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I was being a bit sarcastic because live streaming is often cited as the reason TV ratings are so low for certain teams in other sports.
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I looked at the ratings from previous Grey Cups...Calgary and Ottawa's match from 2 years ago also had lower ratings. I think there is some fatigue from seeing Calgary in the Grey Cup so many times in recent years. Additionally I think these are two of the smallest tv viewing audiences in the league.
Let's be honest though - the game was poor and kinda boring with one memorable play in the entire 60 minutes. A lot of the blame has to go to those responsible for the turf. There was no reason for it to be in the terrible condition it was in for the Grey Cup. Players could not really play to their full potential. When Regina and Winnipeg were Grey Cup hosts, the conditions of the field were quite good. I don't think the organizers have any legit excuses as they were given all the time in the world to prep the field. Bush League. |
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Previous Grey Cup Ratings: Year: West/East...............TSN/RDS.......(TOTAL) 2012: Calgary/Toronto......5.5M/300K.....(5.8M) 2013: Sask/Hamilton........4.5M/???K.....(4.5M) 2014: Calgary/Hamilton....3.8M/251K....(4.1M) 2015: Edmonton/Ottawa...4.1M/230K....(4.3M) 2016: Calgary/Ottawa.......3.6M/254K....(3.9M) 2017: Calgary/Toronto......4.1M/220K....(4.3M) 2018: Calgary/Ottawa.......3.1M/???K....(3.1M) Numbers courtesy Bell, cfldb |
Interesting that the Ottawa Redblacks being in the Grey Cup seems to have zero bearing on RDS' ratings for it.
Of course, most Franco-Ontarians in Ottawa and a decent-sized minority of people in Gatineau watch on TSN, I gather. Though my friends in Gatineau who watched the Grey Cup did so on RDS, and sports bars here all had it on RDS. |
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Would love to know how they got that data. I can't think of a single Millennial I know who cares about the league. Then again a 5% jump would be very easy if the numbers are already rock bottom. It's harder to fluctuate numbers like that if you have larger numbers of fans. |
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This is from an article this week: “That’s not going to be a surprise to anybody,” said Derek Mager, the managing partner at research and consultancy group The Data Jungle, who has worked with nearly every team in the CFL. “You saw the CFL as a league trying to rebrand and remarket itself a few years ago, and they’ve been trying for a while. “I think one of their tag lines a few years back was ‘this isn’t your grandfather’s league anymore.’ There’s been a push to try and refill that funnel.” ... “The demographic is still older, but a larger, younger audience are NFL fans as opposed to CFL fans,” said Mager." “Football is on the decline, and I could start with the Lions and the CFL. You just look at the people in the stands, and they’re all 60 and over. They’ve disengaged … they’re not connected with the youth. ... “And as a result of that, the stands were full and there were lots of kids there … and all those kids now are old and they’re still there. They’re missing the young group that’s coming in.” Emphasis added mine. https://montrealgazette.com/sports/f...3-f85cd1927eca Anything we provide from personal experience is going to be anecdotal but I can't help but notice most of the time when I see people wearing REDBLACKS merch around town they're usually 50+. It's enough of a trend that it sticks out quite a bit if you look for it. |
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I think CFL should try playing their playoffs on Saturdays again, and maybe try the Grey Cup as well - just to avoid going head-to-head with the NFL. I know as soon as the NFL regular season starts up, they go out of their way to avoid the competition - so it might be best to avoid them here as well. |
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I would imagine that if TSN concluded that it would be better off with a Saturday Grey Cup, it would happen tout suite. |
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And of course HNIC has "night" in the name. The western playoff game should be over by the time the puck is dropped for the early game. And if they are worried about that they could just move the eastern game to noon and the western game to 3:30. |
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I did that wood patio thing at a REDBLACKS game this season and although most of the people on the patio were under 40 it is also true that most weren't there for football. Good excuse to drink with something going on in the background. Tickets were free, too, which wasn't too bad. :tup: Argos crowds were a similar makeup to REDBLACKS, IMO, just half the size. |
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We were a bunch of 40-something guys, next to us was a rough-looking guy about our age with his wife. Behind us were people in their 50s. In front of me was dad about our age with his son about 10 years old. And next over in our row were some Indo-Canadian guys who looked to be university-aged. |
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Regardless it's all anecdotal. ------------- Grey Cup had 200K viewers on ESPN2 in the US. http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/article...1-25-2018.html |
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And so these 60 year olds who are CFL fans today were in their 30s in the 1980s when the Big CFL Turn-Off happened for many Canadian sports fans. Most people who were around as a fan in the golden era of the CFL, pre-decline (the 60s and 70s) are in their 70s and 80s today. The bunch of guys I went to the eastern final with are all CFL fans (most don't even follow the NFL) and they were in their teens when the CFL tanked in the 1980s. The CFL has always attracted *some* new fans, even during its darkest years. Though perhaps it's attracting less and less of them, but of this I am not sure. As I've mentioned before I think there is a slow but steady overall decline in pro sports fandom among young males, and this is affecting most sports. Even the big guys. |
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Again, getting into the anecdotes here, but I know a lot of guys who like football. Some like CFL only, some like NFL only, most watch both to varying degrees. But the only guys I know who have more than a passing interest in NCAA football tend to be a tiny group of the most hardcore - these are the guys who are either coaching high school teams, playing in adult flag football leagues, reffing or doing something else that goes beyond merely watching on TV as a fan. And those guys are generally watching CFL and NFL too. Quote:
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I know if I wanted to watch them, I could catch about 5 games every Saturday with my extremely basic cable package. |
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Here's a pretty infographic to distract: https://assets1.sportsnet.ca/wp-cont...GENERATION.jpg https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...avent-changed/ Quote:
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That's a very interesting graphic.
If results from Quebec only were extracted, baseball would be lower, basketball would be ever lower than it already is, and soccer and tennis would be a tad higher. Auto racing (F1) and combat sports (boxing, UFC) didn't even merit their own column but I bet they would in a Quebec-only graphic. |
^ I find it peculiar that curling is omitted from that infographic... it has a considerable following compared to fairly marginal pursuits like rugby, cycling and cricket.
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And its a Sportsnet sponsored poll, which means they would have skewed the questions heavily towards hockey.:runaway:
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The SN logo plastered onto a graphic with strong stats for hockey and soccer wasn't lost on me, either, though. :hmmm: |
Generally speaking, when allowing for multiple responses, for Canada in general hockey comes in around 40-50%, football 25-30%, baseball in the 15% range and soccer and basketball around 10% or just under.
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The Big 4 leagues are pricing themselves out of the market. It was once an 'Average Joe' thing, but is becoming less that every year. The rot starts to happen when people stop watching the TV broadcasts. Given the young people are cutting the cord on paid TV and pro sports is moving towards dedicated sports channels (and subscriptions), it doesn't paint a great picture. If you want to go to a game, tickets are $100+ per seat, unless you're somewhere where nobody cares and can get tickets cheap. |
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In some respects it's a small miracle that attendance is still as high as it is though, considering that the at-home experience has never been better with big-screen HDTV feeds being pretty much the default these days and 4K starting to become common, while game tickets are more expensive than ever. I have partial season ticket packages for the Jets and Blue Bombers and although I enjoy the experience of being in the stands, it is a million times easier and more convenient, not to mention way cheaper, to sit at home and watch on TV. Sometimes I wonder why I bother spending money on game tickets... |
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We're getting to the point where young people aren't even cutting cords because they have no cords to cut - people who have grown up without cable whatsoever and rely nearly exclusively on internet/streaming. If leagues can't get on top of this (the MLB has been particularly good at getting online) then they'll be left behind. For sports teams, as long as there are enough wealthier people in the venue (boxes, premium seats, etc.) then it's fine. A team can make off of one premium seat what they make off of ten cheap seats over the course of a year. It's why new arena and stadium builds are being downsized and why ticket scarcity is a better issue to have than ticket supply. Group sales and corporate packages are the name of the game. :tup: Quote:
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If your sport is boring, or slow, or monotonous, it likely doesn't have much of a future. Looking at you, Golf and NASCAR. |
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The Big 3 automakers had that complacent point of view too, until it all came crashing down. I don't think the Big 4 leagues will be anywhere near as dire as the automakers, but I don't think they should be overly confident either. |
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It is definitely not written in stone that third liners will continue to command millions a year until the end of time. |
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Like it could be a house of cards, or a balloon that keeps inflating and inflating... until one day it pops. I have teens and while there are still lots of boys interested in pro sports, the percentage is stil *way* lower than when I was a kid. When it was basically everyone. With only a very small number of outliers. Obviously, some of those interested were pretending just to be part of the crowd. But today there is just a huge demographic of young males who have zero interest in pro sports. Not that I care either way - but if I were involved in that business I'd keep an eye on the growing mass of indifferents. |
I am curious to see how much the e-sports phenomenon will grow among younger generations. I hear it is a billion dollar industry already.
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Last night's win over the Warriors was the most-watched Raptors regular season game ever on TSN with 564K viewers. 1.9 million Canadians tuned in to some part of the game. The previous most-watched reg season game was last month's opener (528K). The Kawhi effect is real. |
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While I can appreciate that Raptors fans are excited, I am not sure what the Great Canadian Sports Achievement is here. OK, so the Raptors have good attendance and increasing TV ratings. They play in the best league in the world in their sport that also happens to be entirely U.S.-based except for them. They play in a huge city and metro area with lots of disposable income. They benefit from the U.S. media machine and the popularity of the NBA among many celebrities popular with young people, *plus* their home city is the centre of the Canadian media that has decent audiences in the vast majority of the country? I mean, how could they not be a successful pro sports property? But getting excited about this as a uniquely Canadian success story is about the same as getting excited because millions of Canadians went to see the latest Marvel superhero blockbuster at their local Canadian-owned multiplexes. Yeah for us! |
^ For all the relentless dumping on the CFL by JHikka, his own numbers demonstrate the CFL's value to TSN.
I mean, Canada's largest city has one of the top teams in the NBA, and their marquee record-setting-ratings matchup against a star-studded Golden State team with untold millions of dollars in basketball talent on the court delivers to TSN roughly the same kind of viewership as a Montreal Alouettes-Edmonton Eskimos game (week 10). The latter probably dwarfs the Raptors viewership once you factor in the Als fans watching the French feed on RDS. |
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As I said it's all perception, the CFL is competing against it's own history, that Raptors number is a triumph for them but the start of a death knell for the CFL. What I can't understand is why a few here so gleefully campaign to try and kill about the only true national league we have in favour of foreign products. I just don't know how or why that is hurting them. |
NBA-Raptors fans in Canada are all (apparently) young and diverse, so perhaps the bulk of their viewers are streaming cord-cutters, and don't show up in TSN's numbers?
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Interesting how I can post NBA numbers and the discussion still ends up being about the CFL. :hmmm:
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Secondly, CFL teams play a limited number of games per year compared to an NHL or NBA team. The Raptors play 82 games in a regular season, so there's plenty more space for ads and ad placements as a whole regardless of viewers. Even if the Raptors average slightly less viewers than the Argos on TSN they're playing four times as many games. The Raptors play as many games as the CFL does as a whole which equates to an equal sponsorship plate for advertisers. It's a very simplistic way of looking at things if you're assuming TV ratings are the end-all, be-all of a team's popularity or economic well-being. This isn't the 1980s anymore. Quote:
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