I think the shadows hysteria is overblown. First, I don't think it would be as bad as expected considering the sun and shadows move throughout the day. Second, there are already huge shadows in Central Park. If they don't want these buildings the city is going to have to tear down all the skyscrapers that are already there causing problems, that's the only way to fix the problem. After all it is a park...
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bah, this discussion is sort of irrelevant. like, my point is that barnett and others who are pushing the limits are guiding the city to a huge backlash by new yorkers, it's just plain statement of fact. cheering for this building - the 2013-2017 equivalent of the trump towers of the 1980s and 1990s - is like cheering for a huge (figurative) vortex in the center of the city.
also, bringing up shadow diagrams is pretty unconvincing, not only do those seem disingenuous, but it's only the start, which is the point of restrictions. like, does a tall streetwall along the southern park justify a darkened park? seems crazy even to try to defend something like that |
I love how the shadow comparison is for a few hours during the longest day of the year. No, they don't have any agenda, at all. lol Honestly, I can't take it seriously, so I'm not even angry.
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Do the shadow concerns have anything to do with tree health?
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Making an argument for the sake of making an argument . . . that's all that 'shadow' article is. You have to anticipate some form of opposition, so there you go. The argument comes across weak, desperate and tired to me.
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And as you can see from their own graphics, there's virtually no difference between before and after... http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...s25n-3-web.jpg And all of that other green colored space? That's park too. http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...adows-1124.jpg So, if I'm walking through the park, and I happen to come upon a sliver of shade (which is welcome on the hot summer days btw), I won't freak out. Quote:
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/153929114/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/153929113/original.jpg And with sensible arguments like this one, the backlash against the backlash has begun. Quote:
Extell spoke about the "controversy".... http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/12/...-central-park/ Growing City Skyline Could Bring Dark Days To Central Park http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.co...0&h=349&crop=1 December 26, 2013 Quote:
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But think of the children!!! Think of the trees which will die and central park will become a toxic waste dump!!! The animals in the zoo will all suffer from these horrible shadows!!! I want more services and a better quality of life without any tax increases and no development damnit!!!
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Less skin cancer.
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More pushback against the ridiculousness of the shadow people...
http://therealdeal.com/blog/2013/12/...ecture-review/ Kimmelman in the dark about Central Park’s skyscraper problem December 27, 2013 By James Gardner Quote:
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[QUOTE=NYguy;6386501]Barnett could go higher if he wanted to. It's all a matter of design.
as a result he can can make this tower above 500 m i am right ?? |
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December 28, 2013 http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/153958222/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/153958223/original.jpg Maybe Santa left a little surprise for us, design being of most importance. |
ls this an organized effort to block these buildings from being built? l've noticed in this forum there has been an increase of discussion about shadows so l wondered.
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No, it's too late for that. It's an effort by the MAS to get the City to start rethinking the "as of right" developments. They want all buildings that will be as tall as these towers to go through the City's approval process (ULURP). Of all the towers, only the Tower Verre had to, and we know how that turned out. http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/153981356/original.jpg http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/153981357/original.jpg |
Will the city do such a thing? I hope not.
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