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MonctonRad Nov 14, 2018 7:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpongeG (Post 8379399)
where is yhz? hamilton?

YHZ = Halifax.

This is the third major crash (hull loss) at the airport in 14 years. One of the other ones was also a 747 cargo jet (no survivors). The other was an Air Canada passenger jet the other year that "landed" short of the runway. Since that plane ultimately ended up on the runway (after bouncing a few times), Air Canada euphemistically called that incident a "hard landing". :rolleyes:

Coldrsx Nov 14, 2018 8:09 PM

Chinese logistics firm to build hub at EIA, boosting North America-China trade
Wednesday, November 14, 2018
EHL International Logistics Co. expansion bolsters EIA’s international trade hub status, spurring new jobs and export/import opportunities for Alberta businesses

(Edmonton, AB) – EHL International Logistics Co. and Edmonton International Airport (EIA) signed an agreement on Nov. 9, 2018 in Shanghai, China, making the airport EHL’s new North American logistics consolidation centre for goods, including e-commerce, moving between China and North America. The deal will generate many new jobs for the Edmonton Metro Region and significantly increase real-time access to global markets for small- and medium-size businesses across the region, Alberta and Canada.

EHL, a subsidiary of the Henan Provincial Government, will operate its North American flights from Zhengzhou, Henan to Edmonton, and continue to the US mainland. Trial 747-400 flights through Edmonton are already underway, in preparation for an expanded freighter schedule.

http://corporate.flyeia.com/news/chi...ca-china-trade

LeftCoaster Nov 14, 2018 8:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denscity (Post 8379209)
Nope don't think the Bucharest flight is even close to the Beijing one haha. But this was a Toronto to huge Indian city change over to a Vancouver to huge Indian city.

I was curious after your comment about this and crunched some numbers. Surprisingly YVR's top 10, though still smaller, stack up quite well to YYZ's top 10.

It's the breadth and depth of YYZs destinations that really propel it to the next level. While YVRs top 10 destinations account for 65% of its total longhaul seats, YYZs only account for 46%.

YYZ
https://i.imgur.com/wihzK2j.png

YVR
https://i.imgur.com/KH3YrxK.png

So as you can see YYZs largest long haul destinations are on the whole bigger than YVRs but on several cases, such as Hong Kong or Shanghai, YVRs has higher numbers.

What really surprised me from this is the low service levels from Toronto to several major Asian hubs. Tokyo, Taipei and Seoul in particular don't even crack the top 10 while being some of the most important airports in the world. Looks like a lot of opportunity there to me.

Denscity Nov 14, 2018 8:28 PM

Ah interesting comparison LC! My two cents:

Per capita flights to London are equal
Vancouver’s second place flight is larger
And yes you’re right flights to Asia are larger from Vancouver

Gresto Nov 14, 2018 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorontoDrew (Post 8379226)
That's an old looking plane, glad nobody was killed and the the Lobsters got to their destination alright.

Not old. Put into service in 1997.

thenoflyzone Nov 15, 2018 12:39 AM

Corsair expanding service on seasonal ORY-YUL.

Quote:

Present for 13 years on Canada as a regular operator, Corsair extends its service period to Paris for the 2019 summer season, starting flights from April 20th to the end of October.

With a great success over the summer of 2018 with an excellent filling rate of 95%, Corsair expands its service period on the Montreal / Paris line.

The company will serve Paris-Orly, from the end of April to the end of October 2019, for 6 months, unlike the summer of 2018 when Corsair was present for a little over 3 months.
http://pagtour.info/corsair-elargit-...ontreal-paris/

Also, Qatar Airways is increasing DOH-YUL by 1x weekly, for a total of 4x weekly, as of December 2018.

Quote:

Qatar Airways will introduce an additional weekly flight to its popular Doha - Montreal route from 17 December 2018, providing even more flexibility for both business and leisure passengers travelling to and from the Canadian city.

The additional service will be operated by the airline’s flagship Boeing 777 aircraft, taking the route to four-times-weekly, with flights scheduled for Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Sunday.
https://ftnnews.com/aviation/35573-q...ha-to-montreal

nname Nov 15, 2018 7:42 AM

AC Rouge changes since... the last update about 2 months ago...?

Code:

@AC 1600-1989
AC 1680 YYJ-YYZ 321->763
AC 1684 YYJ-YUL 257->14567
AC 1694 YLW-YYZ 319->321
AC 1696 YXX-YYZ 24567->23456
AC 1714 YYZ-BGI 319->321
AC 1802 YYZ-KIN x7->D
AC 1806 YYZ-SJO 7->36
AC 1816 YYZ-NAS x2->D
AC 1880 YYZ-POS 26->25
AC 1882 YUL-CUN D->13567, 319->763
AC 1884 YUL-CUN Cancelled
AC 1940 YVR-DUB Cancelled
AC 1968 YYZ-ZAG 2346->1246
AC 1974 YCD-YYZ 1357->12357
AC 1976 YKA-YYZ 246->4
AC 1980 YYZ-MEX 763->319
AC 1986 YUL-PUJ 14567->D


thenoflyzone Nov 15, 2018 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8380148)
AC 1684 YYJ-YUL 257->14567

:tup:

Great to see this flight performing well.

chris Nov 15, 2018 3:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nname (Post 8380148)
AC Rouge changes since... the last update about 2 months ago...?

Code:

@AC 1600-1989
AC 1680 YYJ-YYZ 321->763
AC 1684 YYJ-YUL 257->14567
AC 1694 YLW-YYZ 319->321
AC 1696 YXX-YYZ 24567->23456
AC 1714 YYZ-BGI 319->321
AC 1802 YYZ-KIN x7->D
AC 1806 YYZ-SJO 7->36
AC 1816 YYZ-NAS x2->D
AC 1880 YYZ-POS 26->25
AC 1882 YUL-CUN D->13567, 319->763
AC 1884 YUL-CUN Cancelled
AC 1940 YVR-DUB Cancelled
AC 1968 YYZ-ZAG 2346->1246
AC 1974 YCD-YYZ 1357->12357
AC 1976 YKA-YYZ 246->4
AC 1980 YYZ-MEX 763->319
AC 1986 YUL-PUJ 14567->D


I see YKA is getting a pretty major downgrade.

Speaking of Western Canadian airports, any chance we'll see YYZ-YQU or YYZ-YQL?

YYCguys Nov 15, 2018 3:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris (Post 8380320)
I see YKA is getting a pretty major downgrade.

Speaking of Western Canadian airports, any chance we'll see YYZ-YQU or YYZ-YQL?

Does the YQL runway have the take off/landing capability to handle a jet from/to that distance?

DrNest Nov 15, 2018 3:51 PM

CYQU has a 8,500ft runway, that certainly is long enough.
CYQL longest is around 6,500. I would say that would be near the limits, but could see an A319 operating there.

Bourkky Nov 15, 2018 5:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone (Post 8379840)
Also, Qatar Airways is increasing DOH-YUL by 1x weekly, for a total of 4x weekly, as of December 2018.



https://ftnnews.com/aviation/35573-q...ha-to-montreal

I thought they were only allowed 3 weekly for passengers and 1 weekly for cargo to Canada. Did I miss something?

whatnext Nov 15, 2018 8:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeftCoaster (Post 8378260)
Viking Air? The little company from Victoria??

Just to clarify, Viking Air's parent company did buy the Q400 program from Bombardier last week:

Longview Aviation Capital acquires Dash 8/Q400 programme from Bombardier

Canadian aircraft manufacturer Longview Aviation Capital Corp., parent company to Viking Air Ltd, has agreed to acquire, through an affiliate, the entire Dash 8 programme including the 100, 200 and 300 series and the in-production Q400 programme from Bombardier Inc..


https://www.adsadvance.co.uk/longvie...ombardier.html

thenoflyzone Nov 15, 2018 8:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bourkky (Post 8380500)
I thought they were only allowed 3 weekly for passengers and 1 weekly for cargo to Canada. Did I miss something?

I believe it was 3x weekly pax and 3x weekly cargo.

Qatar and Canada expanded their bilateral agreement earlier this year. They most likely got the rights for additional service.

TorontoDrew Nov 15, 2018 9:51 PM

Halifax (Halifax Stanfield International Airport) to be exact.

chris Nov 15, 2018 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrNest (Post 8380345)
CYQU has a 8,500ft frunway, that certainly is long enough.
CYQL longest is around 6,500. I would say that would be near the limits, but could see an A319 operating there.

If we use YCD's runway as an example, 6,500 feet should be enough.

DrNest Nov 17, 2018 4:52 PM

6,500ft certainly is long enough for medium jets to operate from, heck CYTZ and CYOO have business jets flying out with around 4,000ft of runway. However to fly to CYYZ or CYUL from B.C. I'd suspect a jet would need much longer. Hence suggesting 6,500ft would be at the limit for a passenger jet.

I get the comparison with CYCD's runway, but as far as I know there aren't scheduled flights to Pearson or Trudeau from there.

Denscity Nov 17, 2018 5:08 PM

YCG’s runway is 5300 feet long and used to host 737s and the loud CP Air MDs back in the day. Perhaps the smallest version but still hosted jets for decades.

craneSpotter Nov 17, 2018 6:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrNest (Post 8382622)
6,500ft certainly is long enough for medium jets to operate from, heck CYTZ and CYOO have business jets flying out with around 4,000ft of runway. However to fly to CYYZ or CYUL from B.C. I'd suspect a jet would need much longer. Hence suggesting 6,500ft would be at the limit for a passenger jet.

I get the comparison with CYCD's runway, but as far as I know there aren't scheduled flights to Pearson or Trudeau from there.

Air Canada Rouge is operating seasonal non-stop service from YCD to YYZ from June to October, 4x per week. They are using an Airbus A319, which requires 3000-5000' of runway at mean sea level under ideal conditions (dry/little wind) - depending on load - ie 5000' is with maximum load.. Interesting that a 787-8 requires a similar runway length (B787-8 / 4,400ft - 5,000ft - MLW).

Rule of thumb - IIRC - is that an aircraft requires ~7% more runway length for each 1000' (~300m) rise in elevation from mean sea level.

DrNest Nov 17, 2018 9:24 PM

Airbus-Commercial-Aircraft-AC-A319-Feb18.pdf

Have a look at Chapter 3, around page 2-3. An empty A319 requires a minimum of 4000ft runway. Any significant payload will require a minimum of 6000ft.

There seems to be some confusion with my point. I'm not saying an A319 can't use a runway shorter than 6000ft, just it's unlikely for an airline to schedule into one if they want any meaningful passenger count for anything shorter.


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