At least they have a port o potty on site. It's what, about 12 feet tall?
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I expect that 80 South would challange the WTC more than this one, but yeah, 45 Broad will definitely be noticeable, bringing more of a focal point back towards the financial district classics. |
Often I wonder how the twins would have looked on today's skyline (any artists out there feel free to give us all a look!), with Goldman Sachs' building and the several residential near supertalls, especially the Gehry.
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I have a feeling the Goldman Sachs site was initially earmarked for the World Product Center before 9/11 pushed that project back, to the Yards whereupon it was ultimately cancelled.
Would have made sense to have the WTC, WFC and WPC close together. |
If I was going to build in Manhattan, it would be the at the highest point, the least likely spot to be affected by rising seas. Downtown Manhattan is not that place.
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I wonder though if Bank of America would have built there own tower had they never lost their space at the WTC. An interesting coincidence, Conde Nast moved from Midtown out of their original to the WTC and Bank of America was once at the WTC and moved to Midtown then building their own tower (One Bryant Park). Also interesting that with all that said how both 4 Times Square and One Bryant Park sit right next to each other. Seems like an ongoing game of tug of war between Midtown and Downtown regard to all the different tenants. |
If 9/11 hadn't happened I would imagine that NYC would have something around 2000 ft tall by now. I would also imagine that 9/11 stunted skyscraper development in Manhattan for many years. The economy may have been much stronger also up til the current day as the government wouldn't be wasting trillions on pointless never ending wars.
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Although it's almost a couple years old, this article does a great job shedding some light on a few things. Even back in the 1990's the area was having issues it seems: https://nypost.com/2017/11/25/how-lo...lf-after-9-11/ |
I was checking the CTBUH and they are classifying it as "on hold".
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The last update via the 45 Broad Construction Update;
SUMMARY Over the past three weeks, we’ve been surveying and reviewing the site. WEEKS OF 10/14 + 10/21 + 10/28 We will be coordinating foundation work with contractor, subcontractor and design professionals. There will be no active construction work during this period. Lots of coordination occurring. :shrug: This was last updated on 10/14/2019. |
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Great details about the background of this building and why it seems to be progressing so slowly... so much detail to get around but no doubt in the coming year as we start to see tangible progress it will be well worth the wait!
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Yeah I think its going to turn out okay. I think we are just all being impatient. Remember how long 111 W 57th took. But I cant blame folks for being impatient (I'm one of them) because 45 Broad is stunning. Either if the design with the external bracing or not rises, its still stunning in every aspect.
But its definitely assuring if it starts within the next 6 months. Some of us get paranoid thinking about the market outlook when it comes to towers like this considering the shenanigans going on with One Manhattan Square and the LES towers. I'm hoping its just administrative roadblocks or lag-time as opposed to market related risk mitigation. |
In my part of Italy, "pizzarot" is a colloquial term meaning a bumbling simpleton.
Just thought I'd throw that out there. |
Via 45 Broad Update:
WEEKS OF 11/4 + 11/8 + 11/15 We will be coordinating foundation work with contractor, subcontractor and design professionals. There will be no active construction work during this period. Same stuff as in October. |
I bet 3 years from now it'll say the exact same thing, and the site will look exactly the same
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I think Macklowe should buy this site and build his 1,500+ tower here, or maybe 2WTC since I'm convinced neither will see the sight of day at this point.
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Hell no lol. Lower Manhattan is the aesthetic pinnacle of what is Manhattans skyline. Midtown is nice, but aesthetically, downtown is the image of the city. Can't have the obese 432 Park clone with an axe to the face built there. Would really stand out. Not enough height and mass to block it out. |
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I think downtown needs something in the 12-1500 foot range to complement the WTC. |
I guess we'll have to put this thread to sleep since all we seem to get is ridiculous speculation.
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Noticed changes in the Schedule A, now we know why...
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Well at least we know its not being shelved, which is great. When the time comes, the right market conditions, hopefully it will sprout. I think on a tower of this caliber, its worth the wait. But until than, so many things rising to keep us busy.
Site prep is pretty much done, any potential demo complete, so now we wait. |
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This and 80 South Street. Bummer. :(
I'm kind of tired of Midtown getting all the action too! Really an unfortunate event that is a byproduct of the success of the city. The last 4-5 years have been a tremendous period in which the ultra luxury sector boomed. |
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Downtown just can't catch a break.
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So apparently I'm finding out that there was some bs reporting going on and that there is no official proof that the tower will be shorter. Possibly a reporting error for the media.
This tower is indeed on hold, but the height being lower once it resumes construction looks like it might be bs. The FAA expiration on a side note is coming up this June in 2020, so well see if they will reapply for a renewed permit by that time. 1035 ft figure is very questionable. |
Keep the Faith on this one people . .
this one will happen, & hopefully give downtown a jolt . . & me, (us), some real spook to absorb . . curious about what chris said a few posts back about an " obese 432 Park clone with an axe to the face " image . . What building are you referencing, Chris ? |
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I checked the 45 Broad updates, and nothing. Last update was in November 2019.
Tried to dig up any relevant info, but nothing at the moment. No luck with the phone number either for 45 Broad Updates (goes to voicemail) - 45broadstreet@gmail.com | (707) 732-4518. Still on-hold per CTBUH. No recent filings per NY DOB. |
wow wonder what that means they're doing here
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That sounds like good news? :shrug:
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^ Sorry folks, that’s meant for the Spiral.
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Once the ultra-luxury sector has more life in it, this will rise. Risk management per say from the developer. We just gotta wait, thats all. Plenty to handle at the moment.
No updates via the 45 Broad resource as of today. |
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^ Nice. It’ll be a while before we see this, but worth the wait.
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If this is what gets built, and it isn't watered down, I'll be amazed and joyous. This is what a timeless design is, this will resist feeling dated
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45 Broad Street Supertall Remains On Hold In Financial District
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Its been a while... so I checked the official 45 broad update... and none... none at all. Or at least nothing worth screaming to wake up the neighbors in a manic frenzy as you speak in tongues to the mighty skyscraper gods (Barnett and Stern with their apostles, Shop Architects) and sacrifice your cat as a bloodlust offering.... none of that... but... there's this;
Last update covered; WEEKS OF 11/22 + 11/29 + 12/6 " We will be coordinating foundation work with contractor, subcontractor and design professionals. There will be no active construction work during this period. " Same jargon used a year ago. Eh... worth checking every few months. I sent an email to the 45 Broad team a few months ago, and nothing from them. So either they are dead or somewhere in the spam folder, next to the testosterone pill ad. |
Don't expect anything to be happening on the site for a while.
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Does this thing still have a chance? |
Once market conditions improve.
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I read in either the NY Times or WSJ that this project has been canceled. Can anyone confirm?
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