3, which seems to have been forgotten in expansion plans. It is terribly overcrowded (especially the transborder side), dated looking, and down right boring. Do you have any information in that regards?

T3 is getting a similar dining upgrade (most of it implemented already), and apparently word is a similar retail upgrade is in the works (luxury shops, etc).

As for expansion, I doubt T3 will get any.

My thoughts are, once T1 is further expanded - T3 will be used solely for Westjet, charters and holiday destination flights. Possibly some transborder as well.

The rest of the international carriers (Air France, KLM, British Airways, etc) that are part of another alliance or are non-aligned will be moved to the expanded T1.

YYCguys Jan 21, 2014 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flipv (Post 6415851)
T3 will be used solely for Westjet, charters and holiday destination flights. Possibly some transborder as well.

Westjet has tons of transborder flights, so I hope that all of Westjet's operations would be concentrated into the same terminal! Westjet also has lots of codeshares with the likes of AF, BA, etc so I would hope those codeshare partners would be allowed to reside in the same terminal as Westjet.

caltrane74 Jan 23, 2014 3:21 AM

History of Airport Expansion at Pearson International Airport previously Malton Airport

http://airchive.com/blog/wp-content/...4/01/yvr25.jpg

History of Pearson International Airport

Terminal 1 | Now Demolished, you can see it's footprint in the photo above with the blackened runway, taxiway area

http://airchive.com/blog/wp-content/.../4-300x183.png

Terminal 3

http://airchive.com/blog/wp-content/...39-300x224.jpg



January 21st, 2014

Quote:

In 2001, T3 eventually became the Eastern Canada hub for Westjet Airlines, and the YYZ home for Oneworld and SkyTeam international airlines.
The Greater Toronto Airports Authority (GTAA) took over management of YYZ in the mid-1990s from government agency Transport Canada, and continued to develop the airport’s Master Plan. The GTAA proposed to replace both the Aeroquay and Terminal 2 with a single unified terminal, which along with Terminal 3 would accommodate up to 50 million passengers per year. Along with a huge number of airside improvements, this new terminal was planned to take YYZ through to 2030. We’ll look at this next phase of YYZ’s development in Part Two of our story.
Read More Here History of Pearson International Airport

eemy Jan 23, 2014 3:25 AM

When I was a kid, we would sometimes drive to the top of the old T1 when we were in Toronto to watch all the planes. Fond memories!

Chadillaccc Jan 23, 2014 3:46 AM

Can't wait to see what Calgary's new 2 million square foot terminal is going to look like in person!

Here's a construction update! :)

http://www.cfms-alberta.com/wp-conte...oads/IFP-1.jpg
http://www.cfms-alberta.com/portfoli...ional-airport/
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5544/1...03013189_b.jpg
http://globalnews.ca/news/989093/gal...rminal/port11/
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5533/1...ce2cb723_b.jpg
YYC by Chadillaccc, on Flickr




and a render showing the scope of the project that I've never seen before...

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5497/1...883235b0_b.jpg

caltrane74 Jan 23, 2014 3:57 AM

That airport configuration does not look like it maximizes space for expansion. Look at the Pearson photo above and you can see massive expansion slots for Terminal One to both the East and Northwest.

The Calgary airport looks like an future expansion would require a rebuild of the brand new terminal presently under construction. They should build a U shape that you can expand to infinitude. What is the capacity of that new terminal?

MTLskyline Jan 23, 2014 3:58 AM

I'm jealous of the Calgary expansion. I love terminals with high ceilings and lots of natural light.

One of my main complaints about Trudeau Airport is that the ceilings are low in most places (it feels like a basement or something), and there should be a lot more natural light than there currently is.

On a side note, there will be a new Panama City-Montreal service by Copa Airlines starting this June.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cop...k=MW_news_stmp

Chadillaccc Jan 23, 2014 4:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caltrane74 (Post 6418579)
That airport configuration does not look like it maximizes space for expansion. Look at the Pearson photo above and you can see massive expansion slots for Terminal One to both the East and Northwest.

The Calgary airport looks like an future expansion would require a rebuild of the brand new terminal presently under construction. They should build a U shape that you can expand to infinitude. What is the capacity of that new terminal?

I'm not sure what the capacity will be, but I know it will have 5 levels and 22 new gates, including 2 two-storey gates to accommodate the A380 Superjumbo. Their website says they have taken the need for future expansion into consideration in the design, so I'm sure it will be fine. It's an entirely new terminal, not demolishing our old one. There is still tons of space. Here is a different view:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...r7/Runway1.jpg

YYCguys Jan 23, 2014 4:22 AM

Thanks caltrane74, for the history on YYZ. It was a very interesting read and enjoyed seeing the pictures!

I wonder if T1 and T3 in Toronto will, in the future, be physically connected somehow or if they will remain separate buildings.

caltrane74 Jan 23, 2014 4:34 AM

Terminal 3 and Terminal 1 can be connected, by the expansion of Terminal 1 to the northwest. The expansion of Terminal 1 following the U shape into the empty space between the two massive terminals. Terminal 1 can also be expanded to the east as you can see another huge empty slot on the eastern flank of the building.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r...tled-1copy.jpg

They are also connected by the "People Mover"

casper Jan 23, 2014 4:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 6416486)
Westjet has tons of transborder flights, so I hope that all of Westjet's operations would be concentrated into the same terminal! Westjet also has lots of codeshares with the likes of AF, BA, etc so I would hope those codeshare partners would be allowed to reside in the same terminal as Westjet.

I would be surprised to see WestJet and their partners separated into different terminals.

Westjet has extensive codeshares with American and Delta. AF, BA, and a host of others codeshare on Westjet to provide domestic connection onto their international flights.

What is more likely is for Air Canada and Star Alliance partners to stay in terminal 1 and WestJet and their partners to stay in terminal 3. All the charter airlines get fit into where every there is space.

Chadillaccc Jan 23, 2014 4:55 AM

Oh jesus! I had no idea Pearson was expanding. I was just there like a couple weeks ago! So piers H and G will be brand new? I'm not sure why that graphic makes it look like all of terminal 1 is brand new though.

caltrane74 Jan 23, 2014 4:56 AM

Not expanding anytime soon. But it has expansion capacity if required.

Chadillaccc Jan 23, 2014 4:58 AM

Okay. That graphic, and its dates, are completely misleading then.

As you can see in the graphic I showed, YYC obviously has a massive amount of space for future expansion as well.

WhipperSnapper Jan 23, 2014 5:20 AM

The graphic dates from when terminal 1 was under development. The next expansion will be post 2015; maybe post 2020 too.

caltrane74 Jan 23, 2014 9:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chadillaccc (Post 6418590)
I'm not sure what the capacity will be, but I know it will have 5 levels and 22 new gates, including 2 two-storey gates to accommodate the A380 Superjumbo. Their website says they have taken the need for future expansion into consideration in the design, so I'm sure it will be fine. It's an entirely new terminal, not demolishing our old one. There is still tons of space. Here is a different view:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y11...r7/Runway1.jpg

Ok, I get it. I thought the pier/finger was the whole airport. So yes, it's just like Pearson has lots of room to expand.

isaidso Jan 23, 2014 10:29 AM

Looks like they have tons more room to expand than Pearson. They could eventually have 2 full length runways on either side of the terminal and enlarge the present terminal to about 4 times its current size.

isaidso Jan 23, 2014 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caltrane74 (Post 6418636)
Not expanding anytime soon. But it has expansion capacity if required.

And Pearson's Terminal 3 will eventually be demolished so that Terminal 1 can be extended all the way down to where it currently exists. We'll end up with one mega terminal.

Dalreg Jan 23, 2014 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by isaidso (Post 6418791)
Looks like they have tons more room to expand than Pearson. They could eventually have 2 full length runways on either side of the terminal and enlarge the present terminal to about 4 times its current size.

No chance of that happening. The urban build up is a lot closer than that image shows...


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