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jawagord Feb 24, 2021 1:49 PM

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Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 9198904)
I don’t get travellers’ griping. Some chose to leave, for non essential travel, and shouldn’t have the right to complain about the consequences. I haven’t travelled for non essential reasons for more than a year, and I will remain at home until the travel advisory is lifted to keep myself, my loved ones, and everyone whom I may encounter in my daily life, safe.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/canad...6-150248320625

International air passengers grumble as they're forced into quarantine hotels on new rule's first day
'I don’t think it’s necessary' was a common sentiment Monday as Canada put into motion one of its most dramatic COVID-19 measures yet

Author of the article:Tom Blackwell
Publishing date:Feb 22, 2021

Michelle Fernandes could almost see her home from the steps of the Sheraton Four Points hotel near Toronto Pearson International Airport on Monday.

She had flown all the way from New Delhi that morning, but lives nearby in Mississauga, the suburban municipality where Pearson is located.


Yet instead of heading to her house, she was checking into an airport hotel, becoming one of the first international air travellers required to quarantine in government-sanctioned accommodations for her first three days in Canada.

Lugging three hefty suitcases after a months-long visit with relatives in India, the policy didn’t seem to make sense to Fernandes.....

I haven’t read a good review of this program. Pilots, flight attendants, diplomats, healthcare workers, children travelling alone, everyone that was previously exempt ......... are not required to quarantine. It’s another leaky sieve program from our federal government.

Those who don’t find a loophole will be forced to oblige by Canada’s half-baked, leaky and largely performative three-day hotel program, which is at once not strict enough to meaningfully control the potential influx of infection but still intrusive enough to raise serious constitutional questions, particularly amid a lack of public-health evidence for its construction. This program might be successful in deterring a few spur-of-the-moment trips to Palm Springs, but based on its many apparent opportunities for contagion, that might be about all it will do.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...nd-half-baked/

Pegasus Feb 24, 2021 7:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jawagord (Post 9199362)
I haven’t read a good review of this program. Pilots, flight attendants, diplomats, healthcare workers, children travelling alone, everyone that was previously exempt ......... are not required to quarantine. It’s another leaky sieve program from our federal government.

Those who don’t find a loophole will be forced to oblige by Canada’s half-baked, leaky and largely performative three-day hotel program, which is at once not strict enough to meaningfully control the potential influx of infection but still intrusive enough to raise serious constitutional questions, particularly amid a lack of public-health evidence for its construction. This program might be successful in deterring a few spur-of-the-moment trips to Palm Springs, but based on its many apparent opportunities for contagion, that might be about all it will do.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...nd-half-baked/

There is a huge difference between essential and none-essential travel (though I concede there is a "grey" area). Look at the low infection rates among truck drivers and flight crews compared to vacationers returning from Mexico. Anybody who embarks on non-essential travel (vacation, visiting relatives, mental break, etc) should not complain if their plans are disrupted. In the middle of a world-wide pandemic travellers should expect that flights could be cancelled with little or no notice, travel restrictions might be imposed, and quarantine requirements changed - all at their cost. They travel "because they can" (for now) and then complain about the consequences as the situation (predictably) changes.

Quarantine (even "half-baked") not only helps minimized spread from overseas, but also discourages non-essential travel (also minimizing spread). The latter could be more effective than the former!

Dominion301 Feb 24, 2021 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YYCguys (Post 9198904)
I don’t get travellers’ griping. Some chose to leave, for non essential travel, and shouldn’t have the right to complain about the consequences. I haven’t travelled for non essential reasons for more than a year, and I will remain at home until the travel advisory is lifted to keep myself, my loved ones, and everyone whom I may encounter in my daily life, safe.

https://calgaryherald.com/news/canad...6-150248320625

International air passengers grumble as they're forced into quarantine hotels on new rule's first day
'I don’t think it’s necessary' was a common sentiment Monday as Canada put into motion one of its most dramatic COVID-19 measures yet

Author of the article:Tom Blackwell
Publishing date:Feb 22, 2021

Michelle Fernandes could almost see her home from the steps of the Sheraton Four Points hotel near Toronto Pearson International Airport on Monday.

She had flown all the way from New Delhi that morning, but lives nearby in Mississauga, the suburban municipality where Pearson is located.


Yet instead of heading to her house, she was checking into an airport hotel, becoming one of the first international air travellers required to quarantine in government-sanctioned accommodations for her first three days in Canada.

Lugging three hefty suitcases after a months-long visit with relatives in India, the policy didn’t seem to make sense to Fernandes.....

All I can say is cry me a river. The gov't has 'strongly encouraged' Canadians for almost a year to not travel internationally, and have repeatedly said that measures can toughen at a moment's notice. People are in favour of a measure until reality sets in and they realize it actually applies them.

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Originally Posted by Pegasus (Post 9199817)
There is a huge difference between essential and none-essential travel (though I concede there is a "grey" area). Look at the low infection rates among truck drivers and flight crews compared to vacationers returning from Mexico. Anybody who embarks on non-essential travel (vacation, visiting relatives, mental break, etc) should not complain if their plans are disrupted. In the middle of a world-wide pandemic travellers should expect that flights could be cancelled with little or no notice, travel restrictions might be imposed, and quarantine requirements changed - all at their cost. They travel "because they can" (for now) and then complain about the consequences as the situation (predictably) changes.

Quarantine (even "half-baked") not only helps minimized spread from overseas, but also discourages non-essential travel (also minimizing spread). The latter could be more effective than the former!

Indeed. The primary purpose of the new measures is the latter. The gov't constitutionally can't stop people from travelling internationally, but their goal of making it as unappetizing and unappealing as possible is working. That in-turn reduces spread. I'm tired of the 'yeah but it's only 2% due to travellers' nonsense. Internationally travellers brought it to Canada and then it spread like wildfire 850,000 (confirmed) cases later...let alone the other +million unconfirmed.

Dominion301 Feb 24, 2021 10:55 PM

YEG getting $18M in gov't funding to expand cargo ops as part of the National Trade Corridors Fund with TC: https://www.miragenews.com/canada-in...ucture-519150/

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The project involves:

-Expanding the airport’s Apron 7 by 47,000 square metres to accommodate two additional wide-body aircraft parking positions, including a new connection between the runway and apron.
-Installing a new hydrant fueling system connected to Shell Aviation’s new cargo fuel farm, which will reduce fuel trucks on Apron 7 and improve turn-around times.
-Building 1,400 square metresof cold storage and equipment in the international cargo area to store temperature sensitive and perishable export products.

Dominion301 Feb 24, 2021 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hollywoodcory (Post 9198826)
United has updated its Canadian routes right through Summer, and even completely removing several routes

Planned to resume in June:
YYC-ORD
YYC-IAH
YOW-IAD
YOW-ORD
YUL-IAD
YUL-ORD
YUL-EWR
YYZ-EWR
YYZ-IAD
YYZ-IAH
YVR-IAH

Completely removed until the end of October:
YYC-SFO
YEG-IAH
YEG-DEN
YVR-DEN
YVR-EWR
YVR-LAX
YHZ-ORD
YHZ-EWR
YQB-EWR
YWG-ORD
YWG-DEN

YQB-ORD appears back in September for now.

So only YOW has scheduled service outside of the "big 4" this Summer currently on UA.

A couple of these routes like YHZ-ORD are summer-seasonal. So they're not surprisingly even going to bother trying before summer 2022. We'll see if YOW does indeed come back in June...or if YOW will even be allowed to welcome UA back in June.

Dominion301 Feb 26, 2021 12:43 AM

The following article gives a bit of a sneak peek at the future AC 767 freighter plans. A fleet of 7.

https://www.stattimes.com/news/air-c...ers-air-cargo/

thenoflyzone Feb 26, 2021 3:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dominion301 (Post 9201170)
The following article gives a bit of a sneak peek at the future AC 767 freighter plans. A fleet of 7.

https://www.stattimes.com/news/air-c...ers-air-cargo/

Seems the cargo planes will have a different livery. Will be interesting to see how good it is.

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This is not an opportunistic play. It was in the works for quite some time. It just happens to fall at a time when there is a massive capacity crunch.
I have a hard time believing that. Especially when 2017-18-19 wasn't all that stellar for air freight.

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It is an exciting opportunity and we are thrilled that we have been given these aircraft and we are going to make the best of it in the next decade or more.
Again, I have my doubts. Once the passenger numbers (and therefore belly cargo) starts creeping up and overall cargo capacity starts getting ahead of demand once again, watch them drop those old 767s faster than you can say Milli Vanilli.

I think these all cargo 767s might stick around for 3-5 years, tops. After that, they will be returned to the lessor. Regardless of what Berry is saying, this is purely an opportunistic play. Nothing more. And that opportunity will fade in a few years.

wave46 Feb 26, 2021 3:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9201563)
Again, I have my doubts. Once the passenger numbers (and therefore belly cargo) starts creeping up and overall cargo capacity starts getting ahead of demand, watch them drop those old 767s faster than you can say Milli Vanilli.

I think these all cargo 767s might stick around for 3-5 years, tops. After that, they will be returned to the lessor.

Those 767s are getting up there in age, most of them are >20 years old.

Might as well squeeze the last of the mileage out of them until they become somebody else's freighters or parts.

I'm mostly surprised they didn't jump on this earlier with the 767s, unless AC felt it was better to keep the 777 'conversion' freighters flying.

casper Feb 26, 2021 3:34 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9201563)
Seems the cargo planes will have a different livery. Will be interesting to see how good it is.



I have a hard time believing that. Especially when 2017-18-19 wasn't all that stellar for air freight.



Again, I have my doubts. Once the passenger numbers (and therefore belly cargo) starts creeping up and overall cargo capacity starts getting ahead of demand once again, watch them drop those old 767s faster than you can say Milli Vanilli.

I think these all cargo 767s might stick around for 3-5 years, tops. After that, they will be returned to the lessor. Regardless of what Berry is saying, this is purely an opportunistic play. Nothing more. And that opportunity will fade in a few years.

My reading of the article is they are looking at launching a consumer facing "courier" brand using their existing capacity on flights plus their freighters.

My guess is they will be competitor to "DHL" in the Canadian market as a courier with a focus on international. I suspect they would contract with partners for last mile.

Dominion301 Feb 26, 2021 5:35 PM

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Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 9201563)
Seems the cargo planes will have a different livery. Will be interesting to see how good it is.

I would love to see a return of the red cheatline livery with the old DC-8F "XPRESS" titles.

hollywoodcory Feb 26, 2021 6:01 PM

WS has apparently issued layoff notices to another 415 pilots.

Additionally, they have scheduled twice weekly cargo only 787 flights to LGW.

BenYOW Mar 1, 2021 2:39 PM

Air Canada has renegotiated its Capacity Purchase Agreement with Jazz Aviation, which will result in Jazz once again being the sole Air Canada Express operator. Key points include:
  • 25 Embraer 175s transitioning from Sky Regional to Jazz
  • The Dash 8-300 fleet (19 aircraft) being withdrawn from the agreement in 2021
  • Jazz being the exclusive Air Canada Express operator of 70+ seat aircraft until the end of 2025
  • The minimum fleet guarantee of 105 aircraft until 2025 and 80 aircraft from 2026 and beyond being unchanged

Air Canada Press Release
Chorus Aviation Press Release

whatnext Mar 1, 2021 5:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BenYOW (Post 9203790)
Air Canada has renegotiated its Capacity Purchase Agreement with Jazz Aviation, which will result in Jazz once again being the sole Air Canada Express operator. Key points include:
  • 25 Embraer 175s transitioning from Sky Regional to Jazz
  • The Dash 8-300 fleet (19 aircraft) being withdrawn from the agreement in 2021
  • Jazz being the exclusive Air Canada Express operator of 70+ seat aircraft until the end of 2025
  • The minimum fleet guarantee of 105 aircraft until 2025 and 80 aircraft from 2026 and beyond being unchanged

Air Canada Press Release
Chorus Aviation Press Release

Does this mean the end for SkyRegional? Sad to see the DH3 go especially as they had just undergone a service life extension. Does this mean another Tier 3 carrier is going to be subcontracted to provide AC service under 70 seats?

wave46 Mar 1, 2021 5:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenYOW (Post 9203790)
Air Canada has renegotiated its Capacity Purchase Agreement with Jazz Aviation, which will result in Jazz once again being the sole Air Canada Express operator. Key points include:
  • 25 Embraer 175s transitioning from Sky Regional to Jazz
  • The Dash 8-300 fleet (19 aircraft) being withdrawn from the agreement in 2021
  • Jazz being the exclusive Air Canada Express operator of 70+ seat aircraft until the end of 2025
  • The minimum fleet guarantee of 105 aircraft until 2025 and 80 aircraft from 2026 and beyond being unchanged

Air Canada Press Release
Chorus Aviation Press Release

I wonder how close AC is to just buying Jazz outright at this juncture. Like Air New Zealand outright buying its Air New Zealand Link subsidiaries.

I also thought the Dash 8-300s were sticking around longer and being refurbished. I can't imagine the CRJ200s staying too much longer either. It doesn't look good for the <70 seat markets in Canada if AC is fleeing.

Alexcaban Mar 1, 2021 6:47 PM

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Originally Posted by whatnext (Post 9203953)
Does this mean the end for SkyRegional? Sad to see the DH3 go especially as they had just undergone a service life extension. Does this mean another Tier 3 carrier is going to be subcontracted to provide AC service under 70 seats?

Yes the end of sky regional.
They cut to save money so I doubt they’ll contract another carrier

whatnext Mar 1, 2021 8:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wave46 (Post 9203958)
I wonder how close AC is to just buying Jazz outright at this juncture. Like Air New Zealand outright buying its Air New Zealand Link subsidiaries.

I also thought the Dash 8-300s were sticking around longer and being refurbished. I can't imagine the CRJ200s staying too much longer either. It doesn't look good for the <70 seat markets in Canada if AC is fleeing.

If AC wanted to buy Jazz surely they would have done it when their stock was down in $2+change range, not double as it is now.

zahav Mar 2, 2021 5:20 AM

*delete*

SignalHillHiker Mar 2, 2021 12:41 PM

Obscenely loud plane in St. John's this morning. Even over the blizzard, it was roaring.

https://i.postimg.cc/RCGPS0Xx/1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/xTC6cS4J/2.png

Same plane type:

Video Link

wave46 Mar 2, 2021 1:47 PM

The fun thing about that video is that it looks like the props are barely turning as it takes off, simply because of how video camera work.

Cool to have a rare visitor to YYT.

Dominion301 Mar 2, 2021 2:28 PM

The following comes as no surprise. Porter have once again pushed back their re-start date. New target date is May 19...just in time for the May long weekend.

https://www.cp24.com/news/porter-air...y-19-1.5328529


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